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[quote=MTK;1273724]Stafford is 32, hardly old by QB standards. He could easily have 5+ seasons left of high quality ball.[/quote]

Exactly and he's been damn good on a shitty team every yr.

Darnold and Mitch suck ass.. No thanks

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I wouldn't even consider castoffs like Darnold or Trabisky, might as well go with Allen and Heinicke. Get a true QB1 in here along with a few more pieces on both sides of the ball and this team is ready to compete.

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Not bad for your only start of the year and only second since you graduated college in 2014 . . . (from PFF)

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[QUOTE=Burgold;1273722]The kid did a great job, and he should be invited to camp...to compete for the backup job, we still need a solid starter..and puleeeeeeeeeez stop with the Stafford talk...he's old we need someone younger for the long haul,I wouldn't mind a Sam Darnold or Mitch Travinski.[/QUOTE]



So he should not even be considered as a starter? That seems a little harsh.
Also I agree with Matty and Okie - Stafford is not old. He would put us in contention for winning a super bowl if we draft right and acquire a couple other key free agents.

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[QUOTE=SkinsGuru;1273731]Not bad for your only start of the year and only second since you graduated college in 2014 . . . (from PFF)



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Yeah pretty good for a possible backup. [emoji849]

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[quote=punch it in;1273740]Yeah pretty good for a possible backup. [emoji849][/quote]

He was awesome but it's 1 game with no film to prepare for. I'm all for having him compete tho

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[quote=MTK;1273729]I wouldn't even consider castoffs like Darnold or Trabisky, might as well go with Allen and Heinicke. Get a true QB1 in here along with a few more pieces on both sides of the ball and this team is ready to compete.[/quote]

This is exactly where I am. I'm willing to give up a lot for the right player.
Including costs as a very important part of the equation, I think this is how I'd approach it:

1) Trade a ton for DeShaun Watson
2) Manage to acquire Dak Prescott, make him highest paid QB, trade picks if needed
[Grand Canyon]
3) Trade for Matt Stafford
4) Sign Ryan Fitzpatrick
5) Sign Matt Ryan if he becomes a free agent, not interested in trading unless it's for a day 3 pick
6) Sign Tyrod Taylor
[Grand Canyon]
7) Go into next year with the same QB room
[distance from Earth to the sun]
8) Bring back Haskins

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[quote=Schneed10;1273748]This is exactly where I am. I'm willing to give up a lot for the right player.
Including costs as a very important part of the equation, I think this is how I'd approach it:

1) Trade a ton for DeShaun Watson
2) Manage to acquire Dak Prescott, make him highest paid QB, trade picks if needed
[Grand Canyon]
3) Trade for Matt Stafford
4) Sign Ryan Fitzpatrick
5) Sign Matt Ryan if he becomes a free agent, not interested in trading unless it's for a day 3 pick
6) Sign Tyrod Taylor
[Grand Canyon]
7) Go into next year with the same QB room
[distance from Earth to the sun]
8) Bring back Haskins[/quote]

Does this list exclude drafting a qb and only look at FA's, or you don't think we should draft one period?

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[quote=Schneed10;1273748]This is exactly where I am. I'm willing to give up a lot for the right player.
Including costs as a very important part of the equation, I think this is how I'd approach it:

1) Trade a ton for DeShaun Watson
2) Manage to acquire Dak Prescott, make him highest paid QB, trade picks if needed
[Grand Canyon]
3) Trade for Matt Stafford
4) Sign Ryan Fitzpatrick
5) Sign Matt Ryan if he becomes a free agent, not interested in trading unless it's for a day 3 pick
6) Sign Tyrod Taylor
[Grand Canyon]
7) Go into next year with the same QB room
[distance from Earth to the sun]
8) Bring back Haskins[/quote]

Swap 4 and 5 for me and I'm good lol

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[quote=Schneed10;1273748]This is exactly where I am. I'm willing to give up a lot for the right player.
Including costs as a very important part of the equation, I think this is how I'd approach it:

1) Trade a ton for DeShaun Watson
2)[B] Manage to acquire Dak Prescott, make him highest paid QB, trade picks if needed[/B]
[Grand Canyon]
3) Trade for Matt Stafford
4) Sign Ryan Fitzpatrick
5) Sign Matt Ryan if he becomes a free agent, not interested in trading unless it's for a day 3 pick
6) Sign Tyrod Taylor
[Grand Canyon]
7) Go into next year with the same QB room
[distance from Earth to the sun]
8) Bring back Haskins[/quote]

I wonder if Dak wants to go back to Dallas given how shitty McCarthy has been as a HC.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273753]Swap 4 and 5 for me and I'm good lol[/quote]

Give me Fitz over Ryan all day. I wouldn’t want Eyan for a half eaten ham sandwich.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273756][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErerVUgW8AM2bwK?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG][/quote]

I don't get what's so great about the Dolphins that Watson would want to go there. I mean they were good this year, but I wouldn't call it a loaded team. I could be wrong.

[quote=SkinzWin;1273757]Give me Fitz over Ryan all day. I wouldn’t want Eyan for a half eaten ham sandwich.[/quote]

Eh, their coaching (ATL) was kinda shitty as well, I wouldn't put it all on Ryan.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1273751]Does this list exclude drafting a qb and only look at FA's, or you don't think we should draft one period?[/quote]

Philosophically I think it would be the wrong play. The defense is ready now. Put a good QB in and we could be a top 3 or 4 team in the NFC for the next 3-5 years.

But draft a QB and miss on him, then we waste a window.

We will have a genuine super bowl window open if we can parachute a good QB in here. I wouldn't take my shot on a draft guess, I'd push my chips into the table and try to get Deshaun or Dak.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273753]Swap 4 and 5 for me and I'm good lol[/quote]

I'm just anticipating Fitzpatrick being cheaper on the cap, that tips it to him in my mind.

Taylor Effing Heinicke
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1273756][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErerVUgW8AM2bwK?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG][/QUOTE]



Lol.
On my phone and upon first glance thought you were just posting a pic of your guy Tua.

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[quote=Schneed10;1273760]Philosophically I think it would be the wrong play. The defense is ready now. Put a good QB in and we could be a top 3 or 4 team in the NFC for the next 3-5 years.

But draft a QB and miss on him, then we waste a window.

We will have a genuine super bowl window open if we can parachute a good QB in here. I wouldn't take my shot on a draft guess, I'd push my chips into the table and try to get Deshaun or Dak.[/quote]

Also, there are between 7-8 teams, ahead of us in the first round, that need a QB. I don't see us getting a QB in the first round.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1273757]Give me Fitz over Ryan all day. I wouldn’t want Eyan for a half eaten ham sandwich.[/quote]

You are severely underrating Matt Ryan

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[quote=Ruhskins;1273763]Also, there are between 7-8 teams, ahead of us in the first round, that need a QB. I don't see us getting a QB in the first round.[/quote]

Exactly. The one guy that's not a 50/50 guess is Lawrence. He's pretty assured to be good. The rest of them are a coinflip and I don't want to waste the prime of Young/Sweat/Payne/Allen on a guy who after two years we're still trying to find out if he can be the guy.

I fully expect Ron to recognize the same thing and push his chips in. I think he'll be aggressive and that's probably why he felt the need to talk to Snyder this week.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273753]Swap 4 and 5 for me and I'm good lol[/quote]

Give me Fitz over Ryan all day. I wouldn’t want Eyan for a half eaten ham sandwich.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273764]You are severely underrating Matt Ryan[/quote]

Or maybe we're telling everyone else that they're severely underrating Fitzmagic.

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Darnold deserves a second look because the Jets aren't a professional organization and no one outplayed him at the QB position.

Heinikes success on short notice makes Dwayne look really bad, if that was possible.

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[quote=jamf;1273768]Darnold deserves a second look because the Jets aren't a professional organization and no one outplayed him at the QB position.

Heinikes success on short notice makes Dwayne look really bad, if that was possible.[/quote]

That's true, Darnold should go in the hopper as a possible. He misses his share of games though.

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I want someone that's proven, rather not waste time trying to see if a retread can kickstart their career or not.

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If Alex's contract comes off the books:

1. Watson - pipe dream
2. Stafford - not sure Detroit is trading him, but if the price is right - ok.
- Bring back Heinicke

If Alex's contract does not come off the books:
1. T Taylor
2. R Fitzpatrick
- Bring back Heinicke

I'm drafting a QB either way. Not necessarily with the first pick, but if there's one on the board that is the BPA in round 2-7, then yes.

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[quote=Schneed10;1273767]Or maybe we're telling everyone else that they're severely underrating Fitzmagic.[/quote]

Could be...

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And while this defense is good, I don't think it's championship caliber just yet. It's not "ready now". They were the beneficiaries of a fairly soft schedule, and a lot of backup QBs. Still need help and depth at LB and DB.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273773]And while this defense is good, I don't think it's championship caliber just yet. It's not "ready now". They were the beneficiaries of a fairly soft schedule, and a lot of backup QBs. Still need help and depth at LB and DB.[/quote]

Yeah but you still need a legit QB1, Can't wait around for "What if's" the defense was ranked 2nd , that's pretty damn good. You can upgrade at LB in Free agency / draft.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273773]And while this defense is good, I don't think it's championship caliber just yet. It's not "ready now". They were the beneficiaries of a fairly soft schedule, and a lot of backup QBs. Still need help and depth at LB and DB.[/quote]

All true, but the hard pieces to find are in place. Landing LBs is considerably easier than finding the horses up front. A 2nd round pick can usually grab you a very good athlete at LB.

Unless his name is Rocky McIntosh. :laughing-

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Yeah, I definitely agree the team needs a legit QB1, I'm just saying there's work to be done on the defensive side of the ball too. I keep seeing "the defense is ready now", and it's not. When they played against starting QBs outside this bad division, they allowed at least 30 points in six of those nine games.

The exceptions were Ben Roethlisberger and his fraudulent Steelers, Bridgewater and the Panthers, and Wilson and the Seahawks. Neither one of these teams had their starting RB.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1273771]If Alex's contract comes off the books:

1. Watson - pipe dream
2. Stafford - not sure Detroit is trading him, but if the price is right - ok.
- Bring back Heinicke

If Alex's contract does not come off the books:
1. T Taylor
2. R Fitzpatrick
- Bring back Heinicke

I'm drafting a QB either way. Not necessarily with the first pick, but if there's one on the board that is the BPA in round 2-7, then yes.[/QUOTE]


Tyrod Taylor was bad in Buffalo , Cleveland and lost his job to Herbert (was bound to happen anyway but still)

He’s not very good and honestly Cam Newton is better

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273764]You are severely underrating Matt Ryan[/quote]

You’re right. Playing like ass with Freeman/Gurley and Jones, Ridley and Gage the last two years is all the position players faults. I used to think highly of him but he can’t seem to get out of his own way recently.

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[quote=Schneed10;1273760]Philosophically I think it would be the wrong play. The defense is ready now. Put a good QB in and we could be a top 3 or 4 team in the NFC for the next 3-5 years.

But draft a QB and miss on him, then we waste a window.

We will have a genuine super bowl window open if we can parachute a good QB in here. I wouldn't take my shot on a draft guess, I'd push my chips into the table and try to get Deshaun or Dak.[/quote]

This is my thinking too. Can’t waste this d line on a retread or a project. We get a good QB now before the d is too expensive to keep together.

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Okay. I do not want to hear the “Heinicke is small and frail crap anymore”.

Taylor Heinicke 6’1” 210 lbs
Drew Brees —- 6’0” 208 lbs
Kyler Murray — 5’10” 207 lbs
Russell Wilson -5’11” 215 lbs

As the pronounced president of the Taylor Heinicke Fan Club, I will not tolerate such slanderous lies be made about our quarterback of the future. He sprained his AC joint flying like Superman during a circus stunt. That is not a normal play. The kid is a very smart “5 read” guy who has demonstrated terrific decision making and great accuracy, even with difficult down the field throws. He is extremely familiar with this offensive scheme. He is mobile and can extend plays when needed.

Now taking applications for members.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273788]Tyrod Taylor was bad in Buffalo , Cleveland and lost his job to Herbert (was bound to happen anyway but still)

He’s not very good and honestly Cam Newton is better[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not saying he would be the next WFT franchise QB, but he would be an immediate upgrade to the QB room, and a nice bridge to a young future QB.

He was drafted by the Ravens and was Flacco's backup for four years. He was the starter in Buffalo for three years, averaging 3,000 yards passing/500 yards rushing per year. He was traded to the Browns after Josh Allen was drafted. He was the starter but got hurt in week three, making way for Baker. He backed up Rivers last year, was named the starter this year. Was 1-0, and then the team Dr. decided to pierce his lung with a needle, making way for Herbert.

He doesn't turn the ball over like Fitzpatrick, he can be a dual threat, he wouldn't break the bank, and he's not 38.

Like I said - I would at least kick the tires on him.

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Get Stafford. That's the move. Everything else is playing for 2nd place. Until Detroit clearly states he's not being traded, I'm kicking the shit out of those tires.

If Texans traded Watson (even if it's the right decision for them) they'd get absolutely lambasted. I don't see him being moved.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1273792]Okay. I do not want to hear the “Heinicke is small and frail crap anymore”.

Taylor Heinicke 6’1” 210 lbs
Drew Brees —- 6’0” 208 lbs
Kyler Murray — 5’10” 207 lbs
Russell Wilson -5’11” 215 lbs

As the pronounced president of the Taylor Heinicke Fan Club, I will not tolerate such slanderous lies be made about our quarterback of the future. He sprained his AC joint flying like Superman during a circus stunt. That is not a normal play. The kid is a very smart “5 read” guy who has demonstrated terrific decision making and great accuracy, even with difficult down the field throws. He is extremely familiar with this offensive scheme. He is mobile and can extend plays when needed.

Now taking applications for members.[/quote]

Someone on here called me "Mrs. Heinicke" when, prior to the game, I surmised how Washington fans would react (in relation to the QB search) if Heinicke performed as I had seen so many times at ODU. So I guess, I am in, as well. Can I be the "Director of Cheerleader Fulfillment?"

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[quote=ODUsmitty;1273800]Someone on here called me "Mrs. Heinicke" when, prior to the game, I surmised how Washington fans would react (in relation to the QB search) if Heinicke performed as I had seen so many times at ODU. So I guess, I am in, as well. Can I be the "Director of Cheerleader Fulfillment?"[/quote]

I think Snyder has that covered. 🤦*♂️

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[quote=ODUsmitty;1273800]Someone on here called me "Mrs. Heinicke" when, prior to the game, I surmised how Washington fans would react (in relation to the QB search) if Heinicke performed as I had seen so many times at ODU. So I guess, I am in, as well. Can I be the "Director of Cheerleader Fulfillment?"[/quote]

Consider yourself fulfilled. 👇🏻

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1273794]Get Stafford. That's the move. Everything else is playing for 2nd place. Until Detroit clearly states he's not being traded, I'm kicking the shit out of those tires.

If Texans traded Watson (even if it's the right decision for them) they'd get absolutely lambasted. I don't see him being moved.[/quote]

Stafford is the best option for this team IMO, Leader , Grit , big time arm still and he needs a new start.