Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=SunnySide;1265343]


Cornelius Lucas has a solid 72.6 PFF grade.
Wes Schweitzer a 64.1.
Chase Roullier 70.1
Brandon Scherff 77.7
Morgan Moses 78.0

Morgan Moses has stepped up this year. When he moved to LT and Sharpe came in, we saw a big drop off in play on that right side.

O line coach gets a ton of credit from me and makes we wonder if Callahan was too immune for criticism around here. I think Jay made a mistake giving Callahan majority say in how the run game would be designed and called.[/quote]

Thanks for posting the oline info...this matches what I’m seeing. I think the oline has been good, but I think it could be much better.

My quick plan what I would do this offseason:

Sign a TE that can block, it would immensely help the oline as a whole.

Resign Roullier. Moses playing well and under contract.

Let Schreff test the market with the plan of Schweitzer moving to the right, from what Cooley says is his more natural side.

I’d develop Charles and plan him to play on the left side.

I’d look to spend the Schreff the money on Left Tackle, there are several good ones available, mainly the guy in Green Bay...maybe the Carolina LT could be available. If this wouldn’t work, then go into next season with a plan to use Charles/Lucus at LT. If we could sign one, slide Charles in at left guard and Lucus as the swing tackle.

I think Christian is depth. Wes Martin looks like another wasted oline pick.

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[quote=SunnySide;1265343]Offense - I think we are starting to get a good look at what Scott Turner's offensive scheme is. QB makes quick read and throws to the safest option. This is usually a back out of the backfield (1st read by design), a back as a check down (2nd or 3rd read) or a receiver/te underneath.

Very few designed throws outside the numbers.

Lions up 24-3 in the 3rd quarter allowed our underneath offense to click. Alex Smith was something like 11 consecutive catches and like 25/30. Then with the game close, we started to struggle with the underneath/middle of the field stuff as the Lions adjusted their D.

Play action? Have we seen a single legit PA long ball this year?

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Cornelius Lucas has a solid 72.6 PFF grade.
Wes Schweitzer a 64.1.
Chase Roullier 70.1
Brandon Scherff 77.7
Morgan Moses 78.0

Morgan Moses has stepped up this year. When he moved to LT and Sharpe came in, we saw a big drop off in play on that right side.

O line coach gets a ton of credit from me and makes we wonder if Callahan was too immune for criticism around here. I think Jay made a mistake giving Callahan majority say in how the run game would be designed and called.[/quote]

Moses has gone from good, to man WTF is wrong with him, to playing great this year.

I'd resign him to an extension before Scherff (if we could only keep 1). Way harder to find good tackles.

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Kendall Fuller was targeted 5 times yesterday

He gave up 5 Rec for 114 yards and 2 TDs..

Yikes

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1265349]Kendall Fuller was targeted 5 times yesterday

He gave up 5 Rec for 114 yards and 2 TDs..

Yikes[/quote]

Yeah, he was terrible. But he's been solid all season, so I'll give him a pass this weekend. Gonna have some games like that.

Re: Lions PG
 

We need to draft a young, ATHLETIC, MLB in the 1st few rounds.

Our LB play is nowhere close to acceptable, and MLB has been beyond the worst. We need a young middle anchor.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1265351]We need to draft a young, ATHLETIC, MLB in the 1st few rounds.

Our LB play is nowhere close to acceptable, and MLB has been beyond the worst. We need a young middle anchor.[/quote]

The rest of the defense was supposed to benefit from this Amazing pass rush...

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[quote=Chico23231;1265347]
I’d look to spend the Schreff the money on Left Tackle, there are several good ones available, mainly the guy in Green Bay...maybe the Carolina LT could be available. If this wouldn’t work, then go into next season with a plan to use Charles/Lucus at LT. If we could sign one, slide Charles in at left guard and Lucus as the swing tackle.

I think Christian is depth. Wes Martin looks like another wasted oline pick.[/quote]

Bakhitari (GB) just signed a massive extension. Ravens Stanley signed a massive extension. Those were the 2 big legit all pros worth top dollar. I ma very curious to see what type of cuts have to be made due to the shrinking cap next year.

Crazy thought ..

option 1:

Moses (LT), Martin or FA (LG), Roullier (C), Schweitzer (RG), Scherff (RT)

depth - christain, martin, 2nd to 4th round IOL draftee

option 2:

top 5 draft pick (LT), Schweitzer (LG), Roullier (C), Scherff (RG), Moses (RT)

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IM still torn on Scherff. My biggest worry is his durability, I fear once we sign him to a massive 5 year deal his knees will blow out or some linger back injury.

But do we really want to create a new hole when we are trying to patch 2 spots already on the O line?

perfect world .. scherff comes back down to reality and signs a 10-12M per type deal.

Re: Lions PG
 

My lord how does Aqib Talib have a booth job? He was awful.

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To be fair it was his first ever game lol

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1265351]We need to draft a young, ATHLETIC, MLB in the 1st few rounds.

Our LB play is nowhere close to acceptable, and MLB has been beyond the worst. We need a young middle anchor.[/quote]

But arent LBs a lesser need in modern NFL? I liked the thought approach coming in where we took below non-starters and only asked them to do what they do well.

KPL - coverage TE. go cover TEs and read the backs

Bostic - run stuffer/tackle machine. Go fill the holes on run plays, you are always going to be going north/south inside the tackles.

I liked the approach but we do need an above average MLB.

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I liked Talib in the booth ... but I was watching the game distracted with household chaos

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1265357]To be fair it was his first ever game lol[/quote]

Was it his first time with the english language?

Re: Lions PG
 

It was so bad I liked it actually. Sounded like a regular dude who they just gave a microphone too

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[quote=MTK;1265359]Was it his first time with the english language?[/quote]

lmao Talib is from the hood, it'll take him a while

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1265361]lmao Talib is from the hood, it'll take him a while[/quote]

They need to pair him with Smokey from Friday in the booth and just do Skins games. I’ll listen

Re: Lions PG
 

It’s coaching .. it’s a mind set .. culture if you will ..at this moment we are among the worst in all of pro sports .. yea the jets maybe bad but they would beat us because we would help them beat us .. that’s the deal .WE BEAT OURSELVES!! .. maybe we need to quit drafting the best player available and actually trade down for best player for what the team needs ( which is a lot) .. we had a pretty good D line before draft last year .. what we needed was Middle Linebacker and DB .. we could have gotten at least 2 huge upgrade starters with that pick instead of a pass rusher that is really not making a huge difference ..this team does way better with the mid round picks .I’m not saying Young is not good on the right team he would be lights out however this is not looking like a great fit ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1265364]It’s coaching .. it’s a mind set .. culture if you will ..at this moment we are among the worst in all of pro sports .. yea the jets maybe bad but they would beat us because we would help them beat us .. that’s the deal .WE BEAT OURSELVES!! .. maybe we need to quit drafting the best player available and actually trade down for best player for what the team needs ( which is a lot) .. we had a pretty good D line before draft last year .. what we needed was Middle Linebacker and DB .. we could have gotten at least 2 huge upgrade starters with that pick instead of a pass rusher that is really not making a huge difference ..this team does way better with the mid round picks .I’m not saying Young is not good on the right team he would be lights out however this is not looking like a great fit ..[/quote]

Young is a damn good player but is he really a legit difference maker? We have to give him 2 full seasons to judge... Right now he doesn't look any better than Sweat did last yr and we drafted him in the 20's...

Lions PG
 

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1265309]RR Presser

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/11/15/21566417/ron-rivera-presser-we-have-to-take-care-of-our-own-business-we-cant-worry-about-anybody-else[/url]



Nothing to see here move along ... move along...[/QUOTE]



RR is garbage. We can go through the exercise of its his first year, let him get his guys, etc etc for the next 2-5 years but Im not impressed with what I have seen or heard from him so far. No doubt this team is lacking heavily in personnel but RR is a subtractor not an additive.


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Being an announcer is not easy. Sounds like he just filled in for someone based on how he described what he was doing in his personal life prior to yesterday. Cut the man a break. I had no problem with him.

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[quote=SunnySide;1265358]But arent LBs a lesser need in modern NFL? I liked the thought approach coming in where we took below non-starters and only asked them to do what they do well.

KPL - coverage TE. go cover TEs and read the backs

[B]Bostic - run stuffer/tackle machine. Go fill the holes on run plays, you are always going to be going north/south inside the tackles.
[/B]
I liked the approach but we do need an above average MLB.

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I liked Talib in the booth ... but I was watching the game distracted with household chaos[/quote]

He is not stuffing the run. And that touchdown pass to Swift was just sad. He is a liability. The 2 down stuffer is going the way of the dinosaur. We need an athletic guy in there that can be the leader of the defense.

It's funny because Rivera and Del Rio were LBs, and it's probably our worst unit on the team.

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I feel bad for Chase. If any of the QBs that were drafted after him pan out, a good percentage of the fan base will hold that against him.

Chase really hopes we get a QB in the top 5 next year.

There are a lot of 1 to 3 win teams out there. Any win can move your pick back several spots. Our game this weekend is a huge game in the draft bowl.

Re: Lions PG
 

Morgan Moses and Brandon Scherff were dominant yesterday.

Scherff had an 89.0 overall grade and allowed 0 pressures and Moses (when he was lined up as RT) finished with an 86.2 overall grade and allowed 2 pressures.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1265369]I feel bad for Chase. If any of the QBs pan out that were drafted after him pan out, a good percentage of the fan base will hold that against him.

Chase really hopes we get a QB in the top 5 next year.

There are a lot of 1 to 3 win teams out there. Any win can move your pick back several spots. Our game this weekend is a huge game in the draft bowl.[/quote]

The good thing is Cincy doesn't need a QB

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1265370]Morgan Moses and Brandon Scherff were dominant yesterday.

Scherff had an 89.0 overall grade and allowed 0 pressures and Moses (when he was lined up as RT) finished with an 86.2 overall grade and allowed 2 pressures.[/quote]

OK, thank you as always .. do you know what Lucas and the rest of the O line crew got?

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=MTK;1265356]My lord how does Aqib Talib have a booth job? He was awful.[/quote]

So true!!! It was so painful listening to him. It was like amateur night.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=SunnySide;1265372]OK, thank you as always .. do you know what Lucas and the rest of the O line crew got?[/quote]

Lucas had a 64.8 and allowed 3 pressures.
Roullier had a 77.9 with 1 allowed pressure
Wes had a 70.1 1 allowed pressure

Re: Lions PG
 

thank you OK.

Lucas was getting pushed back. At 6'9" it appears he cant anchor well, will always lose the battle of getting low.

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Running Backs:
J.D. McKissic - 62 (70%)
Antonio Gibson - 33 (38%)
Peyton Barber - 10 (11%)

Wide Receivers:
Terry McLaurin - 86 (98%)
Cam Sims - 83 (94%)
Steven Sims - 40 (45%)
Isaiah Wright - 29 (33%)
Jeff Badet - 5 (6%)

Defense: 59 total plays
Defensive Line:
Daron Payne - 54 (92%)
Jon Allen - 51 (86%)
Chase Young - 49 (83%)
Montez Sweat - 38 (64%)
Tim Settle - 27 (46%)
Ryan Kerrigan - 23 (39%)
Ryan Anderson - 8 (14%)
James Smith-Williams - 1 (2%)

[url]https://www.radio.com/thefandc/sports/washington-football-team/washington-week-10-snap-count-totals-lions[/url]

yesterdays snap counts

Cam Sims seems to be an adequate NFL wr, which is good because I think only him and Terry deserve to be on an NFL roster honestly.

A Cole Beasley type or someone excelling at the slot, finding soft spots and sitting down, sure hands would do wonders for this offense.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=SunnySide;1265380]
[B]Cam Sims seems to be an adequate NFL wr, which is good because I think only him and Terry deserve to be on an NFL roster honestly. [/B]

A Cole Beasley type or someone excelling at the slot, finding soft spots and sitting down, sure hands would do wonders for this offense.[/quote]

You don't think the same for Isaiah Wright?

Re: Lions PG
 

Possible kicking competition for Hopkins

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/11/16/21569770/ron-rivera-presser-were-discussing-bringing-in-competition-for-dustin-hopkins[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;1265381]You don't think the same for Isaiah Wright?[/quote]

Honestly Id have to see more of him. Hes an undrafted rookie who makes a handful of catches a game. 2 fumbles last week. Appears his 6 catches for 59 yards yesterday was his best outing by far.

On a complete roster, hopefully next year, hes a WR4 or WR5 for us .. who appears to not play special teams. He can battle it out with Steve Sims for the last roster spot next year .. if either of them even make the roster next year.

im just going by what little we have seen and downplaying him bc every year we add an undrafted WR rookie who brings the same production .. steve sims in 2019, wright in 2020 ... in 2021 I imagine it will be a new name. Just keep plugging undrafted guys in each year, turning them out and hoping to hit on one. So far Steve Sims and Wright havent flashed.

Maybe the 2021 UDFA wr will be a diamond in the rough. I like the process, just havent hit yet.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1265384]Possible kicking competition for Hopkins

[URL]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/11/16/21569770/ron-rivera-presser-were-discussing-bringing-in-competition-for-dustin-hopkins[/URL][/quote]

Please do...

Re: Lions PG
 

[QUOTE=SunnySide;1265345]Apke in bc Everett suffered a high ankle sprain that may sideline him for a few weeks.

Appears Curl-Apke may be the duo for a few weeks.

And Im fine with that (because im fine with losing, Im a good loser).

I really do think this is the best 2-7 team in the history of the NFL. We are a few good starters away from being an above .500 team.[/QUOTE]


And the Titanic was the greatest ship of its age.

Seriously, a decent team wins yesterday and wins both Giants games. We are not a decent team. Sadly, I see a second 3-13 season in a row and 2nd pick in the draft in a row. And I never root for them to lose.


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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1265384]Possible kicking competition for Hopkins

[URL]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/11/16/21569770/ron-rivera-presser-were-discussing-bringing-in-competition-for-dustin-hopkins[/URL][/quote]

He has cost us two games this year.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Coff;1265340]the continual underperformance of the team's defense from year to year is a symptom of the team's dysfunction, unprofessionalism, and lack of accountability.[/quote]

Unfortunately, this is how I'm starting to feel about things regarding our team.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1265384]Possible kicking competition for Hopkins

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/11/16/21569770/ron-rivera-presser-were-discussing-bringing-in-competition-for-dustin-hopkins[/url][/quote]

Dang ... we have that ravens kicker/punter guy on our PS - Kaare Vedvik??

Hes the guy I was talking about in terms of 1 guy who can placekick and punt so you save an extra roster spot. hes supposed to have a big leg.

Fuck yeah ... I want to see this guy. Hes bounced around teams so thats not a good sign but hell yeah.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1265332][url]https://frenchfoodintheus.org/504#:~:text=Le%20Beurre%20D'Isigny%20(',the%20old%2Dfashioned%20churning%20process[/url]. ?[/quote]

Sexually arousing.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1265368]He is not stuffing the run. And that touchdown pass to Swift was just sad. He is a liability. The 2 down stuffer is going the way of the dinosaur. We need an athletic guy in there that can be the leader of the defense.

It's funny because Rivera and Del Rio were LBs, and it's probably our worst unit on the team.[/quote]

Yeah, I honestly liked Bostic's toughness quite a lot last year. But this season he looks completely lost.

I still don't understand how you coach LBs to key QB eyes in zone coverage. Only a few elite are good at it. The others end up being moved easily out of their zone and/or not seeing the wide opened guy a few yards from them...

Bostic is killing me with this every week. THERE'S A GUY IN YOUR ZONE, COVER HIM ! STOP TRYING TO DO SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DO ! YOU ARE NOT PICKING THAT BALL UNLESS IT'S THROWN DIRECTLY INTO YOUR HANDS WRAPPED IN DOUBLE-FACE TAPE ! COVER. GUYS. IN. YOUR. ZONE.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=mredskins;1265373]So true!!! It was so painful listening to him. It was like amateur night.[/quote]

Maybe it's because English not being my native language some of the grammar twists didn't bother me that much (I did pick quite a lot of "have" instead of "has" and so on though)... but I quite enjoyed Talib in the booth.

It was kind of an acquired taste, felt strange at the beginning, but as the game moved on I thought he brought a nice combination of on point football knowledge/analysis and raw genuine excitement. IE when we was all pumped about seeing "a BALL game" when we tied.

I get the "hood" vibe isn't for everybody but combined with his NFL experience I thought it was quite refreshing and fun.

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Bostic is always lost in space, dude just can't cover. He's the new Perry Riley.

Re: Lions PG
 

Saahdiq Charles to season ending IR for surgery on his knee for a dislocated knee cap (that must have been a serious dislocation to require surgery).

Kyle Allen to season ending IR for surgery on his ankle.

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Chase Roullier is a FA next year ... I wasnt a huge Roullier believer thinking we could find equivalent play elsewhere if needed but now I want him signed.

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Bostic is a limited player, we knew that going into this season, he shouldnt be asked to cover bc he cant cover. Hes a north south plug the run hole player. We probably need more well rounded LBs bc you cant hide Bostic from coverage every snap, just impossible.