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I think you have to give the TB o-line credit. They did a good job protecting Brady.

Our running game SUCKED. We couldn't run inside, and we needed a good running game.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1273388]That's my biggest concern. He's definitely a baller, but he may be too fragile.[/QUOTE]



One injury was an off the field injury. He had a concussion. He had an elbow injury. None of which lingered, and that is over a three year period. But again when you are undrafted out of ODU it is really easy for teams to throw you out in the trash when you stub your toe. He is 6-1 210 pounds. He will be fine. I absolutely love the way he plays.

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[quote=punch it in;1273389]I just want to go on record as saying Taylor Heinicke will be a real good quarterback for us for the foreseeable future barring an injury. I know it is a real small sample size but he has “it”.[/quote]



He has "it" is God damn right. If we.dont keep him I will lose all faith in the franchise.

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[QUOTE=Meks;1273397]He has "it" is God damn right. If we.dont keep him I will lose all faith in the franchise.[/QUOTE]I agree about IT. He seemed to make things happen. Who didn't think he had a shot to pull it out.

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[QUOTE=Meks;1273397]He has "it" is God damn right. If we.dont keep him I will lose all faith in the franchise.[/QUOTE]


Ron said after the game “he definitely earned a shot to compete next year “

Also said “Alex wanted to go but it wasn’t fair to him with his calf to allow him in there”

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[quote=punch it in;1273396]One injury was an off the field injury. He had a concussion. He had an elbow injury. None of which lingered, and that is over a three year period. But again when you are undrafted out of ODU it is really easy for teams to throw you out in the trash when you stub your toe. He is 6-1 210 pounds. He will be fine. I absolutely love the way he plays.[/quote]

I could be wrong, but wasn't this his second NFL start? I don't think he finished his first start (in Carolina), and he almost didn't finish this one.

I'm not saying they shouldn't to try to keep him, because he's definitely looked great in the 4 1/2 quarters he's played here. I'm just not convinced he is durable.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1273395]I think you have to give the TB o-line credit. They did a good job protecting Brady.

Our running game SUCKED. We couldn't run inside, and we needed a good running game.[/quote]

Hardly mixed in McKissick, Barber didn’t even sniff the field. TB OL contained our D.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1273398]I agree about IT. He seemed to make things happen. Who didn't think he had a shot to pull it out.

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As I said in the game thread..... Heinicke reminds me of a faster Tony Romo.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1273401]Hardly mixed in McKissick, Barber didn’t even sniff the field. TB OL contained our D.[/quote]

I mentioned in the game thread that McKissic needed more touches as you could still sense Gibson didn't have the burst we're used to seeing.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1273404]I mentioned in the game thread that McKissic needed more touches as you could still sense Gibson didn't have the burst we're used to seeing.[/quote]

I thought he was hurt since he was hardly used, an error on Turner’s part.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273399]Ron said after the game “he definitely earned a shot to compete next year “

Also said “Alex wanted to go but it wasn’t fair to him with his calf to allow him in there”[/quote]

I'm sure he wanted to play, he's a.warrior. but Taylor.gave us the best chance to win.tomight and.his play reflected it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1273405]I thought he was hurt since he was hardly used, an error on Turner’s part.[/quote]

Yeah, I gotta say I'm not sold on Turner so far either. If that position can be upgraded in the offseason too, I'm all for it.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273400]I could be wrong, but wasn't this his second NFL start? I don't think he finished his first start (in Carolina), and he almost didn't finish this one.

I'm not saying they shouldn't to try to keep him, because he's definitely looked great in the 4 1/2 quarters he's played here. I'm just not convinced he is durable.[/quote]

I'd take Heineken over kirk cousins. Right the fuck now. Not sure where all the displeasure comes from. The D blew it against great coaching, game plan amd.oh, Tom fuxking brady...

#4 earned the.job.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273407]Yeah, I gotta say I'm not sold on Turner so far either. If that position can be upgraded in the offseason too, I'm all for it.[/quote]

Yea I can live without him but also he's not the worst we've seen

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273407]Yeah, I gotta say I'm not sold on Turner so far either. If that position can be upgraded in the offseason too, I'm all for it.[/quote]

I’ll give him another year, like I said they should have kept O’Connell.

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I just peed myself a little bit.

Per @JPFindlayNBCS: Taylor Heinicke on 2021 season- “I love Ron. I want to be back in Washington.”

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[QUOTE=Meks;1273409]I'd take Heineken over kirk cousins. Right the fuck now. Not sure where all the displeasure comes from. The D blew it against great coaching, game plan amd.oh, Tom fuxking brady...

#4 earned the.job.[/QUOTE]


I’d take him over Kirk too since we know what Kirk is lmao

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[quote=Meks;1273409]I'd take Heineken over kirk cousins. Right the fuck now. Not sure where all the displeasure comes from. The D blew it against great coaching, game plan amd.oh, Tom fuxking brady...

#4 earned the.job.[/quote]

I'm not displeased at all. He's played great. He has earned consideration. I'm not handing him anything though. Nothing wrong with competition.

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TB12 has now beat 17 teams in his playoff career.

He’s beaten more teams than any Other QB has total wins in playoff history.

Let that sink in folks

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273418]TB12 has now beat 17 teams in his playoff career.

He’s beaten more teams than any Other QB has total wins in playoff history.

Let that sink in folks[/quote]

Doesn't have to sink in, we all know he's the goat.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273416]I'm not displeased at all. He's played great. He has earned consideration. I'm not handing him anything though. Nothing wrong with competition.[/quote]

Agreed. They can't let him walk tho not by any means.

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I mean, yea, personally I want him to start. I want him as our starter and to draft around him. I'd rather not even draft a qb at all and make smart picks to bolster our roster and roll the dice on Heineken

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1273400]I could be wrong, but wasn't this his second NFL start? I don't think he finished his first start (in Carolina), and he almost didn't finish this one.



I'm not saying they shouldn't to try to keep him, because he's definitely looked great in the 4 1/2 quarters he's played here. I'm just not convinced he is durable.[/QUOTE]



Yeah he may or may not be. Im not going to say he isn’t based off of an elbow injury in a game where he threw 55 passes and a concussion. Could just be two really unlucky plays or hits or whatever. To me durability means playing when you are nicked up though not avoiding injury all together. That is luck. He got hit hard enough tonight to be taken to the locker room and came back out and almost won the game. It isn’t like we are going to mortgage our future on him next year so it is worth the chance imo. Time will tell. I feel better about the quarterback position than i did five hours ago ill tell you that much.

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[quote=punch it in;1273424]Yeah he may or may not be. Im not going to say he isn’t based off of an elbow injury in a game where he threw 55 passes and a concussion. Could just be two really unlucky plays or hits or whatever. To me durability means playing when you are nicked up though not avoiding injury all together. That is luck. He got hit hard enough tonight to be taken to the locker room and came back out and almost won the game. It isn’t like we are going to mortgage our future on him next year so it is worth the chance imo. Time will tell. I feel better about the quarterback position than i did five hours ago ill tell you that much.[/quote]

5 hours did a lot. I 100% agree.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1273407]Yeah, I gotta say I'm not sold on Turner so far either. If that position can be upgraded in the offseason too, I'm all for it.[/QUOTE]



Fuck Turner. Dude is meh on a good day. You want to give the offense a boost then give it a new OC.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1273418]TB12 has now beat 17 teams in his playoff career.

He’s beaten more teams than any Other QB has total wins in playoff history.

Let that sink in folks[/QUOTE]



All the was it BB or TB talk can just go away. Tom Brady has been so good for so long that there is no way he did not sell his soul to the devil.

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[quote=punch it in;1273424]Yeah he may or may not be. Im not going to say he isn’t based off of an elbow injury in a game where he threw 55 passes and a concussion. Could just be two really unlucky plays or hits or whatever. To me durability means playing when you are nicked up though not avoiding injury all together. That is luck. He got hit hard enough tonight to be taken to the locker room and came back out and almost won the game. It isn’t like we are going to mortgage our future on him next year so it is worth the chance imo. Time will tell.[B] I feel better about the quarterback position than i did five hours ago ill tell you that much.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, me too.

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Brady was too tough to overcome..

Our defense struggled. Had our hands full with coverage and gave up too much on the ground. Moreland not good last night...he should have run with brown on that td.

Would have like to seen more screens versus a more effective pass rush than skins from bucs. But Oline was a let down across the board. We get no blocking from Logan Thomas at TE.

The drops killed 2 drives in the first half...we need WRs

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Heineken deserves a lot of praise for this game but some of you guys are going way overboard already wanting him to be the starter next year,it’s just 1 game!
And it’s one game he couldn’t even stay on the field for,on a couple of hits that wouldn’t have even fazed the glass like body of RG3.
I don’t see anyway this kid gonna make it thru a 16 game season but we have to move on from Alex Smith,that is for damn sure.
Heiney deserves a chance to be brought back and compete next year but that’s it,we still need to find a qb.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1273434]Heineken deserves a lot of praise for this game but some of you guys are going way overboard already wanting him to be the starter next year,it’s just 1 game!
And it’s one game he couldn’t even stay on the field for,on a couple of hits that wouldn’t have even fazed the glass like body of RG3.
I don’t see anyway this kid gonna make it thru a 16 game season but we have to move on from Alex Smith,that is for damn sure.
Heiney deserves a chance to be brought back and compete next year but that’s it,we still need to find a qb.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I was saying this last night as well. Dude played great and I want to keep him around to compete but he’d have to really hit the weight room and bulk to a size like a Romo was. His arm is comparable to a Romo as well, but Day 1 starter? No way lol. If he competes with a rookie and wins the job fine but I’d still rather have a Stafford or Matt Ryan for 2 years.

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Kyle Allen and Heineken should both be in the mix and brought back

Let’s just everyone agree Alex Smith needs to retire, if not we absolutely should not consider him an option next year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1273395]I think you have to give the TB o-line credit. They did a good job protecting Brady.

Our running game SUCKED. We couldn't run inside, and we needed a good running game.[/quote]

Well TB does have the best run D this year.....

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For those blaming the defense, we played a pretty good QB who has great weapons and good line in front of him. Brady had a power running game helping him. Tampa defense is also no joke. Despite all of that, we had the ball down by 5 or 6 late in the 4th quarter with plenty of time and could not score. PERIOD. The defense played well enough to win against a very good team.
Heineke looks great. We finally have QB that has the brain, foot work, accurate arm and can scramble. He loves and plays well in our system. He has command of our system. What a concept! I really like this kid. He had no running game and was running for his life.
We need to keep investing building the lines in the draft. It has served us well so far on defense. We need that on offense. Please, no more reaching for a QB or WR. If we had a running game today, we would have won.
It is NOT the defenses fault.

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Why is everyone acting like Heineken is some fragile oft injured quarterback who is 5-6 and 131 lbs?

Lets look at his injury history.
College - zero injuries.

NFL - 1) elbow injury in a game he threw 55 passes. He was let go without ever having a chance to prove himself there. Why? Because he was undrafted out of ODU.
2) concussion - again let go because when you are undrafted out of ODU and get injured you also get thrown away.

Last night the O line was atrocious and the guy got banged around so much he needed to go to the locker room - most big strong tough real nfl quarterbacks would come back out with a baseball cap on - he came back out and almost won the game for us.

Quarterbacks get injured guys. Outside of Eli Manning I cannot think of that many who are always healthy. Taylor Heineke having injury issues is a bunch of crap.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1273439]For those blaming the defense, we played a pretty good QB who has great weapons and good line in front of him. Brady had a power running game helping him. Tampa defense is also no joke. Despite all of that, we had the ball down by 5 or 6 late in the 4th quarter with plenty of time and could not score. PERIOD. The defense played well enough to win against a very good team.

Heineke looks great. We finally have QB that has the brain, foot work, accurate arm and can scramble. He loves and plays well in our system. He has command of our system. What a concept! I really like this kid. He had no running game and was running for his life.

We need to keep investing building the lines in the draft. It has served us well so far on defense. We need that on offense. Please, no more reaching for a QB or WR. If we had a running game today, we would have won.

It is NOT the defenses fault.[/QUOTE]



The secondary was terrible. They had guys running wide open all night. That isn’t because Brady is great right? That is because our secondary was crap.
We were getting gashed by Fournette. Dude had his best game of the season.
We gave the goat more time than he needed. The pass rush was non existent for the most part.

Our defense is supposed to be the strength of the team. It is where all our resources have gone. Last night it underperformed and the offense over performed.

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[quote=Defensewins;1273439]For those blaming the defense, we played a pretty good QB who has great weapons and good line in front of him. Brady had a power running game helping him. Tampa defense is also no joke. Despite all of that, we had the ball down by 5 or 6 late in the 4th quarter with plenty of time and could not score. PERIOD. The defense played well enough to win against a very good team.
Heineke looks great. We finally have QB that has the brain, foot work, accurate arm and can scramble. He loves and plays well in our system. He has command of our system. What a concept! I really like this kid. He had no running game and was running for his life.
We need to keep investing building the lines in the draft. It has served us well so far on defense. We need that on offense. Please, no more reaching for a QB or WR. If we had a running game today, we would have won.
It is NOT the defenses fault.[/quote]

I think if we play the run stronger, put them in longer 3rd downs...maybe stops a scoring drive or 2. They kinda got gashed.

I see 3 areas on the team where we will see a complete overhaul, Linebackers and Wide Receivers. TE as well. From those 3 position groups I’d say only Logan Thomas, Cole Holcomb and Terry are coming back. It’s gonna be like 10 new guys total between those 3 position groups.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1273433]There is no way in hell the league was letting Us win last night. The refs were so one sided it was insane[/QUOTE]



Why do all you guys think that the league has it in for the WFT? Lol. Seriously what is in it for them?
Also is the theory that the commish is paying the refs to fuck us over?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1273442]I think if we play the run stronger, put them in longer 3rd downs...maybe stops a scoring drive or 2. They kinda got gashed.



I see 3 areas on the team where we will see a complete overhaul, Linebackers and Wide Receivers. TE as well. From those 3 position groups I’d say only Logan Thomas, Cole Holcomb and Terry are coming back. It’s gonna be like 10 new guys total between those 3 position groups.[/QUOTE]



TE is an area of need over secondary or o line? Nah. We probably need a tight end to pair with or back up Logan but it is far from a problem. O line, WR, mLb, and secondary. We better tighten those for areas the fuck up.