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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1278433]The difference, and the reason 11-4 means something tied to AS is because in 2 separate seasons, our team had 5 + wins with him starting qb, and in those SAME SEASONS we were 3-14 with out him. The reason the W/L record is significant is because the team and coaching around AS didn't significantly improve mid season to make his play insignificant, instead his play significantly impacted the play of the rest of the team to make the outcomes better.[/quote]

AS is above average. He is better than the scrubs we had. That doesn't mean he's the guy to lead you to a SB victory. He isn't. It is possible for him to improve W-L total when the rest of our QBs SUCK, and to be talented, but still be a world away from a SB winning QB. His playoff record is 2-5. Smith puts up lots of decent stats against average and losing teams and then hooches it when it counts, in significant measure because he is conservative to a fault and a checkdown QB. Trading for him was an AWFUL decision.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278369]I'd say looking at the stats alone is misleading. Were we likely to be consistent playoff contenders with Smith? Possibly and maybe likely. Would be be SB contenders and even winners? Unlikely.

What he brought were intangibles like leadership and improving the guys around him. What he didn't do was sling the ball around and light up the scoreboard. As a rule he wasn't going to make catastrophic mistakes and dig us into holes, but likewise he wasn't likely to dig us out of holes others put us in. He was a good bridge QB, and our problem is we didn't give him a Mahomes to learn from him and be the other side o the bridge.

Listening to Heinicke, you get the distinct impression he made the other QB's better (or at least feel better about themselves), the exception being DH. And DH could probably come out of a meeting with Joe Montana or Tom Brady and gain nothing from it.

We need to find a franchise level QB with those intangibles, but with the tools and capability to go to the next level. Better football minds can decide who that is.[/quote]

Exactly. The question is did we hire those football minds? Our two GMs both got QB wrong consistently throughout their career. Hope they get it right though and draft a franchise QB.

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[QUOTE=Scalper;1278447]Exactly. The question is did we hire those football minds? Our two GMs both got QB wrong consistently throughout their career. Hope they get it right though and draft a franchise QB.[/QUOTE]Our current staff brought Stafford, Newton, and PManning to their respective teams. How is that consistently getting it wrong.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1278457]Our current staff brought Stafford, Newton, and PManning to their respective teams. How is that consistently getting it wrong.

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What draft pick did they have?

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[quote=mooby;1278543]What draft pick did they have?[/quote]

What difference does that make? People have gotten it wrong with the first pick too since that’s what you’re implying. Ever heard of JaMarcus Russell? People have gotten all sorts of picks wrong....Ryan Leaf...Akili Smith....Johnny Manziel....Brady Quinn.....

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[QUOTE=mooby;1278543]What draft pick did they have?[/QUOTE]Yes i get that, but the statement I quoted claimed that Hurney and Mayhew got the qb position "consistently wrong". DS has gotten the qb position "consistently wrong " regardless of the draft pick used. My point was, when given the chance our 2 GMs and new vp of pro personnel clearly did NOT get the qb position wrong. Does that guarantee that, given FA options and our draft position, they will get it right- no, but it does mean they all know what qualities make up an nfl qb.

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Official

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/05/washington-releases-alex-smith/"]Washington releases Alex Smith[/URL]

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So long, Alex...and thanks for all the fish.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1278546]What difference does that make? People have gotten it wrong with the first pick too since that’s what you’re implying. Ever heard of JaMarcus Russell? People have gotten all sorts of picks wrong....Ryan Leaf...Akili Smith....Johnny Manziel....Brady Quinn.....[/quote]

It makes all the difference when you're drafting with the top two pick vs. the top 19th pick.

It literally makes all the difference in the world. Not saying Rivera can't scout, just saying the staff's job is easier because out of all draft eligible players, you can eliminate the clear-cut #1 pick and trust your instincts. When you're at 19 and you have no idea how the 18 in front of you are gonna go it can be a game of chance. You have no idea if the guy you want is going to be on the board when you pick.

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[url]https://twitter.com/AlGaldi/status/1367899313515487233[/url]

I just came in here to share this, I thought it was an apt analogy lol.

Thanks for everything Alex.

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[quote=mooby;1278587][url]https://twitter.com/AlGaldi/status/1367899313515487233[/url]

I just came in here to share this, I thought it was an apt analogy lol.

Thanks for everything Alex.[/quote]

lol, nothing solves a problem quite like a boot to the chin

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I am curious how much truth there is to RR's statement. He said the team granted Alex's request to be released. I'm not so certain Alex asked for the release...

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278652]I am curious how much truth there is to RR's statement. He said the team granted Alex's request to be released.[B] I'm not so certain Alex asked for the release...[/B][/quote]

If you're gonna say something like that back it up with some evidence or something.

I think both parties were in agreement to move on.

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Once Alex was told he would have no assurances of being the starter, he very well could have asked for his release. Or maybe both sides agreed it would look best on paper if he asked for his release vs the team cutting him. Either way its semantics really, who cares. Everyone saw it coming.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1278656]Once Alex was told he would have no assurances of being the starter, he very well could have asked for his release. Or maybe both sides agreed it would look best on paper if he asked for his release vs the team cutting him. Either way its semantics really, who cares. Everyone saw it coming.[/QUOTE]

No doubt, I just hope its not one of those rumbling stories once he signs on elsewhere (or retires), about how he was mistreated. If they actually did part on good terms, then that's hopefully it. We don't need another story like he came out with the other week, about being held back.

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[quote=MTK;1278656]Once Alex was told he would have no assurances of being the starter, he very well could have asked for his release. Or maybe both sides agreed it would look best on paper if he asked for his release vs the team cutting him. Either way its semantics really, who cares. Everyone saw it coming.[/quote]

Exactly.

I feel that anyone who is looking to make an issue out of this is just digging for drama that isn't there.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278652]I am curious how much truth there is to RR's statement. He said the team granted Alex's request to be released. I'm not so certain Alex asked for the release...[/quote]

Why would you doubt this?

Ron said he had a very frank and honest discussion with Alex. Which, as you can imagine, probably went something along the lines of we don't see you as a starter anymore, we're looking for someone younger who can grow along with this young team, and you no longer have the mobility. Your availability at the end of the season makes us uneasy about committing to you as a starter this year.

But we know you can still play in this league and we'd consider you as a backup at a reduced cost. But we're not going to keep you at your current salary.

That's probably where Alex said thanks for being honest but I want a shot to play so probably best if you released me. They probably shook hands and went their separate ways.

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Yeah nobody was going to give him 15M.. Dude has 1 leg , love his fight and guts but lets be real here

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1278735]Why would you doubt this?

Ron said he had a very frank and honest discussion with Alex. Which, as you can imagine, probably went something along the lines of we don't see you as a starter anymore, we're looking for someone younger who can grow along with this young team, and you no longer have the mobility. Your availability at the end of the season makes us uneasy about committing to you as a starter this year.

But we know you can still play in this league and we'd consider you as a backup at a reduced cost. But we're not going to keep you at your current salary.

That's probably where Alex said thanks for being honest but I want a shot to play so probably best if you released me. They probably shook hands and went their separate ways.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I can see that happening, I was just thinking in context of the article indicating Smith wasn't happy with his treatment last week, this statement seemed a bit of a contrast to that earlier view. OTOH I can see how writers slant stories to make them more contentious than the truth...

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1278765]Oh, I can see that happening, I was just thinking in context of the article indicating Smith wasn't happy with his treatment last week, this statement seemed a bit of a contrast to that earlier view. OTOH I can see how writers slant stories to make them more contentious than the truth...[/QUOTE]Smith came out after the interview and softened the tone, including a little blame on the reporter saying it was a GQ interview and the reporter wasn't very up on football, or something to that effect.

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Ah, never saw that (limited coverage over here).

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Kudos to Smith on a good career, he defied the odds.. This is the best decision for him

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All time great comeback story

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He left a little bitter but I imagine now he sees why he was cut.. Nobody was taking that chance

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While this was inevitable, I think he was holding out hope of playing again. I just don't think he got the offers that would have made it worthwhile. Moving his family across the country for probably a 1 year deal and already getting paid by WFT anyway probably made little sense in the cold light of day. For me he's the kind of guy the NFL wants so I hope he takes up coaching. But I could equally see him go into politics. Who wouldn't vote for him if he has a good platform?

Happy retirement AS. :)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281544]He left a little bitter but I imagine now he sees why he was cut.. Nobody was taking that chance[/quote]

If you're talking about the GQ article I never got the impression he was bitter, he even clarified that and said he had [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/sources-clarify-alex-smiths-gq-comments-no-animosity-toward-organization"]no animosity towards the team[/URL].

Reactions to that article got things a little twisted I think.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281544]He left a little bitter but I imagine now he sees why he was cut.. Nobody was taking that chance[/quote]

Would be nice and mend some fences if he would have said that though.

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Link to confirm since I didn't see one.

[url]https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1384171837156827138[/url]


It was the right decision. I was hoping he's stick on as the backup one more year but the team does need to consider its future.

Jacksonville was his only hope and Coach Meyer said he has serious concerns about Alex's medical status, so a playoff run and hanging it up after the greatest comeback story every...that's a fine way to go out.

My daughter can still wear her Smith jersey with pride and won't have to see him on another team.

Thanks for the memories and inspiration, Alex. We're a lucky fanbase to have gone through this story with you.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281542]Kudos to Smith on a good career, he defied the odds.. This is the best decision for him[/quote]

+1 :woot:

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I wonder what he's going to do now. Not that he has to do anything. I'd chill.

But given his track record, I don't see him sitting still for very long. I wonder if he'll try to stay close to the game -- coaching, front office, or broadcasting ....

Anyway -- a good dude. He represented us well. Glad he wore the burgundy and gold.

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Kudos to Smith for the great comeback.. Unfortunately it sounds like he still hasn't fully recovered yet so I'm not surprised that there are no teams that would sign him as a starter. At least Smith and the world know that he was able to overcome one of the most difficult things in life.

I wonder if Smith would be interested in a coaching position in near future.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281542]Kudos to Smith on a good career, he defied the odds.. This is the best decision for him[/quote]

+1

He might not understand it right now but it's for the best. Best of luck to him in his next path.

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I came back here for today to wish Alex Smith the best.

I think he knew the writing was on the wall at the end of last season when his calf couldn't get better. He was "banged up" after only playing a few games and I think it was clear that he was reaching the limits of what he was physically capable of with an injury like he had.

But his comeback is an all time amazing inspirational story. I hope to see him around the NFL in some capacity. He brings a lot to any football program.

I still think he would have continued playing, or at least tried to, if someone had gave him the opportunity to start, but it was clear that wasn't going to happen. And to be honest every time he got hit, I was afraid to watch. I'm sure the NFL teams felt the same way. Now he can live a healthy and happy life and be there for his kids and family, which is all he said he wanted to accomplish out of the "comeback", knowing if he could do it again, which he said on the Alex Smith Project documentary last year.

Best wishes Alex, thank you for everything!

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He was a hell of a QB , definitely the right move to retire . It's the best for his family as well as for him! Best O luck to him!

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What are we gonna do at qb now.

I keed I keed.

I never thought he would play another down after that injury..he came back and showed the world a level of perseverance, and stick to it-ness that us mere mortals can't understand.
It was very evident, though (and understandably so) he was a shell of his former self. I shattered my femur into 15 or so pieces when I was younger...and just learning to walk again and putting weight on it took a ton of faith. To suffer his injury and play at a professio nal level....just whoa. We all look at the physical part of it.....but the mental wherewithal to get back on the field after that gruesome injury is beyond what most people can comprehend. I remember walking into a pool hall after my injury and just being worried about tripping on a step.....
Holy shit....Alex Smith is an animal...
Enjoy retirement buddy. You deserve it

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He’s building a new house in my neighborhood and it looks like it will be done relatively soon. Will be cool to see him around town. I ride by the house most days. Kinda neat.


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[quote=Giantone;1281571]He was a hell of a QB , definitely the right move to retire . It's the best for his family as well as for him! Best O luck to him![/quote]

Even after his injury, he was still more mobile than Eli Manning.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1281763]Even after his injury, he was still more mobile than Eli Manning.[/quote]

And more coordinated than Danial Jones.

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[QUOTE=MissouriSkin;1281765]And more coordinated than Danial Jones.[/QUOTE]

With better teeth than Michael Strahan

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1281765]And more coordinated than Danial Jones.[/quote]

You spelled Danielle wrong.