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I will say this might have been the most complete games we had all season. The offense moved the ball all game. Only two 3 and outs. Defense was pretty good. They contained Lamar on 6 of his runs.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1261393]I will say this might have been the most complete games we had all season. The offense moved the ball all game. Only two 3 and outs. Defense was pretty good. They contained Lamar on 6 of his runs.[/quote]

We need to eliminate mistakes...fumbling deep in territory, missing field goals, missed tackles on critical plays (Landon Collins clear shot Lamar TD run), letting them convert special teams trick play...

Compound that on a QB still learning the game...it’s too much to overcome

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Mixed feelings about Haskins.
No big mistakes and some nice throw. But it felt like the mediocre plays were really ugly. Mechanics and accuracy is an issue.

Still see no point in benching him.

Overall this game was what we thought it'd be. Loss to a far better team.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1261352]Ron Rivera said bluntly that he wanted to see what Dwayne Haskins would do if they went for it on 4th and goal. He said Haskins needs to learn and understand the situation. He needed to look into the endzone or put it close to where a player could make a player at the goal line.

Lake Lewis[/QUOTE]That's fine but I think we can start to see effect of this "it's a process" mode:

After that 4th and goal play the defense got GASHED in the middle on run plays... and I wonder if they'd have play differently had Ron chosed to take the 3 points and make it a 2 possessions game.

Difficult to ask guys to play hard every down when we're not trying to win the game... makes it difficult to grade the D on that game IMO.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1261396]That's fine but I think we can start to see effect of this "it's a process" mode:

After that 4th and goal play the defense got GASHED in the middle on run plays... and I wonder if they'd have play differently had Ron chosed to take the 3 points and make it a 2 possessions game.

Difficult to ask guys to play hard every down when we're not trying to win the game... makes it difficult to grade the D on that game IMO.

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I thought the front 7 defense played better against mobile QB this time, they looked a little bit more aggressive in containing Jackson than they did in the Cardinals game with Murray. The secondary is a different story.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1261399]I thought the front 7 defense played better against mobile QB this time, they looked a little bit more aggressive in containing Jackson than they did in the Cardinals game with Murray. The secondary is a different story.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

It's realy weird, we clearly had an ugly loss to a far better team... but I didn't think the Ravens looked truly dominant.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1261401]Agreed.

It's realy weird, we clearly had an ugly loss to a far better team... but I didn't think the Ravens looked truly dominant.

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The loss isn't that ugly, compared to last week. Ravens is a good team but isn't the team to beat - once you stop their running game, you have a good chance of winning the game.

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[quote=rocnrik;1261383]I said the very same thing leading up to draft ... without a QB you ain’t got nothing ... As great a prospect as Young is I wanted team to trade out of that spot and get a QB AND another player of need ... OL ,TE , .. it’s water over the damn now... we need a QB !![/quote]

This. QB over any position. Taking Tua would have been a huge risk, but if I were the GM of the Redskins I would have taken that risk- and hoped Tua would get past the injury bug.

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One thing I’ll say, Gibson and Terry are growing in the offense. Gibson looks legit.

Also, I’m officially good with not paying Schreff. The guy we have starting is playing just as well. Moses too has returned to form as a solid RT. Our oline is growing and have been better, still like to see Charles challenge at LT and think Wes Martin is the weaklink

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Grades from yesterday

Gibson = 83.8
Terry = 80.7
Dwayne = 76.3
Moses = 73 (Our best Lineman)

Fuller = 86.5
Davis Sr. = 73.1

Pass rush grade is shit

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[quote=Chico23231;1261419]One thing I’ll say, Gibson and Terry are growing in the offense. Gibson looks legit.

Also, I’m officially good with not paying Schreff. The guy we have starting is playing just as well. Moses too has returned to form as a solid RT. Our oline is growing and have been better, still like to see Charles challenge at LT and think Wes Martin is the weaklink[/quote]

There is no way you give Schreff top guard money. He simply isn't worth it. He isn't a complete enough player. Great on the screens and pulling, garbage af in pass blocking.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1261420]Grades from yesterday

Gibson = 83.8
Terry = 80.7
Dwayne = 76.3
Moses = 73 (Our best Lineman)

Fuller = 86.5
[B]Davis Sr. = 73.1
[/B]
Pass rush grade is shit[/quote]

He played ? Didn't notice him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1261419]One thing I’ll say, Gibson and Terry are growing in the offense. Gibson looks legit.

Also, I’m officially good with not paying Schreff. [B]The guy we have starting is playing just as well[/B]. Moses too has returned to form as a solid RT. Our oline is growing and have been better, still like to see Charles challenge at LT and think Wes Martin is the weaklink[/quote]

Yeah I definitely think Schweitzer has been playing quite well. Never saw him getting embarrassed and he's making some nice second level blocks.

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RR said in his presser that all the screes and slip screens are predicated on the D personnel showing pass rush. Said 50% or so of the screens went for 5 yds or more yesterday.

On Haskins 18 yard sack loss, he said Haskins has to check down or throw it away.

90% of the questions were repeative in nature about his cancer treatment. No one asked about Haskins throwing it 10 yards short of the goal line on 4th and goal.

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[quote=Chico23231;1261419]One thing I’ll say, Gibson and Terry are growing in the offense. Gibson looks legit.

Also, I’m officially good with not paying Schreff. The guy we have starting is playing just as well. Moses too has returned to form as a solid RT. Our oline is growing and have been better, still like to see Charles challenge at LT and think Wes Martin is the weaklink[/quote]

Agreed with all of your points. We would be likely to receive a 3rd or 4th round compensation pick if we let Scherff walk away so that is a bonus if we decide to do that.

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[quote=SunnySide;1261430]RR said in his presser that all the screes and slip screens are predicated on the D personnel showing pass rush. Said 50% or so of the screens went for 5 yds or more yesterday.

On Haskins 18 yard sack loss, he said Haskins has to check down or throw it away.

90% of the questions were repeative in nature about his cancer treatment. [B]No one asked about Haskins throwing it 10 yards short of the goal line on 4th and goal[/B].[/quote]

He was asked that by London Fletcher (maybe not in the presser), his answer [URL="https://theteam980.com/the-kevin-sheehan-show/"](21:50 of Sheehan's Pod's Hour 2)[/URL]:

"Honestly my mindset at this point was situational awareness, I wanted to see what he was gonna do, and how he was gonna react. I truly did. Scott asked me and I said "no let see how he handles it" and Scotty told him "hey you gotta put this ball into the endzone or in position to go into the endzone" ... said it was part of the "maturation process".

As Sheehan said, this make NO sense, zero : You're going to test his situational awareness in game rather than at practice... and you're going to give him the answer before the test ?

I'm starting to get the feeling Rivera is putting Haskins on the spot. He's making him look bad so at some point he can go to the owner and say "look, I know you want him to play, but look how bad he is, I can't do it with him"...

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[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/10/5/21502422/ron-rivera-presser-sometimes-landon-collins-performs-outside-the-scheme-because-hes-pushing"]Per Rivera[/URL], Collins sometimes don't follow his assigned responsibilities because he was trying to make some plays.. At this point, Collins is boom or bust, which is not something I want on our defense. Release Collins after this season!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1261443]He was asked that by London Fletcher (maybe not in the presser), his answer [URL="https://theteam980.com/the-kevin-sheehan-show/"](21:50 of Sheehan's Pod's Hour 2)[/URL]:

"Honestly my mindset at this point was situational awareness, I wanted to see what he was gonna do, and how he was gonna react. I truly did. Scott asked me and I said "no let see how he handles it" and Scotty told him "hey you gotta put this ball into the endzone or in position to go into the endzone" ... said it was part of the "maturation process".

As Sheehan said, this make NO sense, zero : You're going to test his situational awareness in game rather than at practice... and you're going to give him the answer before the test ?

I'm starting to get the feeling Rivera is putting Haskins on the spot. He's making him look bad so at some point he can go to the owner and say "look, I know you want him to play, but look how bad he is, I can't do it with him"...[/quote]

Sure doesn't sound like he's coaching to win the game. I loved the hire but I'm finding myself more and more wondering what the F Rivera is doing. What he says to the media doesn't match up with what we're seeing on the field.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1261449]Sure doesn't sound like he's coaching to win the game. I loved the hire but I'm finding myself more and more wondering what the F Rivera is doing. What he says to the media doesn't match up with what we're seeing on the field.[/QUOTE]Same here. Still willing to believe in the culture change and all but...

And I disagree. In a way some of what we see and some of what we hear does match: it both doesn't make sense.

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[quote=MTK;1261449]Sure doesn't sound like he's coaching to win the game. I loved the hire but I'm finding myself more and more wondering what the F Rivera is doing. What he says to the media doesn't match up with what we're seeing on the field.[/quote]

I wonder how much his cancer treatment is in play here. He looked worn out on the field yesterday. My buddy battled through cancer last year and he said the treatments made him feel like he had the worst hang over in the world; he sit in a dark room all day trying to recover. RR has got be feeling pretty bad these days I can’t imagine trying to endure a nfl head coach position under what his body is going through.

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2013 (3 wins) and 2014 (4 wins) our high first round draft picks went to the Rams.

2015 to 2018 we averaged 7-9 wins a season. We were in mediocrity purgatory. Always getting mid round picks.

2019 (3 wins) we won the Chase Young sweepstakes

2020 is an evaluation year for us that should net us another top 5 high impact pick.

2021 and beyond is go time.

----------------

We are right on schedule.

If we can add some legit pieces in FA, I honestly think we look to add a vet QB and make a real SB push from 2021 to 2024 range. I dont know if I want to be forced to go through growing pains of another rookie QB during 2021 and beyond when everything else around the QB position is built to win now.

Theres a plan.

We are just on step 1.

Step 1 is not fun.

I am 100% fine with that.

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[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor[/url]

The Athletics Mark Bullock twitter feed is a must read ... breaks down individual plays with film and diagrams. Easy to digest and understand.

KPL is playing real well in coverage for a LB imo. I would look to resign him for a few years, hes only on a 1 yr/3M deal with us.

On the Andrews 1st td, Apke should have read the play better and covered Andrews.

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I’m NOT defending Haskins because I think we need to draft a QB with our first round pick in 2021. But that means Dwayne will be our backup QB next year (unless we can trade him). Either scenario - trading him or as our backup means he needs to gain experience and confidence. Right now HASKINS has a QB rating of 80. Same as Allen was at Carolina in 2018. Haskins has three pathways: trade bait next season, backup to our rookie QB or perhaps (very low probability) exploding upwards to be our franchise QB. That means he needs to play!

With our lack of offensive weapons at TE and anyone not named McLaurin at WR, Allen can’t in win games for us:

Steve Sims JR - low prediction in our first games and now hurt. Disappointing!
Inman - journeyman WR. Better than Sims JR but not the future.
Cam Sims - third year and last chance. Caught a couple this game but needs to step it up!
Wright - better than Cam Sims and starting to hear his name
Thomas- another journeyman TE. Ok as a backup TE, but we need a stud TE at #1.

Gibson- breaking it open as a running back and receiver! He is the FUTURE!

Golden - who?


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[quote=Warthog;1261459]I’m NOT defending Haskins because I think we need to draft a QB with our first round pick in 2021. But that means Dwayne will be our backup QB next year (unless we can trade him). Either scenario - trading him or as our backup means he needs to gain experience and confidence. Right now HASKINS has a QB rating of 80. Same as Allen was at Carolina in 2018. Haskins has three pathways: trade bait next season, backup to our rookie QB or perhaps (very low probability) exploding upwards to be our franchise QB. That means he needs to play!

With our lack of offensive weapons at TE and anyone not named McLaurin at WR, Allen can’t in win games for us:

Steve Sims JR - low prediction in our first games and now hurt. Disappointing!
Inman - journeyman WR. Better than Sims JR but not the future.
Cam Sims - third year and last chance. Caught a couple this game but needs to step it up!
Wright - better than Cam Sims and starting to hear his name
Thomas- another journeyman TE. Ok as a backup TE, but we need a stud TE at #1.

Gibson- breaking it open as a running back and receiver! He is the FUTURE!

Golden - who?


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There is no way in hell we could trade Haskins. Look at what happened with Rosen last year.

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[quote=SunnySide;1261324]I don't think it's the coaches not trusting him ... i don't think Haskins has the ability to read a defense, anticipate and throw a ball to a space

He needs to see his guy open before he throws it[/quote]
We said the exact same thing about RGIII.

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Watched offensive snaps on the All 22, one thing that jumped out was how good Oline played. On pass protect it was really good, couple of pressions but really not much, and also some where Haskins could've avoided it simply by moving up the pocket a bit.

Schweitzer is playing really well, Martin is getting there, not very agressive in the run game but did the job in pass pro IMO. Even Christian didn't get embarrassed that much.

[URL="https://thekevinsheehanshow.com/2020/10/06/cooley-film-nfcs-best/"]Cooley gave Haskins a C- [/URL]
I think it's about it, left some guys open downfield... but really not as much as you would think. Some nice plays, some misread, some pre-snap mistakes, some not letting the play develop while not being under pressure... C- sounds right.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1261543]Watched offensive snaps on the All 22, one thing that jumped out was how good Oline played. On pass protect it was really good, couple of pressions but really not much, and also some where Haskins could've avoided it simply by moving up the pocket a bit.

Schweitzer is playing really well, Martin is getting there, not very agressive in the run game but did the job in pass pro IMO. Even Christian didn't get embarrassed that much.

[URL="https://thekevinsheehanshow.com/2020/10/06/cooley-film-nfcs-best/"]Cooley gave Haskins a C- [/URL]
I think it's about it, left some guys open downfield... but really not as much as you would think. Some nice plays, some misread, some pre-snap mistakes, some not letting the play develop while not being under pressure... C- sounds right.[/quote]

My big question...Schweitzer is no question Much more talented than Wes Martin...why didn’t Ron start Schweitzer and Schreff your starting Guard combo?


??????? What are we doing?

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[quote=Chico23231;1261544]My big question...Schweitzer is no question Much more talented than Wes Martin...why didn’t Ron start Schweitzer and Schreff your starting Guard combo?


??????? What are we doing?[/quote]

Well, I was going to say maybe he's way more confortable playing RG than LG... but he did play LG for the Falcons when they needed to...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1261546]Well, I was going to say maybe he's way more confortable playing RG than LG... but he did play LG for the Falcons when they needed to...[/quote]

Cooley review...Wes Martin still struggling.

I want to see this Oline :

Charles-Sweizter-roullier-Schreff-Moses

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[quote=Chico23231;1261544]My big question...Schweitzer is no question Much more talented than Wes Martin...why didn’t Ron start Schweitzer and Schreff your starting Guard combo?


??????? What are we doing?[/quote]

I remember Schweitz was injured/limited for a bit in training camp but I dont remember for how long.

Seeing how easy it is to find Gs in FA and mid to late round drafts ... I never want to pay over 10M per or spend a 1st round pick on a guard.

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[quote=SunnySide;1261553]I remember Schweitz was injured/limited for a bit in training camp but I dont remember for how long.

Seeing how easy it is to find Gs in FA and mid to late round drafts ... I never want to pay over 10M per or spend a 1st round pick on a guard.[/quote]

Yup...he was banged up early.

Cooley gave Wes Schweitzer an A- grade this week. I like him

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Fabian Moreau [URL="https://washingtonfootballwire.usatoday.com/2020/10/05/whats-the-deal-with-fabian-moreau-and-why-isnt-he-playing-anymore/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=NFLdraftmaverickKailaMike&fbclid=IwAR3uxv3buvN7cfjcC5hiiDBV04kpI6-SkUfRTWejrDlaCHPoP6qP3WK3DIc"]had 0 defensive snaps[/URL] last week. Assuming he's healthy that's a red flag for his standing on the depth chart.

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[quote=mooby;1261569]Fabian Moreau [URL="https://washingtonfootballwire.usatoday.com/2020/10/05/whats-the-deal-with-fabian-moreau-and-why-isnt-he-playing-anymore/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=NFLdraftmaverickKailaMike&fbclid=IwAR3uxv3buvN7cfjcC5hiiDBV04kpI6-SkUfRTWejrDlaCHPoP6qP3WK3DIc"]had 0 defensive snaps[/URL] last week. Assuming he's healthy that's a red flag for his standing on the depth chart.[/quote]

Two weeks running now.

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Looking at his weekly snap count it is 31, 41, 0, 0.

I don't remember him looking particularly bad in the first 2 games or reading any criticism of him but he clearly hasn't impressed defensive coaches.

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Wow thats crazy. I imagine Fuller back means its Fuller, Darby, Moreland, Moreau in that order. But in dime packages, its Curl who takes the field and not Moreau.

Well ... at least we are getting looks and making decisions on guys. For better or worse.

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RG3 got WRECKED by Payne.

(right at 1:00)

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[QUOTE=davy;1261571]Looking at his weekly snap count it is 31, 41, 0, 0.



I don't remember him looking particularly bad in the first 2 games or reading any criticism of him but he clearly hasn't impressed defensive coaches.[/QUOTE]Cooley did call him out in his week 2 filmbreakdown, even predicted Moreau's play time would decrease.

Curl playing lights out has to factor in too..

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Curl has been a really nice find.

I'm liking what we're seeing from Isiah Wright at WR too

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[QUOTE=MTK;1261680]Curl has been a really nice find.

I'm liking what we're seeing from Isiah Wright at WR too[/QUOTE]


I agree, Wright has moved up to perhaps fill Harmon’s spot. I want to see how much he can improve with more playing time.

The other surprises is how weakly Steve Sims, Jr and Inman are doing compared to McLaurin. McLaurin has 387 yds while Sims, Jr is at 103 yds (3 games) and Inman has 105 yds. Neither Sims, Jr nor Inman are pulling their weight! Mc Laurie is just a stud but he’s carrying the receiving duties by himself. Maybe Wright can move up to fill the gap!




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[quote=Warthog;1261722]I agree, Wright has moved up to perhaps fill Harmon’s spot. I want to see how much he can improve with more playing time.

The other surprises is how weakly Steve Sims, Jr and Inman are doing compared to McLaurin. McLaurin has 387 yds while Sims, Jr is at 103 yds (3 games) and Inman has 105 yds. Neither Sims, Jr nor Inman are pulling their weight! Mc Laurie is just a stud but he’s carrying the receiving duties by himself. Maybe Wright can move up to fill the gap!




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Sims hasn't played in two weeks. I agree on Inman, he's a JAG.