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[quote=Monkeydad;1281674]Someone predicting we take Travis Etienne:


[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/peter-schrager-has-washington-going-unusual-direction-no-19-latest-mock?cid=Yahoo&partner=ya4nbcs[/url][/quote]

Flat out dumb. Ain't happening. We are more than fine at RB.

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[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1281697]Interesting piece on Riggo's Rag where WFT trades down once, and then again out of the 1st round. compiling picks in this AND next year's draft ... arming WFT to make a move up for the QB of the future next year, while filling holes all over in this year's draft.



I could go for that honestly. Lots of IF's in this .... but not bad either.



[url]https://riggosrag.com/2021/04/20/pre-draft-reality-checks-for-the-washington-football-team/[/url][/QUOTE]I would be ok with that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1281701]I would be ok with that.

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The more I think about it, I think what I like most is putting ourselves in position to make a huge move UP next year, to snag whichever QB we want.

Sure we stockpile a bunch of picks for this year.

But at the same time putting yourself in position next year, is also exciting.

Early look at best QB's in coming year:

Sam Howell, UNC
Kedon Slovis, USC
Bo Nix, Auburn (ahhh, maybe)
Spencer Rattler, Oklahoma
Layne Hatcher, Arkansas State (transferred from Bama)
Desmond Ritter, Cincinnati
Dustin Crum, Kent State
Jacob Zeno, Baylor
Spencer Sanders, Oklahoma State
JT Daniels, Georgia

Plus several others who could emerge -- Purdy, Iowa State; Tanner, Minnesota; my guy Malik Cunningham, Louisville ...

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[quote=MTK;1281671]I'd take Mills all day over Mond.[/quote]

I’m not in favor of a project quarterback. I feel like it’s a waste of a pick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281563]I'd put QB at 4th, I just don't see it being a huge need right now. If Lance were to fall past 10 then i could see why they'd move up but thats about it[/quote]

QB is hands down our biggest need, but that doesn't mean you reach for one.
We have Fitz who has never led a team to playoffs in 18 years, Allen who blows, and Hein who has potential but is certainly not a proven franchise QB (and who won't get that chance while we waste reps on Fitz-never-won-squat). This is at the most important position in sports, where we have no long term answer. You can draft a LB, a FS, a TE, a LT, etc., we're still not sniffing a SB without a true franchise QB.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1281650]It's really not just as simple as BPA. I do think teams go into the draft with the players ranked and the BPA strategy in mind, and they try to stick to that, but no team sticks to that exclusively when it’s time for them to execute in reality. Ultimately, if they decide another position is more valuable, or another player is more of a fit for the system and they believe he will turn into a productive player, they will stray from the BPA strategy.

For example, if the highest rated player on their board when they pick at #19 is a defensive end, I guarantee you they won't draft him. They'll take the next highest ranked player at a position of need, who fits their system (or they'll try to trade out).

Last year it was easy in the first round. Chase Young was the best player in the draft. For Jacksonville this year, it's easy. Trevor Lawrence has been the #1 pick in the 2021 draft for about four years now.

It's not always that cut and dry though. That's why they get 10 minutes to make a selection, and most of them take it all.[/quote]

If highest rated DE, you trade down, as you noted. But the truth is taking a player at any position except DL would be okay with 1st round pick this year, so odds are a player you can use is there.
If player ranked #10 or #12 on board sitting there at 19, you take them. If players ranked 18,19,20 are, and minor difference in talent grade, need factors in. Good teams don't pigeonhole need with high picks, long term you end up MUCH more talented by going BPA early rounds. If you go BPA for a decade with 10 1st round picks, versus drafting guys slotted much lower for need, your roster is MUCH, MUCH more talented.

Later in draft there will generally be more players with similar grades, easier to target need, though some players will always drop. You go BPA consistently, round out with FA. That is how dynasties are built.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1281577]I am hoping 5 qbs go in the first 10. The talent that falls down to around 11-15 would be worth jumping up for, especially if a few WRs get taken off also.[/quote]

Nope. You stand pat or trade back unless trading up for QB. We have too many holes to be trading up for non-QBs, and perhaps even for QB. If top-5 QBs fall to 14 or so, trading up becomes interesting.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281636]Scalper, cred, gridiron...answer the damn question.

Tell me who they take at 19[/quote]

There is not enough reliable information to make anything except a blind guess, which is all most mock drafts are. I also think some of the names draftniks love are not those FOs love.

I think top-3 QBs and Sewell, Pitts, Chase go top-10 or before we pick. Beyond that, who knows?

You'd love to see teams draft 5 QBs and 3-4 WRs before we pick so we get a guy rated much higher than 19, but. . .

If we have no T with high grade left on board and all 5 QBs gone, I hope we trade back, barring something absurd like Parsons falling. I prefer proven PASS blocking LTs, I don't care about run blocking, which means some Ts draftniks rate high I would have no interest in.

If we exit round 1 with one of franchise LTs, that would be best outcome in my opinion. As to who we'll pick, I don't know nor does anyone, so seems pointless to just throw darts at a board. Most years don't find franchise LT sitting there at 20 or so where we hopefully pick long term, so get one now. You can always find LBs or WRs. Stud pass blocking LTs much rarer, and again, one of 5 high-leverage positions. Outside of top-tier Ts, lot of guys in second tier very similar, trading down thus may be smart. My ideal draft would be multiple trade downs and we walk away with LT,RT,OLB,ILB,OLB,FS,FS,QB,QB,RB,WR,CB,TE,TE. That's 14 picks we could easily make, even if you knock one or two off, 12 picks. I would much rather have 2 #2s and 3 #3s and 2 #4s (or whatever) and no #1 and maybe get 5-6 starters--unless franchise LT sitting there at 19. We still have severe talent deficit from previous mismanagement and need 10-15 quality players. Thus I would trade down every chance I could so next year we don't have to sign 8 FAs and still don't have holes all over roster. This is MUCH more important than any single player at any pick, except a franchise QB or franchise LT. If I were GM, my focus would be drafting 2 QBs (never would have signed Fitz) and drafting 2 Ts so can let Moses and Lucas walk next year, without reaching for need. If LB waits a year, not optimal, but oh well. You win in trenches and never win multiple SBs without franchise QB, so I'd be using lottery picks on QB without trading up and focus on making OL as dominant as DL.

Will be interesting if Lance or Jones falls to 13 or so, and if we trade up, but who knows if that will happen.

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Probably 3 terrible busts from the top 5 QB this year.

Jones, Lance stand out immediately. Fields in that group too.

Never before have I heard so much certainty from so called experts on these guys when it comes to potential. These fuckin clowns.

I would avoid first round QB this year, it’s a wildly overrated class. Skins should also not draft one in the second round, third rounds. We have 3 QB on the roster, take this year to continue to add talent to the areas we need it most, it would be much more impactful

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[quote=Scalper;1281708]There is not enough reliable information to make anything except a blind guess, which is all most mock drafts are. I also think some of the names draftniks love are not those FOs love.

I think top-3 QBs and Sewell, Pitts, Chase go top-10 or before we pick. Beyond that, who knows?

You'd love to see teams draft 5 QBs and 3-4 WRs before we pick so we get a guy rated much higher than 19, but. . .

If we have no T with high grade left on board and all 5 QBs gone, I hope we trade back, barring something absurd like Parsons falling. I prefer proven PASS blocking LTs, I don't care about run blocking, which means some Ts draftniks rate high I would have no interest in.

If we exit round 1 with one of franchise LTs, that would be best outcome in my opinion. As to who we'll pick, I don't know nor does anyone, so seems pointless to just throw darts at a board. Most years don't find franchise LT sitting there at 20 or so where we hopefully pick long term, so get one now. You can always find LBs or WRs. Stud pass blocking LTs much rarer, and again, one of 5 high-leverage positions. Outside of top-tier Ts, lot of guys in second tier very similar, trading down thus may be smart. My ideal draft would be multiple trade downs and we walk away with LT,RT,OLB,ILB,OLB,FS,FS,QB,QB,RB,WR,CB,TE,TE. That's 14 picks we could easily make, even if you knock one or two off, 12 picks. I would much rather have 2 #2s and 3 #3s and 2 #4s (or whatever) and no #1 and maybe get 5-6 starters--unless franchise LT sitting there at 19. We still have severe talent deficit from previous mismanagement and need 10-15 quality players. Thus I would trade down every chance I could so next year we don't have to sign 8 FAs and still don't have holes all over roster. This is MUCH more important than any single player at any pick, except a franchise QB or franchise LT. If I were GM, my focus would be drafting 2 QBs (never would have signed Fitz) and drafting 2 Ts so can let Moses and Lucas walk next year, without reaching for need. If LB waits a year, not optimal, but oh well. You win in trenches and never win multiple SBs without franchise QB, so I'd be using lottery picks on QB without trading up and focus on making OL as dominant as DL.

Will be interesting if Lance or Jones falls to 13 or so, and if we trade up, but who knows if that will happen.[/quote]

Scalper, tell me who the franchise LT is at 19

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[quote=Chico23231;1281714]Probably 3 terrible busts from the top 5 QB this year.

Jones, Lance stand out immediately. Fields in that group too.

Never before have I heard so much certainty from so called experts on these guys when it comes to potential. These fuckin clowns.

I would avoid first round QB this year, it’s a wildly overrated class. Skins should also not draft one in the second round, third rounds. We have 3 QB on the roster, take this year to continue to add talent to the areas we need it most, it would be much more impactful[/quote]

Yeah out of the whole group I'd be shocked if 2 make it long term at most 3.

And I bet there will be a later RD GUY that has a Cousins like career

If I had to bet I'd say Lawrence of course and then Lance will be the 2 good ones. I just don't trust OSU QBs after Haskins.. I know they are different and Fields is way better but until its proven I won't buy it

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[quote=Chico23231;1281715]Scalper, tell me who the franchise LT is at 19[/quote]

Exactly.

There won't be one. You'd be better off trading the 19th pick for Orlando Brown Jr. if you are that bent on landing a "franchise" LT at that spot. BTW, I'm not suggesting they do that...

The only projected franchise LT in this draft is Sewell, and there are plenty of talent evaluators that have mixed opinions about that - given his year off. Slater is projected to be the 2nd OT off the board, but many think his best fit will be at guard, and that Darrisaw has a higher ceiling at LT than Slater. After that - Mayfield, Jenkins, Radunz, Little, Brown, Christensen, Leatherwood, Cosmi, Eichenberg... take your pick, but no need to draft one of these guys at 19.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281716]Yeah out of the whole group I'd be shocked if 2 make it long term at most 3.

And I bet there will be a later RD GUY that has a Cousins like career

If I had to bet I'd say Lawrence of course and then Lance will be the 2 good ones. I just don't trust OSU QBs after Haskins.. I know they are different and Fields is way better but until its proven I won't buy it[/quote]

I think the stats speak for themselves when drafting a QB in the first round. I have also read recently WR in the first round is widely volatile as well.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281714]Probably 3 terrible busts from the top 5 QB this year.

Jones, Lance stand out immediately. Fields in that group too.

Never before have I heard so much certainty from so called experts on these guys when it comes to potential. These fuckin clowns.

I would avoid first round QB this year, it’s a wildly overrated class. Skins should also not draft one in the second round, third rounds. We have 3 QB on the roster, take this year to continue to add talent to the areas we need it most, it would be much more impactful[/quote]

Amen. Certainly not trade up. Historically speaking, 2-3 of 5 will bust. To me, Jones safer than Lance and Fields, but who knows, he doesn't have elite athleticism but is more like Peyton Manning or Brees 2.0. Without tons of talent, he could fall off a cliff though.

Historically speaking, one of next 5-10 QBs after top-5 will be better than half of top-5. Question is which ones? A good FO can find the ones, and we can still get a franchise LT or whatever in 1st round.

If you put a gun to my head and forced me to roll the dice on Lance, Fields, or Jones, it is tough because Jones is safe pick, but Lance has a CANNON arm. So hard to find franchise QB, but I'm rolling dice, would at least be a guy with elite arm. Would be very interesting to see film of Jones making NFL throws only, rather than the gravy throws on his highlight reels.

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This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

[url]https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2021/04/moms-biggest-blessing.html[/url]

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History shows 2 or 3 out of the 5 that will go in the first round will bust. Jones to me isn't even a first rounder.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1281776]This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

[url]https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2021/04/moms-biggest-blessing.html[/url][/quote]

This is an outstanding article...thanks for sharing.

Parsons could be the best defensive player in the class...I wouldn’t have a problem moving up a little if he fell

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I don't think Parsons will be there at 19

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But I thought he had all kind of character issues and red flags that would cause him to slide...

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Micah Parsons is not falling to us and 19, but if he did it you should hand that card in immediately.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1281776]This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

[url]https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2021/04/moms-biggest-blessing.html[/url][/quote]

His mom thinking about murdering him as a baby has zero relevance to his draft status.

It's a local feel-good article about a Penn State player.


There are legitimate reasons so many teams do not want to draft him.

He may actually fall to 19 and if we're in a gambling mood on character issues, we might take him. It bit us hard with Guice last time we tried to overlook character issues.



Id rather take Zavan Collins or Owusu-Koramoah.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1281808]Micah Parsons is not falling to us and 19, but if he did it you should hand that card in immediately.[/quote]

Absolutely a no brainer. But like you said, there's zero chance he's there at 19.

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If there weren't this crazy infatuation with this year's "top 5" QBs, he'd be gone inside 5. He still might be.

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CB Asante Samuel ... thats my pick as who we take. A bit early but some reports have him being the best CB in the draft, bit undersized, CB is not a huge need now for us but I think they go BPA based on their board and they have Samuel high.

edit - I dont think I would take Samuel at 19 personally, trade back into late1st yes but not at 19. This is my guess on what the skins will do.

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WFT should stick at 19 and take whichever player is ranked highest on this list who remains available when they pick:

1) Trevor Lawrence
2) Zach Wilson
3) Penei Sewell
4) Kyle Pitts
5tie) Jaylen Waddle
5tie) Ja'Marr Chase
7) Justin Fields
8) Micah Parsons
9) Trey Lance
10) Caleb Farley
11) DeVonta Smith
12) Patrick Surtain
13tie) Rashawn Slater
13tie) Christian Darrisaw
15) Mac Jones
16) Teven Jenkins
17) Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
18) Zaven Collins
19) Alijah Vera-Tucker (G-T versatility)

There are some edge dudes that belong in this top 19 list, but like F we need an edge. Boy does it feel good to say that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1281825]WFT should stick at 19 and take whichever player is ranked highest on this list who remains available when they pick:

1) Trevor Lawrence
2) Zach Wilson
3) Penei Sewell
4) Kyle Pitts
5tie) Jaylen Waddle
5tie) Ja'Marr Chase
7) Justin Fields
8) Micah Parsons
9) Trey Lance
10) Caleb Farley
11) DeVonta Smith
12) Patrick Surtain
13tie) Rashawn Slater
13tie) Christian Darrisaw
15) Mac Jones
16) Teven Jenkins
17) Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
18) Zaven Collins
19) Alijah Vera-Tucker (G-T versatility)

There are some edge dudes that belong in this top 19 list, but like F we need an edge. Boy does it feel good to say that.[/quote]

Good list. I want to make my own top 19 big board (specific to our team) prior to the draft.

Only 1 week away baby!!

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OT Christian Darrisaw

LB JEREMIAH OWUSU-KORAMOAH

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[quote=skinsfan69;1281780]History shows 2 or 3 out of the 5 that will go in the first round will bust. Jones to me isn't even a first rounder.[/quote]

Physical talent, maybe not even a 2nd rounder.
But QB is 90% mental and mechanics. We see all sorts of athletic freaks, Jackson, Newton, etc., who never win big because they can't read Ds super fast mentally, aren't accurate, etc. Brees, Manning, Brady, Montana, guys in playoffs (or were) year in and out, are much more like Jones than any of QBs rated higher except of course Lawrence.
Not saying I know, but you see so many great athletes who can't ever elevate mentally, and never have to correct mechanics because they always take off running. Pocket passers win long term in NFL. So lots of teams may place a premium on a guy they KNOW has that 90% of game down and is elite mentally, even if some athletic limitations. Again not saying I know, but the interesting thing is that people who know QBs--professionals who feed their families scouting--disagree so strongly.
Lance and Fields may never be able to read a D and be pocket passers and could be total busts. Jones may never have the arm to punish you deep, but should be at least a serviceable starter. Which is a greater liability? I do not know, but opinions vary. I would say I would feel a hell of a lot better taking a guy like Jones near 20 rather than top 10.
Lance's arm strength is really intriguing, but he should be rated 2nd or 3rd round, but sheer demand of market drives that price much higher and always will for QBs. So what do you do?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1281790]But I thought he had all kind of character issues and red flags that would cause him to slide...[/quote]

I heard the same thing. They talked about it at length the other day on SiriusXM NFL Radio, one incident was in high school. Another was alleged with a civil suit against his college by a former teammate (safety) but he was not named directly in the suit. The other issue was some comments made on social media while being recruited by Ohio State and they wound up ghosting him. A couple of people I have heard have couches for his character and said his issues were in high school when he was younger.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1281876]I heard the same thing. They talked about it at length the other day on SiriusXM NFL Radio, one incident was in high school. Another was alleged with a civil suit against his college by a former teammate (safety) but he was not named directly in the suit. The other issue was some comments made on social media while being recruited by Ohio State and they wound up ghosting him. A couple of people I have heard have couches for his character and said his issues were in high school when he was younger.[/quote]

You don't magically become a fundamentally different person in college. You don't win drafting criminals, period. Maybe it never becomes an issue, but not worth the risk. We just cut wasted 2nd round pick (Guice), plus Dunbar and others, you don't take those risks with 1st round picks.

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[quote=Chico23231;1281715]Scalper, tell me who the franchise LT is at 19[/quote]

I'm not a professional scout, LOL.
I think Sewell long gone. Darrisaw viewed as equal good pass run blocker, Slater as better pure pass blocker, but both very good. I'd be happy with either. Most pundits have those as the big-3 tackles, top 3, with dropoff to next tier. Whether that is accurate I cannot say. Then you have about 8 tackles with 2nd round grades. A couple are certainly going to pan out better than others, but which ones? Different people have different opinions. I don't want to spend a 1st round pick on LT to get elite run blocker, it is a high leverage position because it protects your QB from the Chase Youngs of the world. I also don't want to spend that pick on a player we slide to G permanently (the Scherff problem of owing a G $20M end of rookie deal, McL drafted him saying he's a T). I want the best pass protector, and one that is elite.

If you have the next 8 tackles all rated about same, no reason you couldn't trade down and still get franchise LT. You could also trade end of 1st round and pick non-5 QB you like to make sure you get him.

Leatherwood viewed as dominant run blocker first. So is Jenkins. Cosmi played both Ts, prefer someone who was strictly LT (flashed athleticism to be unequivocal LT). Eichenberg and Tucker short arms, many project to G. We don't need at G at 19. Tucker some list as 4th T and in group with the top-3 going top-20. Carman not dominant pass blocker. Eichenberg seems more like RT. And so forth. Radunz they talk about at G, but seems like could play T, but like him better 2nd round. Little bit of x-factor. Tucker, if you believe he's a LT, seems more like end of 1st round pick. I only see three players that unequivocally make sense at LT at 19, Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, but most think all three gone by 19. If you assume all 5 QBs gone, plus Pitts Chase, that is 10 picks. Parsons should be off your board for character flag, but hopefully someone takes him first, 11 picks. Then you figure couple edge rushers, couple more WRs, takes you to 15. Figure 2 corners, 17. At 19 you might BPA be looking at a corner, Farley or Horn. Maybe DL or Moehrig gets taken before us, maybe not. Think some good WRs could be there also, but I get feeling based on signing basically NO ONE at LB in FA, that we will go LB early in draft if not 1st round.

I don't love TOK. He's a playmaker, but he's basically a S at LB. Going to take a beating in NFL being so light, not unprecedented, and you could do worse, would certainly end some of torching in coverage, but I see big RBs running outside a lot with him there and getting big gains. . . You still have to rate him higher than most of the second tier LTs though.

I would rather take a CB or WR at #19 if BPA, we can't tie up any more major money at either position in FA for several years except to extend McL, so having guys on rookie deal not dumb, and can extend after Samuel or Jackson deals expire. That is probably smartest LONG TERM move, fill one of 5 high leverage positions and lock it up long term, assuming player you are picking scouts out as 10 year starter. We could, in particular, use a third CB, and Fuller much better in slot, to say nothing of nickel, injury, etc.

It sucks such thin draft for FS at top.

I basically don't love anyone available when we pick, barring QB or LT falling, one of top ones. If you are determined to fill need at LB with LT and QB not available (2 high leverage positions), rather than going BPA which is probably WR or CB, then I would trade back to late 1st early second, pickup 2-3 add'l picks, and draft one of second-tier LTs or a LB or QB. How much better is JOK than Cox or Davis? If you could trade back to say 45 and add a 2nd round pick, and get Cox or Davis instead of JOK and a LT or QB, do you? I do. Simply because bust rate is 50%, you add two more picks, you get 1 more non-bust. We have been basically adding 3 starters and 1 solid backup per draft, with about 8 picks or so, recently. I would trade back and try and make that 5 starters and 2 solid backups, to continue filling out our roster.

That being said, I would not be surprised to see FO take JOK and fill biggest need that can be filled (there being no FS, QB, LT, etc.). If lots of players we like are gone early, trade down offers limited, and good value trade up, I could also see them moving to 10 or 14 or so and drafting QB. Whatever they will do, what I would do is trade down every time I could. I would call all 31 teams for every pick, field all trade down offers, and take any reasonable offer I could get, with emphasis on (1) pick this year's draft, (1) add'l pick this years draft and (1) pick next year's draft. I would gladly trade a 2nd for a 3rd and 4th this year and a 3rd next year, for example. I'd do that 5 times if I could. Then you have 3 3rds and a 4th this year, I'd trade a 3rd for a 4th, 5th this year, plus a 4th next year (you'd really need one other pick to make sense), and so forth. You basically bump every pick down a round to pick up 1 add'l pick minimum, ideally 2 add'l and one next year. You then have 4-5 more picks this year, 3-4 more next year, for what in aggregate represents surrendering 2nd round pick, though I'd trade 1st as well. This again reflects philosophy that more lottery tickets better. I would do this every year until we have 10 picks per year minimum 3 years out, and until entire roster rounded out without having to sign 10 guys in FA every year. Only exceptions are franchise LT and franchise QB.

Many teams placing big premium on future picks this year, however, because COVID has so many players not playing who may never regain their peak form.

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If Parsons is there, I could see FO taking him despite character flags, while offering usual platitudes about having done their HW on him, etc.

I think we need a true thumper in middle more than anything else, even coverage LB, but you don't have to spend a super-high pick on one.

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There is some talk that if SF doesn't take Fields , he will slide to the teens

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281880]There is some talk that if SF doesn't take Fields , he will slide to the teens[/quote]

If that happens I doubt he'd get past NE

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[quote=MTK;1281881]If that happens I doubt he'd get past NE[/quote]

I'd imagine they will select him but then again BB loves to shock everyone

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[quote=Scalper;1281879]If Parsons is there, I could see FO taking him despite character flags, while offering usual platitudes about having done their HW on him, etc.

I think we need a true thumper in middle more than anything else, even coverage LB, but you don't have to spend a super-high pick on one.[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if he's off their board completely due to the red flags. Ron has been all in on culture since day 1. And this is probably the one team in the league right now that can't afford any more PR hits. The talent is very enticing though.

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Trey Lance

Man...I don’t think he is that good.

Lance weapon is his legs and his competition wasn’t even d1. He will not be able to take on nfl defenses like that...that guy loves to lower his shoulder.

This could be an RG3 type mistake and one we shouldn’t take.

Give me mond, mills, or trask later..do not throw away picks and set the franchise back again for Lance.

If they do, this new brain trust losses credit immediately. It should effectively cost jobs when it fails.

Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....
 

Prior to the draft when Jonathan Allen fell to us I didn't even have him on my list of prospective Redskins draft picks because I thought there was no way he could fall that far. Since then I learned not to assume that such things can't happen in the NFL Draft. Practically anything can happen.

Nevertheless, as for RR overlooking character red flags, I highly doubt that will happen because of how he has handled such issues in the past. Also, he has repeatedly made it plain that he intends to create a culture change on the WFT.

Re: With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....
 

Gonna be completely honest, I really didn’t see much of a character issue with Parsons.