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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/dwayne-haskins-sam-darnold-sports-junkies-say-heartbeat?fbclid=IwAR1GdpMBOptMvYWo9NCAsBDib0DPfq06OtC5AwfzgK3NqnsMtkU3-W8pp9I[/url]

I don't want Darnold though

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1263851][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/dwayne-haskins-sam-darnold-sports-junkies-say-heartbeat?fbclid=IwAR1GdpMBOptMvYWo9NCAsBDib0DPfq06OtC5AwfzgK3NqnsMtkU3-W8pp9I[/url]

I don't want Darnold though[/quote]

If it was a straight swap this week I'd do it. Give us a look at Darnold and see if he is actually another victim of Gase or actually capable of being a franchise level QB. Jets would be no worse off than they are now and they'd have a guy to back up whoever they draft next year. Never know, the NY market might entice Haskins to get his head out of his rear end. But I certainly wouldn't offer him with a #2 for Darnold; too many unknowns.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1263851][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/dwayne-haskins-sam-darnold-sports-junkies-say-heartbeat?fbclid=IwAR1GdpMBOptMvYWo9NCAsBDib0DPfq06OtC5AwfzgK3NqnsMtkU3-W8pp9I[/url]

I don't want Darnold though[/quote]

It would be a no brainer...Darnold needs a change of scenery

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Darnold would be a hard pass from me. Why would the Jets make that move anyway?

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I don't see Darnold's ceiling being much higher than Allen's really...he's going to give you turnovers as well...so no need to give up a 2nd when we already have that guy. Listening to Kevin and Cooley...they think as long as Allen can be serviceable, they'll roll with him and keep building the team...which I agree with.

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I did not see Darnold being this bad. I thought he was going to at least be a 10-15 rank QB like Matt Stafford/Carson Palmer type.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1263859]Darnold would be a hard pass from me. Why would the Jets make that move anyway?[/QUOTE]



To assure themselves Lawrence....

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The Jets are 100% taking Lawrence so they could care less about Darnold

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1263895]The Jets are 100% taking Lawrence so they could care less about Darnold[/QUOTE]



But leaving Darnold in over say Haskins makes them better. They could play the “we have seen enough of Sam and want to see about DH card” but really it would be a straight tank.
There are some 1 loss teams that are really bad, and going winless isn’t as easy as it sounds. Lol. They wanna assure the first pick , make that trade. If DH couldn’t win with us he aint winning with the Jets...

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There are those who think Haskins got a raw deal here and has had no support and will thrive elsewhere.. so if that’s the case then why can’t the same be said for Darnold? If we win 5-6 games we are not gonna get a high pick QB .. I’m not sure RR wants to go that route anyway .. so at that point we draft OL,WR, TE and bring in somebody like Darnold to compete with Kyle .. my plan was to lose out and draft Lawrence .. this team may catch a spark and surprise us .. 6 more wins and we can win division ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1263908]There are those who think Haskins got a raw deal here and has had no support and will thrive elsewhere.. so if that’s the case then why can’t the same be said for Darnold? If we win 5-6 games we are not gonna get a high pick QB .. I’m not sure RR wants to go that route anyway .. so at that point we draft OL,WR, TE and bring in somebody like Darnold to compete with Kyle .. my plan was to lose out and draft Lawrence .. this team may catch a spark and surprise us .. 6 more wins and we can win division ..[/quote]

I'd trade Haskins and the worse of our 2 3rd round picks, and take a flier on Darnold. Haskins is done here. That ship has sailed. At this point Haskins isn't an asset of any kind. Basically it would be the pick we got for Trent for a flier on Darnold.

I'd also be perfectly happy keeping all the picks and getting a bunch of young cheap contracts.

Basically, at most I'd trade our 2nd 3rd round pick for Darnold, and if that's not the best option for the Jets, we keep all of our current picks.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1263920]I'd trade Haskins and the worse of our 2 3rd round picks, and take a flier on Darnold. Haskins is done here. That ship has sailed. At this point Haskins isn't an asset of any kind. Basically it would be the pick we got for Trent for a flier on Darnold.

I'd also be perfectly happy keeping all the picks and getting a bunch of young cheap contracts.

Basically, at most I'd trade our 2nd 3rd round pick for Darnold, and if that's not the best option for the Jets, we keep all of our current picks.[/quote]

You would trade a 3rd rounder Darnold?

sfok, normally I respect your football opinions, but you're smoking crack on this one. Why give up a 3rd rounder now when you can get him for nothing in the offseason?

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I agree with Mooby; as I posted earlier a straight swap makes sense for WFT, but a pick doesn't as he wouldn't offer enough mid season to be value for it. Its not like he'd make us SB contenders over night, given our other big gaps.

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[quote=Chico23231;1263858]It would be a no brainer...Darnold needs a change of scenery[/quote]

They both do. I'd do this as a one-for-one deal.

We could maybe salvage some value from that draft picks we used for Haskins...and the Jets could start him and GUARANTEE they get Trevor.

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Maybe I'm just overthinking about Rivera's statement but it seems like the team is planning on keeping Kerrigan in his current role for [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-impressed-ryan-kerrigans-handling-new-role"]next few years[/URL]? I wouldn't oppose this move, unless someone comes in with an amazing offer for Kerrigan which is unlikely. Kerrigan has been pretty much a great player since day 1 and he has great work ethics, which should rub off onto Young and Sweat.

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[quote=GridIron26;1263945]Maybe I'm just overthinking about Rivera's statement but it seems like the team is planning on keeping Kerrigan in his current role for [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-impressed-ryan-kerrigans-handling-new-role"]next few years[/URL]? I wouldn't oppose this move, unless someone comes in with an amazing offer for Kerrigan which is unlikely. Kerrigan has been pretty much a great player since day 1 and he has great work ethics, which should rub off onto Young and Sweat.[/quote]

Keep him or trade him for a great offer, either way I'm happy. It's a bonus having a quality vet like Kerrigan as a backup who can still get snaps and even be prepared in case of injury. And to not have any ego about being the backup? That's a coach's dream.

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[quote=GridIron26;1263945]Maybe I'm just overthinking about Rivera's statement but it seems like the team is planning on keeping Kerrigan in his current role for [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-impressed-ryan-kerrigans-handling-new-role"]next few years[/URL]? I wouldn't oppose this move, unless someone comes in with an amazing offer for Kerrigan which is unlikely. Kerrigan has been pretty much a great player since day 1 and he has great work ethics, which should rub off onto Young and Sweat.[/quote]

That is what he's supposed to say. I think Kerrigan and Anderson are on the trading block though - if they get the right offer(s). Just as most of us expected.

[url]https://sportzbonanza.com/washingtons-ryan-kerrigan-and-ryan-anderson-reportedly-available-for-trade/[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1263931]You would trade a 3rd rounder Darnold?

sfok, normally I respect your football opinions, but you're smoking crack on this one. Why give up a 3rd rounder now when you can get him for nothing in the offseason?[/quote]

There is no guarantee you can get him for nothing. Yeah, I'd trade a mid to late 3rd rounder, for a potential young QB.

I'm not saying they have to or should make that trade, but I'd be OK with it if they did make that trade. Anything more than that is a hard pass.

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[quote=punch it in;1263894]To assure themselves Lawrence....[/quote]

Ok but why would they want Haskins?

I don't see Haskins having much trade value. I'm sure someone will give him a shot as a free agent, but in a trade especially to a team like the Jets that is going to be blowing up their coaching staff after the season? Again, makes zero sense.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1263956]There is no guarantee you can get him for nothing. Yeah, I'd trade a mid to late 3rd rounder, for a potential young QB.

I'm not saying they have to or should make that trade, but I'd be OK with it if they did make that trade. Anything more than that is a hard pass.[/quote]

I'd rather them take their chances on a young QB in the 2021 draft.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1263959]I'd rather them take their chances on a young QB in the 2021 draft.[/quote]

Me too. Again, I'm not recommending this trade as the best course of action. But if they were to do it, that is where I'd stand on what I would be agreeable with in terms of return compensation.

I'd even be OK with not drafting a QB at all and getting someone like Sewell from Oregon and building up the rest of the roster. We can build a team and use Kyle as a placeholder for another season.

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Well, I think they will have to go QB one way or another. Hopefully the opportunity presents itself to get a young QB they really like in the draft. Kyle is on a 1-year contract, so you'll have to resign him if he's your placeholder for another year. We'll see how he fares the rest of the season, as to whether there would be much competition to do that.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1263958]Ok but why would they want Haskins?



I don't see Haskins having much trade value. I'm sure someone will give him a shot as a free agent, but in a trade especially to a team like the Jets that is going to be blowing up their coaching staff after the season? Again, makes zero sense.[/QUOTE]



They don’t want Haskins, and they are giving up nothing except another bad quarterback. Haskins is just a more secure road to Trevor.
It is just a tank move dressed up as a desperation move to right the ship. They don’t want to right the ship though. Darnold might actually win a game or two. Haskins actually makes them worse.

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Nobody tanks in the NFL, can we just stop with that baloney already.

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Sure we can dress it up and call it evaluation....

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Seahawks may be interested in Anderson and Hollister could be on his way out (cap casualty). Straight swap?

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[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30235462/source-ryan-kerrigan-requested-trade-washington-football-team-deal-veteran-de%3fplatform=amp[/url]

Kerrigan wants out.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Washington DE Ryan Kerrigan has requested a trade but Washington has told teams they won't be moving him. Kerrigan has only played on more than half of Washington's defensive snaps twice this year and the team only listed him as a starter once.

Wow so looks like we will mishandle this even with Rivera here. Things not changing folks.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1264033]ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Washington DE Ryan Kerrigan has requested a trade but Washington has told teams they won't be moving him. Kerrigan has only played on more than half of Washington's defensive snaps twice this year and the team only listed him as a starter once.



Wow so looks like we will mishandle this even with Rivera here. Things not changing folks.[/QUOTE]Why do you think this is being mishandled by the office? There were plenty of times where players requested to be traded but it never happened.

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I don’t see why they won’t trade him

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1264037]I don’t see why they won’t trade him[/quote]

Idiots...should have traded him last year when Baltimore inquired.

So looks like we will overpay him in an extension to a guy who shouldn’t get snaps in front of young or sweat. He terrible against the run.

How do you know your terribly mismanaged organization? Take a look at your top paid players on the team:

Alex Smith: terrible trade, worst contract: $21 cap hit for nothing, you get nothing from him. Without the injury he wouldn’t be playing folks, that’s just a fact. Good lock room guy, that how idiots rationalize

Collins: 15 mil cap hit. Garbage, no impact position decision to pay a middle of road safety

Schreff: 15 mil tag where intelligent organization with a plan extend quality players before you are forced to tag.

Kerrigan: 11 mil cap hit for part time player. 11 mil for a part time is complete mismanagement as you renegotiate the cap number for a reasonable extension or cut him. He would be 0 cap hit if we would have...no ramification for the cap. A part time pass rusher is a 7-7.5 million at most per year contract, if you really had a plan it would be done.

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[quote=Chico23231;1264038]Idiots...should have traded him last year when Baltimore inquired.

So looks like we will overpay him in an extension to a guy who shouldn’t get snaps in front of young or sweat. He terrible against the run.

How do you know your terribly mismanaged organization? Take a look at your top paid players on the team:

Alex Smith: terrible trade, worst contract: $21 cap hit for nothing, you get nothing from him. Without the injury he wouldn’t be playing folks, that’s just a fact. Good lock room guy, that how idiots rationalize

Collins: 15 mil cap hit. Garbage, no impact position decision to pay a middle of road safety

Schreff: 15 mil tag where intelligent organization with a plan extend quality players before you are forced to tag.

Kerrigan: 11 mil cap hit for part time player. 11 mil for a part time is complete mismanagement as you renegotiate the cap number for a reasonable extension or cut him. He would be 0 cap hit if we would have...no ramification for the cap. A part time pass rusher is a 7-7.5 million at most per year contract, if you really had a plan it would be done.[/quote]
To be fair, which of those contracts were put together since RR took over?

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They should trade him. He has been great for this team. Since we are going with youth there is no reason not to trade him.... get what we can, unless the front office is saying that to try to get the best offer...

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[quote=GridIron26;1264036]Why do you think this is being mishandled by the office? There were plenty of times where players requested to be traded but it never happened.

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Agreed. Sweat and Young are better than him, at this point in all their respective careers. You can't just trade someone immediately every time they request it. And even if you're actually agreeable, you have to play the game, to maximize value.

And earlier Kerrigan said he wanted to retire here. He's allowed to change his mind, but the team shouldn't give him away immediately.

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If Kerrigan requested it and there are people calling about him, at this point with his contract ending at the end of the year, I don't see why they dont trade him.

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If the Cowboys (who are extremely desperate for a QB) called and offered a 4th rounder for Haskins (I highly doubted, but you never know). Would you make the move?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1264070]If the Cowboys (who are extremely desperate for a QB) called and offered a 4th rounder for Haskins (I highly doubted, but you never know). Would you make the move?[/quote]

If anybody calls and offers a 4th round pick for Dwayne Haskins, yes they take it, immediately. They would probably take a 5th too; and they would probably take a 6th if it's offered. Not sure there will be any offers, but who knows?

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Haskins was arguably the worst qb in the nfl statistically, and shows super low levels of maturity. If anything is offered at all...i think you have to take it. He clearly won't be on this team next year, so taking anything>just cutting him in the offseason.

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If anyone offered anything for DH I'd take it. Doubt it happens though.

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[quote=MTK;1264077]If anyone offered anything for DH I'd take it. Doubt it happens though.[/quote]

Yea....i can't see anyone giving anything for him. Every other gm knows how this played out and they can get him after the season if they want. Doesnt make any sense to give up a pick for a really serious project. Hes not a peice thats gonna help anyone over the hump or for a playoff push. He may not even be able to learn a new playback in that time.
Wishful thinking, though.
Only way he goes if it's like a package dea with kerrigan and him for a 4th or 5th or something...and that doesnt seem like it would happen either.