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[quote=Monkeydad;1280413]Some local PA news stories...

2018 fight with teammate -
[url]https://www.abc27.com/sports/former-penn-state-player-details-fight-with-micah-parsons-claims-james-franklin-told-him-not-to-talk-to-police-according-to-espn/[/url]

2016 suspended from his high school for inciting a riot
[url]https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2016/10/penn_state_commit_micah_parson_3.html[/url][/quote]

I can't get to that link fron europe.... whats the giste?

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Haha, that's fast work

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280413]Some local PA news stories...

2018 fight with teammate -
[url]https://www.abc27.com/sports/former-penn-state-player-details-fight-with-micah-parsons-claims-james-franklin-told-him-not-to-talk-to-police-according-to-espn/[/url]

2016 suspended from his high school for inciting a riot, had to change schools
[url]https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2016/10/penn_state_commit_micah_parson_3.html[/url][/quote]

Not a whole lot of "there" there...

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1280415]I can't get to that link fron europe.... whats the giste?[/quote]

2018 fight with teammate, started when Parsons came into the study area and poured water on him and his laptop. Was so intense, punching and choking, that teammate pulled a knife on Parsons to end it. Then Parsons didn't cooperate with police and claimed Coach James Franklin told him not to talk to police.

2016, Parsons came into high school cafeteria and called out a teammate from across the room, started a fight that turned into a riot. Race card was played and apparently it was all from some stupid girls' social media post.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280417]Not a whole lot of "there" there...[/quote]

Enough for half of the teams to take him off their draft boards.

There is a lot of risk.


He also sat out last season.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280419]2018 fight with teammate, started when Parsons came into the study area and poured water on him and his laptop. Was so intense, punching and choking, that teammate pulled a knife on Parsons to end it. Then Parsons didn't cooperate with police and claimed Coach James Franklin told him not to talk to police.

2016, Parsons came into high school cafeteria and called out a teammate from across the room, started a fight that turned into a riot. Race card was played and apparently it was all from some stupid girls' social media post.[/quote]

I don't see anything in that article that says Parsons didn't cooperate with the police. I do see that his teammate alleged that the Coach told him (Humphries) not to talk to the police...

I don't see anything alarming in either incident.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280420]Enough for half of the teams to take him off their draft boards.

There is a lot of risk.


He also sat out last season.[/quote]

Half the teams? Sweet, then he will definitely fall to 19.

A lot of players sat out last year due to COVID including Ja'Marr Chase, Penei Sewell, Rashawn Slater, Gregory Rousseau, Rondale Moore, Caleb Farley, all of whom will likely be selected in the 1st round.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280413]Some local PA news stories...

2018 fight with teammate -
[url]https://www.abc27.com/sports/former-penn-state-player-details-fight-with-micah-parsons-claims-james-franklin-told-him-not-to-talk-to-police-according-to-espn/[/url]

2016 suspended from his high school for inciting a riot, had to change schools
[url]https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2016/10/penn_state_commit_micah_parson_3.html[/url][/quote]

Didn’t know all this

Gotta remember these days, inciting a riot is ok depending on what kinda riot

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Tough call on Parsons. I wouldn't trade up for him, but if those were the only things, and Rivera feels comfortable with him, I'd gladly take him at 19.

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Pass on Parsons.

And I would be surprised if we weren't one of the teams who took him off their board

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[quote=simbosargos75;1280459]Pass on Parsons.

And I would be surprised if we weren't one of the teams who took him off their board[/quote]


Of LB possibilities, I am warming up to the Tulsa kid .. Zaven Collins.

6'4" 260 ... a big boy, but with speed to cover sideline to sideline. Run stopping, fumble causing kinda LB ... but also the cover skills to pick off passes, and take them back to the house.

He sounds like a freak.

And all this would only be enhanced behind our line of freaks.


I know we need serious offensive help ... but adding this kind of linebacker would make our D something crazy special.

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This draft is strong in all the spots we need besides TE. There are a few guys there tho too, just not quite as deep.

Draft is 1 month from today. Yes!!

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1280460]Of LB possibilities, I am warming up to the Tulsa kid .. Zaven Collins.

6'4" 260 ... a big boy, but with speed to cover sideline to sideline. Run stopping, fumble causing kinda LB ... but also the cover skills to pick off passes, and take them back to the house.

He sounds like a freak.

And all this would only be enhanced behind our line of freaks.


I know we need serious offensive help ... but adding this kind of linebacker would make our D something crazy special.[/quote]


100% agree, he is tall like our lineman, would really affect throwing lanes and could use him in a hybrid role like Isaiah Simmons....

In our defense, he would be another athletic freak (young, sweat) that would really make plays all over the field with his coverage skills

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Another good choice at 19, a blocker for Fitz: [B] Teven Jenkins, OK State
[/B]

[url]https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/teven-jenkins/MGMctYsV60[/url]

[url]https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2021/02/04/can-teven-jenkins-snap-oklahomas-states-first-round-nfl-draft-woes/[/url]

[url]https://fullpresscoverage.com/2021/03/22/2021-packers-prospect-profile-teven-jenkins/[/url]

[url]https://www.steelernation.com/2021-draft-profile-oklahoma-states-teven-jenkins/[/url]

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If Micah Parsons is there at 19, I think we do an Orakpo and make our pick without waiting the clock out.

Highly doubt he is though.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280421]I don't see anything in that article that says Parsons didn't cooperate with the police. I do see that his teammate alleged that the Coach told him (Humphries) not to talk to the police...

I don't see anything alarming in either incident.[/quote]

You don't see anything alarming? If Foster (who also had baggage and fell) and Parsons were coming out the same year most, if not all, would choose Foster easily over him. Of course no one would draft Foster in the 1st round now knowing how that went.

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[quote=SunnySide;1280482]If Micah Parsons is there at 19, I think we do an Orakpo and make our pick without waiting the clock out.

Highly doubt he is though.[/quote]

I think he will be there. It wouldn't even surprise me if he is there with our 2d rounder (I'd risk it then). Don't forget how Rueben Foster fell and he was a better prospect than Parsons is now.

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[quote=nonniey;1280489]You don't see anything alarming? If Foster (who also had baggage and fell) and Parsons were coming out the same year I'd choose Foster easily over him and don't think anyone would draft Foster in the 1st round now knowing how that went.[/quote]

What exactly do you see that scares you away from him?

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I kinda like the inciting a riot vibe at the MLB position on the field, that is what he should be doing. I’d take Parsons

Better than the masseuse tuggy vibe at QB

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I guess calling someone out for being racist = inciting a riot.

Maybe the school Principal should have handled the racism part of the scenario rather than [I]empowering[/I] the alleged racists by accusing Parsons of inciting a riot for calling them out.

Good for him for calling them out. You don't get to pose for AND POST a picture that says "You stupid N***er" and just get away with it...

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We are not trading the farm to move into the top 5-7. Not Ron’s style. Like others have said, MAYBE moving up a couple spots at most if there’s a guy there they covet. Otherwise it’ll be BPA for us or move back for more picks if a trade partner is available.

Every year this are always reaches and guys that fall in the 1st round they no one expects. We may very well still be able to end up with a top choice at 19.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1280524]We are not trading the farm to move into the top 5-7. Not Ron’s style. Like others have said, MAYBE moving up a couple spots at most if there’s a guy there they covet. Otherwise it’ll be BPA for us or move back for more picks if a trade partner is available.

Every year this are always reaches and guys that fall in the 1st round they no one expects. We may very well still be able to end up with a top choice at 19.[/quote]

Agreed. I don't see them moving into the top 10. I hope they stay put or trade back and acquire more picks.

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Here's my mock from PFN with a couple trade-backs to acquire a total of six picks in the first four rounds and a 2022 2nd.

32: OT Jalen Mayfield - Michigan (trade)
51: LB Nick Bolton - Missouri
64: WR Amon-Ra St. Brown - USC (trade)
75: S Jevon Holland - Oregon (trade)
82: TE Brevin Jordan - Miami
138: QB Jamie Newman - Georgia (trade)
244: OT Josh Ball - Marshall
246: DT Ta'Quon Graham - Texas

2022 TB 2nd

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280531]Here's my mock from PFN with a couple trade-backs to acquire a total of six picks in the first four rounds and a 2022 2nd.

32: OT Jalen Mayfield - Michigan (trade)
51: LB Nick Bolton - Missouri
64: WR Amon-Ra St. Brown - USC (trade)
75: S Jevon Holland - Oregon (trade)
82: TE Brevin Jordan - Miami
138: QB Jamie Newman - Georgia (trade)
244: OT Josh Ball - Marshall
246: DT Ta'Quon Graham - Texas

2022 TB 2nd[/quote]


I love having 5 picks in the first 82.

I'm not a big Jamie Newman guy, but that could be my Louisville Cardinal bias coming out. He could pan out.

Solid work.

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[quote=Chico23231;1280427]Didn’t know all this

Gotta remember these days, inciting a riot is ok depending on what kinda riot[/quote]

NO, RIOTS are not ok! Period!

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[quote=simbosargos75;1280459]Pass on Parsons.

And I would be surprised if we weren't one of the teams who took him off their board[/quote]

I would run to select Parsons if he were available. We don't need a room of choir boys, we need football players. Parsons is a VERY good football player. Would you have wanted Ray Lewis? He was a great player, but did far worse things than Parsons has done.

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You obviously do your homework on a guy like Parsons, I trust Ron here

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[quote=MTK;1280551]You obviously do your homework on a guy like Parsons, I trust Ron here[/quote]

That's it right there.

It's all a good discussion, but I think there is probably zero chance he falls past 12, and most likely not out of the top 10.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280583]That's it right there.

It's all a good discussion, but I think there is probably zero chance he falls past 12, and most likely not out of the top 10.[/quote]

There's definitely a chance.

Up to 5 QBS could go in the top 10.

Then Penei Sewell and Rashawn Slater, OT.

And Ja'Marr Chase, Devonta Smith, Jaylen Wadle at WR.

Plus Kyle Pitts, TE and Patrick Surtain II, CB.



Parsons will probably fall within or just after that list of players...so top 10 is possible but not guaranteed, especially with so many teams not considering him.

There's a chance LB Zaven Collins goes before him too. I'd take him over Parsons here.



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19: R1 P19 LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
51: R2 P19 OT Sam Cosmi - Texas
74: R3 P10 TE Brevin Jordan - Miami (FL)
82: R3 P18 QB Davis Mills - Stanford
124: R4 P19 LB Monty Rice - Georgia
163: R5 P19 WR Shi Smith - South Carolina
244: R7 P16 CB Darren Hall - San Diego State
246: R7 P18 S Paris Ford - Pittsburgh

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^ That's a great draft, quality at the positions of most need.

We've bought a year at QB. We don't have to draft one this year, we can roll with Fitz and see if Heinicke is a long-term answer. If he's not, we draft one high next season...or get Aaron Rodgers who should be available. :D

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1280588]19: R1 P19 LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
51: R2 P19 OT Sam Cosmi - Texas
74: R3 P10 TE Brevin Jordan - Miami (FL)
82: R3 P18 QB Davis Mills - Stanford
124: R4 P19 LB Monty Rice - Georgia
163: R5 P19 WR Shi Smith - South Carolina
244: R7 P16 CB Darren Hall - San Diego State
246: R7 P18 S Paris Ford - Pittsburgh[/quote]

Cosmi is one of those Tackles I like in the 2-3rd...ND guy as well. Also the Walker guy from Stanford wouldn’t be bad late 3-4th.

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[quote=Chico23231;1280592]Cosmi is one of those Tackles I like in the 2-3rd...ND guy as well. Also the Walker guy from Stanford wouldn’t be bad late 3-4th.[/quote]

We should definitely be able to land a solid T with 1 of the 1st 3 picks. There are some good options outside of the 1st.

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I remember a certain wasted second round pick just a few years ago, Derrius Guice. He dropped like a lead weight for serious reasons and our then weak ass FO drafted him despite the red flags.
When investing a highly valuable asset like high draft and at 19 in this deep draft there are other options available. Don't become blinded.

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[quote=Defensewins;1280596]I remember a certain wasted second round pick just a few years ago, Derrius Guice. He dropped like a lead weight for serious reasons and our then weak ass FO drafted him despite the red flags.
When investing a highly valuable asset like high draft and at 19 in this deep draft there are other options available. Don't become blinded.[/quote]

I totally agree that they have to do their homework on who they pick, but with Parsons, unless there is something out there that I haven't seen, I see zero red flags. There's definitely nothing there comparable to Derrius Guice's track record (that I'm aware of).

I think it's probably a moot argument anyway, there's no way he'll be there at 19.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1280297]Time for a fresh start..

1 Month away from the Draft!

What are some of your thoughts on players to target at 19?

Now that this offense is all but assembled, I think you can go BPA at 19 or even trade down..

My top 3 guys right now are :

Z. Collins - LB / Tulsa
C. Derrisaw - LT / VT
T . Moehrig - S / TCU[/QUOTE]


I really like your choices here for the #19 draft pick!!

I was convinced that the team would go for the best OT on the board, but I think they may also go for the best LB or S available.

If you get an elite S you get to drop that horrible Collins contract (ANOTHER Bruce Allen terd) and get an instant upgrade. The team may still bring in Boston (depending on the draft) as a short term fix.

We need an excellent LB. - especially in the middle for the 4-3. Adding a highly talented LB will really improve the defense. Boston is just not cutting it t

I think the team will go for OT AND OG in the 2-4 rounds of the draft. Worst case build up our depth; best case and you solidify the position for 5-10 years.

I think they’ll go for middle LB in the first round. Instant upgrade for the defense!


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I think the secondary will be better with the addition of Jackson and with Collins coming back. With this D-line they don't have to be a shutdown secondary anyway.

The priority has to be LB. I hope they go LB - OT - LB with the first three picks.

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[quote=Warthog;1280604]I really like your choices here for the #19 draft pick!!

I was convinced that the team would go for the best OT on the board, but I think they may also go for the best LB or S available.

If you get an elite S you get to drop that horrible Collins contract (ANOTHER Bruce Allen terd) and get an instant upgrade. The team may still bring in Boston (depending on the draft) as a short term fix.

We need an excellent LB. - especially in the middle for the 4-3. Adding a highly talented LB will really improve the defense. Boston is just not cutting it t

I think the team will go for OT AND OG in the 2-4 rounds of the draft. Worst case build up our depth; best case and you solidify the position for 5-10 years.

I think they’ll go for middle LB in the first round. Instant upgrade for the defense!


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Yeah if we can grab Collins or the kid from ND in the first I'm stoked! Our offense could use Derrisaw so I'd be happy there too. No need for WR or even QB at 19 IMO (Unless it's Lance)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1280625]Yeah if we can grab Collins or the kid from ND in the first I'm stoked! Our offense could use Derrisaw so I'd be happy there too. No need for WR or even QB at 19 IMO (Unless it's Lance)[/quote]

Yes to ND kid.


[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-nfl-draft-is-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-the-sleeper-pick[/url]

Watch at 4:15. :)

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I think a team led by Ron Rivera and Jack Del Rio will definitely lean toward LB at the 19th pick.

I dig the Tulsa kid, but wouldn't hate Parsons.

Adding a bad ass LB to our front line gives me goose bumps.