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I didn't realize Hurney worked closely with Bobby Beathard in SD as his assistant GM

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Past performance is no guarantee of future results...

I'm not passing judgement on the hire, but I wouldn't rely on success from nearly a decade ago on another team to indicate where we're going now. On the other hand, even after he left, some of the roster he left behind went on to win the NFC in 2015.

I prefer to see how we look in camp before I start judging his capability.

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Ultimately Ron is the shot caller, so I think a lot of this worry is for nothing anyway. Hurney will take some of the day to day stuff off Ron's plate and be a voice in the room for him, but it's clearly Ron's show.

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[quote=MTK;1274652]Ultimately Ron is the shot caller, so I think a lot of this worry is for nothing anyway. Hurney will take some of the day to day stuff off Ron's plate and be a voice in the room for him, but it's clearly Ron's show.[/quote]

Exactly. RR still calls the shots. I think that's the biggest takeaway from this hire.

RR was somewhat overwhelmed with responsibility this year, and it is amazing he did as well as he did considering his health issues. Hurney can immediately take some things off of Ron's plate, help organize the front office and mentor the young guys like Stokes & Smith, so RR can concentrate more on coaching.

It's not like Hurney is now taking everything over and making all the decisions.

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#49ers VP of Player Personnel Martin Mayhew is headed to the Washington Football Team as a high-ranking executive with a title to be determined, source said. He’ll work with coach Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney as WFT restructures its organization.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274681]#49ers VP of Player Personnel Martin Mayhew is headed to the Washington Football Team as a high-ranking executive with a title to be determined, source said. He’ll work with coach Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney as WFT restructures its organization.

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I like it, the more capable minds in the front office the better.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274681]#49ers VP of Player Personnel Martin Mayhew is headed to the Washington Football Team as a high-ranking executive with a title to be determined, source said. He’ll work with coach Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney as WFT restructures its organization.

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Too many cooks

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[quote=Chico23231;1274683]Too many cooks[/quote]

This front office didn't even have a sous chef before. We've had one of the most bare bones operations for years now.

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Mayhew wasn’t great with the Lions. Like him as a player, not sold on him as a personnel man. Time will tell, maybe someone can ease my mind with some good examples but I’m not getting fuzzies..

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I mean he's worked in two other places since Detroit, including SF when they went to the SB last year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1274683]Too many cooks[/quote]

Ridiculous. We were so understaffed last year, it's crazy. If you wanted to offer Washington a trade, who did you call?

Kyle was busy scouting. Ron was busy coaching.

We need more smart people in this area. After all this time not having a proper structure for this, I cannot fathom complaining about having too many cooks in the kitchen.

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[quote=Schneed10;1274689]Ridiculous. We were so understaffed last year, it's crazy. If you wanted to offer Washington a trade, who did you call?

Kyle was busy scouting. Ron was busy coaching.

We need more smart people in this area. After all this time not having a proper structure for this, I cannot fathom complaining about having too many cooks in the kitchen.[/quote]

This 1000%

Ron has said he wanted to beef up the front office, moves like these definitely takes work off his plate.

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I like the enhanced structure. Liking the people put into the structure is TBD. Might as well think positive about it, because it is what it is.

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true, we will see in the results. Just hope Kyle, Hurney and Stokes work together in the personnel and saturation the team with talent. Taking items off Ron plate is a positive

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[quote=RedskinJake;1274685]Mayhew wasn’t great with the Lions. Like him as a player, not sold on him as a personnel man. Time will tell, maybe someone can ease my mind with some good examples but I’m not getting fuzzies..[/quote]

He took over an 0-16 Lions team, and within 3 years they won 10 games. He wasn't awful.

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Per this link, Mayhew's focus was primarily on the pro-side of scouting.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-rumors-49ers-exec-martin-mayhew-join-washington-front-office[/url]

Hurney - GM
Mayhew - VP of Pro Personel/Scouting
Smith - VP of College Scouting

That would be pretty sweet.

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I wonder if Mayhew coming impacts Stafford. His biography on 49ers site says "Mayhew was responsible for the draft selection of QB Matthew Stafford"

Seems like he would have some leanings that way.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1274703]I wonder if Mayhew coming impacts Stafford. His biography on 49ers site says "Mayhew was responsible for the draft selection of QB Matthew Stafford"

Seems like he would have some leanings that way.

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Couldn’t hurt, unless he boinked Stafford’s old lady or something.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1274649]You realize that after three years together in Carolina they were 15-1 and and in the Super Bowl right?[/quote]

You realize Hurney was fired by the Panthers in 2012 and came back to them in 2017 right?

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[quote=Chico23231;1274694]true, we will see in the results. Just hope Kyle, Hurney and Stokes work together in the personnel and saturation the team with talent. [B]Taking items off Ron plate is a positive[/B][/quote]

This is a big reason why I'm not stressing about this. Ron and the FO staff not only need to be on the same page in regards to their scouting eyes, Ron needs help. I trust the process even if I'm not sold on the hires.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274702]Per this link, Mayhew's focus was primarily on the pro-side of scouting.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-rumors-49ers-exec-martin-mayhew-join-washington-front-office[/url]

Hurney - GM
Mayhew - VP of Pro Personel/Scouting
Smith - VP of College Scouting

That would be pretty sweet.[/quote]

I doubt Mayhew is going to come here as a lateral move. I see it panning out more like this:

Hurney - GM/Ownership babysitter and watchdog
Mayhew - Assistant GM/VP of Pro Personnel/Ownership babysitter and watchdog
Smith - VP of College Scouting

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274722]I doubt Mayhew is going to come here as a lateral move. I see it panning out more like this:

Hurney - GM/Ownership babysitter and watchdog
Mayhew - Assistant GM/VP of Pro Personnel/Ownership babysitter and watchdog
[B]Smith - VP of College Scouting[/B][/quote]

Wouldn't this be a demotion?

Let's be real guys. Given his connections around the league, especially to the coaching staffs of the Rams and 49ers, it's very realistic Smith is out.

I only say this because it's easier to accept when you know it's coming, even if you disagree with it.

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[quote=mooby;1274723]Wouldn't this be a demotion?

Let's be real guys. Given his connections around the league, especially to the coaching staffs of the Rams and 49ers, it's very realistic Smith is out.

I only say this because it's easier to accept when you know it's coming, even if you disagree with it.[/quote]

That’s what he is now. VP of player personnel. I was dividing out between pro and college. This could go a lot of ways, but I haven’t seen a single report linking Kyle Smith to another team or rumblings about him leaving. He’s young and doesn’t have any GM experience. Staying with WFT and working with two long tenured front office guys is a platform for him to grow into future roles.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274725]That’s what he is now. VP of player personnel. I was dividing out between pro and college. This could go a lot of ways, but I haven’t seen a single report linking Kyle Smith to another team or rumblings about him leaving. Yes young and doesn’t have any GM experience. Staying with WFT and working with two long tenured front office guys is a platform for him to grow into future roles.[/quote]

I tend to trust JP Finlay on the subject. He has connections inside the building and when he writes [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/big-changes-front-office-dont-mean-big-problems-washington-football"]things like this[/URL] I agree with his reasoning.

It's not a matter of Kyle Smith not knowing how to scout. It's not a matter of how well he does his job. It's a matter of Smith being young and Ron preferring experience.

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[quote=mooby;1274726]I tend to trust JP Finlay on the subject. He has connections inside the building and when he writes [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/big-changes-front-office-dont-mean-big-problems-washington-football"]things like this[/URL] I agree with his reasoning.

It's not a matter of Kyle Smith not knowing how to scout. It's not a matter of how well he does his job. It's a matter of Smith being young and Ron preferring experience.[/quote]

Our Young OC, hired by RR himself, is only 38 years of age. If I do recall, Kyle was promoted since RR came on board.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274733]Our Young OC, hired by RR himself, is only 38 years of age. If I do recall, [B]Kyle was promoted since RR came on board.[/B][/quote]

Yep.

I think the talk of Kyle leaving is a bit premature. He may very well leave between now and the Summer, but he's actually in a good place, so if RR wants him to be part of his team I bet he stays.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274733]Our Young OC, hired by RR himself, is only 38 years of age. If I do recall, Kyle was promoted since RR came on board.[/quote]

He also had a history with our young OC dating back to Carolina.

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I’m disappointed in the GM decision, because he’s older, just ANOTHER guy from Carolina and his record hasn’t been that great.

To me the big decision if how they tend to and pay KYLE SMITH. Increase Kyle’s salary and job title and draft/FA involvement. Perhaps Deputy GM?
Keep him here until he can impress Rivera with his GM skills and perhaps he can move up.


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The impression I got from the local reporters is that Hurney doesn't want to have to deal with the day to day workload of being a GM, which is why Mayhew is here.... and the prospect of him mentoring Kyle may be realistic. Hurney is here to get the organization straight, I would not expect him to be here for more than 2-3 years, but we shall see

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Welcome home, Martin Mayhew!

Mayhew is one of us. He was a very good starting CB when he played in Washington. He's done some good work as a player personnel executive for some other NFL teams and now I'm happy to have him back with us. I'm not about to pre-judge his ability. I'm just wishing him success and satisfaction in his new position.

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Don't really understand why Smith would want to go to the Rams or 49ers. Snead and Lynch aren't going anywhere as their GM's.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1274759]Don't really understand why Smith would want to go to the Rams or 49ers. Snead and Lynch aren't going anywhere as their GM's.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking that too last night. I mean, aside from journos suggesting he'll leave, is there any evidence he is unhappy or RR is unhappy with him? As I said before, surely if RR didn't want him there, he'd be sacked by now.

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1274750]I’m disappointed in the GM decision, because he’s older, just ANOTHER guy from Carolina and his record hasn’t been that great.

To me the big decision if how they tend to and pay KYLE SMITH. Increase Kyle’s salary and job title and draft/FA involvement. Perhaps Deputy GM?
Keep him here until he can impress Rivera with his GM skills and perhaps he can move up.


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I believe Ron is building a long term structure, you know, the professional organization idea that we all have pined for the past 20 years. People are important, but moreso it is critical that everyone in the building is on the same page. I imagine with Hurney especially RR they know how each other works and thinks so should be more growth and less friction.

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So Mayhew takes Santos vacant job as pro personnel, Smith stays as college personnel. Hurney is GM. Sounds good.

Seems Eric Stokes (our residing Director of Pro Personnel) was looked over/diminished but he is young, with Panthers for 5 years before coming here so its not a huge diss. Making him Director of Pro Personnel was probably a title bigger than he should have at his young tenure. Jeff Scott has been with us for 9 years and was made the Asst Director of Pro Personnel so he had to work under a younger brand new guy last year.

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Finally ... Dan Snyder is paying actual money out of his own pocket to give this team a proper organizational structure. We had no HR, no GM, very few scouts vs others teams etc ... took forever to get a training facility and it was a bubble ... had no advanced rehab/PT machines in house until 2 years ago.

Dan would hire a Bruce Allen, let him wear 4 hats and pay 1 salary. Now he has to pay 4 guys 4 salaries to do 4 jobs. Now jobs should be done more competently.

Dan Snyder is top 3 most cheap owners in the league. Finally, he is paying competent guys to have a competent staff vs he pocketing maybe 750k a year by having bare minimum staff.

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[quote=mooby;1274745]He also had a history with our young OC dating back to Carolina.[/quote]

Ron had to hire him the first time as a younger QB coach with no working history didn’t he?!

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[quote=Warthog;1274750]I’m disappointed in the GM decision, because he’s older, just ANOTHER guy from Carolina and his record hasn’t been that great.

To me the big decision if how they tend to and pay KYLE SMITH. Increase Kyle’s salary and job title and draft/FA involvement. Perhaps Deputy GM?
Keep him here until he can impress Rivera with his GM skills and perhaps he can move up.


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None of us know what the front office structure is going to look like with responsibilities/roles/etc. But let’s be honest, Marty Hurney ain’t calling the shots and pulling the trigger on talent acquisition. That’s Ron. Hurney is going to be the leg work guy and work with Mayhew to share the load. I was pessimistic about the Hurney hire at first glance, but the more I think about it, and now with the hiring of Mayhew, I’m not worried about it at all. Hurney won’t be the de facto talent decision maker. As long as Ron calls the shots, I could care less who he entrusts to do the grunt work for him. If he’s good enough for Ron, he should be good enough for all of us know nothing armchair football gurus until proven otherwise.

Plus I think we are just so conditioned as fans to expect failure as a fan base, we can’t even process something being conducted within the franchise in a responsible and positive way.

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So far Ron really hasn't made any decisions that have been flops or complete failures, so I'm going to trust him until we have a good reason not to.

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[quote=MTK;1274786]So far Ron really hasn't made any decisions that have been flops or complete failures, so I'm going to trust him until we have a good reason not to.[/quote]

This.

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I feel like we went from not enough hands in the cookie jar to too many. Hope not only that they all know their shit, but that they all work well together. No ego bullshit from anyone. Guess time will tell. I definitely feel good about it at the moment. Thats just my gut talking though.

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[quote=SunnySide;1274765]So Mayhew takes Santos vacant job as pro personnel, Smith stays as college personnel. Hurney is GM. Sounds good.

Seems Eric Stokes (our residing Director of Pro Personnel) was looked over/diminished but he is young, with Panthers for 5 years before coming here so its not a huge diss. Making him Director of Pro Personnel was probably a title bigger than he should have at his young tenure. Jeff Scott has been with us for 9 years and was made the Asst Director of Pro Personnel so he had to work under a younger brand new guy last year.

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Finally ... Dan Snyder is paying actual money out of his own pocket to give this team a proper organizational structure. We had no HR, no GM, very few scouts vs others teams etc ... took forever to get a training facility and it was a bubble ... had no advanced rehab/PT machines in house until 2 years ago.

Dan would hire a Bruce Allen, let him wear 4 hats and pay 1 salary. Now he has to pay 4 guys 4 salaries to do 4 jobs. Now jobs should be done more competently.

Dan Snyder is top 3 most cheap owners in the league. Finally, he is paying competent guys to have a competent staff vs he pocketing maybe 750k a year by having bare minimum staff.[/quote]

i think he is cheap in some areas like you mentioned but he will overpay on free agents like Collins...