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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1282258]Not that Fields was going to be selected #2 to the Jets. I mean the Jets are the Jets. Just because because they are supposedly locked in on Wilson, doesn't mean that Wilson is the better prospect.

Prior to the offseason, and before the draft order was official, there were only two QBs that were projected to be immediate franchise QBs. We know who was #1, and Fields was the #2.[/quote]

Cooley and a few others actually have Wilson ranked above Lawrence. I honestly haven't heard anyone call Fields the clear #2 prospect. At least not during this offseason.

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[quote=SunnySide;1282257]Lawrence-Fields were the 1-2 locks during the college football season .. past couple months Wilson replaced Fields, Jones jumped up the board and Lance kinda dropped to no. 5 best QB.

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Albert Breer for SI was one of the most accurate nfl mock draft guys last year .. he only does one mock, drops a day or two before the draft.

Darrisaw is his pick for us. Makes a ton of sense. If he is there, take him.

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/27/nfl-mock-draft-san-francisco-49ers-mac-jones-bengals-jamarr-chase[/url]

apparently he did several mocks this year ...[/quote]

2 years ago Haskins was being talked up as a top 5 pick and perhaps the first QB off the board during his 2019 season. A lot changes from September to the following May.

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And now the Falcons are accepting offers for Julio Jones.

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/26/2021-nfl-mock-draft-fmia-peter-king/[/url]

Surprises? Keep an eye on Atlanta. I can’t predict any bombshells. But a few things would not surprise me. Most notably, the Falcons putting the framework of a trade together for star wideout Julio Jones, and making the trade effective June 2. That way, Atlanta could split Jones’ cap charge between 2021 and 2022 instead of getting bashed with it all this year. So if such a trade happens, I expect it could involve a future pick or picks, nothing this year. (A future second-round pick as compensation seems fair to me.) Because such a trade wouldn’t be official till June, no picks in this draft could be involved. As for the interested team or teams, I would guess Las Vegas; Jon Gruden couldn’t resist Antonio Brown, and I doubt he could resist Julio Jones. New England too, and a couple of teams with clear receiver needs—Tennessee and Baltimore.

Now, the Falcons don’t really want to trade Julio Jones. He’s a franchise legend. But he’s 32, entering his 11th season, coming off a banged-up year with seven games missed due to injury, and the Falcons are in cap jail. If they could off-load his money and cushion it by splitting it between this year ($7.75 million) and next ($15.5 million), Atlanta’s cap charge on Jones this year goes down by a tad more than $15 million.

One final note here, to be very clear: I am not reporting the Falcons will trade Jones, or will probably trade Jones. I am saying it would not surprise me if it happened.

Three more trade names to watch:

• It won’t surprise me if the Niners make Jimmy Garoppolo more available than he’s been. In other words, instead of trying to get a first-round pick for him, maybe considering taking a two for him. I wonder if the Patriots would deal the 46th pick in the draft, or their second-rounder in 2022, for their old friend.

• I won’t be surprised if the Raiders move defensive end Carl Nassib.

• It won’t surprise me, if the Broncos do not draft a quarterback, to see Denver make a mid-round deal for Teddy Bridgewater with Carolina.

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One thing I love about the new regime is they are not leaking out anything.. All of the rumors are just "sources" and could all be smokescreens. It makes for a fun night tomorrow

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[quote=MTK;1282260]Cooley and a few others actually have Wilson ranked above Lawrence. I honestly haven't heard anyone call Fields the clear #2 prospect. At least not during this offseason.[/quote]

I've heard that about Wilson too.

The only think that is clear to me at this point is that there is a lot of disagreement on how these QBs should be ranked.

A lot of it is fit I guess, but I've seen Fields mocked at 32 and lower recently, which is absurd.

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Fields is definitely a way better prospect than Haskins was. I could care less about the Ohio St thing. I don't think he'd get past NE if he started to slide.

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I think we'll see some surprises with regard to when these QBs actually come off the board.

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Per the Athletic:

With the Patriots, these trade discussions are a strong indication they’ve found conviction in at least one of those top QBs, and word is they think highly of Justin Fields – highly enough that they’ve even spoken with the Falcons about the fourth pick."

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Bronco's traded for Bridgewater. Suspect that rules them out drafting a QB and it'll be a battle between him and Lock to start.

Depending on what the Panthers do I can see Bucky Brooks latest mock being very close to what happens. If the Panthers don't draft a QB (all in on Darnold) then I can easily see Jones or Fields coming to us at 19, as the Pats will take one of them, whether they trade up or not. Could make our decision harder; how do you ignore a potential franchise QB falling to you, even if he may not be your ideal choice?

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If Fields is there at 19, you take him. Period. I do no think there is any realistic chance that it will happen. But if it does, taking Fields at 19 is a no brainer and the biggest steal in the last five years of the draft.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1282078]Take it for what it is worth but La Canfora was saying he is hearing from GMs that Sewell will eventually be on the right side. I haven't heard that anywhere else though.[/QUOTE]

From La Canfora? Not worth much.

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Final mock draft. Not my favorite. But I'd be pretty happy with this.

19: R1 P19 OT Christian Darrisaw - Virginia Tech
51: R2 P19 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
74: R3 P10 S Hamsah Nasirildeen - Florida State
82: R3 P18 CB Kelvin Joseph - Kentucky
124: R4 P19 LB Derrick Barnes - Purdue
163: R5 P19 WR Josh Imatorbhebhe - Illinois
246: R7 P18 TE Cary Angeline - North Carolina State
258: R7 P30 TE Nick Eubanks - Michigan

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There is going to be a big time run on offensive players - quarterbacks, wide receivers, offensive linemen. Washington will have the opportunity to draft a top 5 defensive player.

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Final Mock

13 - Trade with LAC - They get 19 and 2022 2nd.
Justin Fields QB - OHST (I don't really see it happening but I'm trying to be different)

51 - Jamin Davis LB - KENTUCKY

74 - Jaelon Darden - WR- NORTH TEXAS

82 - Brady Christensen - OT - BYU

124 - Tyson Campbell - CB - UGA

163 - David Moore - OG - Grambling

244 - Paris Ford - S - PITT

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1282280]Final mock draft. Not my favorite. But I'd be pretty happy with this.

19: R1 P19 OT Christian Darrisaw - Virginia Tech
51: R2 P19 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
74: R3 P10 S Hamsah Nasirildeen - Florida State
82: R3 P18 CB Kelvin Joseph - Kentucky
124: R4 P19 LB Derrick Barnes - Purdue
163: R5 P19 WR Josh Imatorbhebhe - Illinois
246: R7 P18 TE Cary Angeline - North Carolina State
258: R7 P30 TE Nick Eubanks - Michigan[/quote]

I just don’t see Darrisaw falling to 19. LT is too important a need for him to fall that far IMO.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1282283]I just don’t see Darrisaw falling to 19. LT is too important a need for him to fall that far IMO.[/quote]

Agree, I think 2 QBs will fall further than people think.. If Atl doesn't go QB (Rumor is they are taking Pitts) then whoever SF doesn't take will start to slide down the boards.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282284]Agree, I think 2 QBs will fall further than people think.. If Atl doesn't go QB (Rumor is they are taking Pitts) then whoever SF doesn't take will start to slide down the boards.[/quote]

Agree but Carolina and Denver are still wildcards. They could still draft a rookie if they aren’t sold that their shiny new toys are their long term answer.

Think of it through this scenario: You (Panthers/Broncos) just bought a used widget (QB) from a neighbor (Jets/Panthers) because you needed one and are happy with your purchase. But then you go to the store (NFL Draft) and see a brand new widget (QB) with great reviews that has just gone on sale (fallen in the first round). Is it too tempting to pass up (draft)? Quite possibly.

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I think Carolina is ready to roll with Sam, Denver has Lock / Teddy. Both teams have way bigger needs especially Denver. I just don't see it

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1282280]Final mock draft. Not my favorite. But I'd be pretty happy with this.

19: R1 P19 OT Christian Darrisaw - Virginia Tech
51: R2 P19 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
74: R3 P10 S Hamsah Nasirildeen - Florida State
82: R3 P18 CB Kelvin Joseph - Kentucky
124: R4 P19 LB Derrick Barnes - Purdue
163: R5 P19 WR Josh Imatorbhebhe - Illinois
246: R7 P18 TE Cary Angeline - North Carolina State
258: R7 P30 TE Nick Eubanks - Michigan[/quote]

I’d be cool with this draft. I think a QB and or either a top OT, LB, WR, or CB will slide to 19.

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In a relatively quiet trade market thus far, the #Saints appear to be the team doing the most groundwork for a potential trade up. They’ve even called into the Top 10 to gauge value. For a CB? Would be a steep price, but they aren’t afraid to be bold...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282288]I think Carolina is ready to roll with Sam, Denver has Lock / Teddy. Both teams have way bigger needs especially Denver. I just don't see it[/quote]

This was my thinking when I posted earlier. Put it this way, Top 2 picks are all but nailed on. 49ers wouldn't trade up unless shooting for QB, so Lance, Fields or Jones are gone at #3. Atl can still go QB but just about everyone is saying they'll take Pitts (and I don't see them ready to move on from Ryan anyway). Of arguably QB needy teams from #5 to #18, I only see Den, Car, NE and maybe LV as candidates, but with these moves and other needs I think that list comes down to Car (Darnold now, AN Other in 2-3?), NE (anyone to take over from Cam soon as) as possible and LV on the outside. IF NE trade up they have to be taking QB, and if they trade with Car then the latter is definitely not taking QB. Eagles, Vikes and Giants might take QB as a future prospect but I doubt it; no noises to that effect and all have bigger needs.

So while it wouldn't surprise me greatly if 5 QB's are gone by pick 11, I wouldn't be surprised either if one of those 3 were available at 19. Again, would you take one of them if they were available?

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But then if the Saints do trade up to top 10....

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1282312]This was my thinking when I posted earlier. Put it this way, Top 2 picks are all but nailed on. 49ers wouldn't trade up unless shooting for QB, so Lance, Fields or Jones are gone at #3. Atl can still go QB but just about everyone is saying they'll take Pitts (and I don't see them ready to move on from Ryan anyway). Of arguably QB needy teams from #5 to #18, I only see Den, Car, NE and maybe LV as candidates, but with these moves and other needs I think that list comes down to Car (Darnold now, AN Other in 2-3?), NE (anyone to take over from Cam soon as) as possible and LV on the outside. IF NE trade up they have to be taking QB, and if they trade with Car then the latter is definitely not taking QB. Eagles, Vikes and Giants might take QB as a future prospect but I doubt it; no noises to that effect and all have bigger needs.

So while it wouldn't surprise me greatly if 5 QB's are gone by pick 11, I wouldn't be surprised either if one of those 3 were available at 19. Again, would you take one of them if they were available?[/quote]

I think historically more teams than you think reach for QBs. You can have an awesome TE, WR, whatever, but without a franchise QB it doesn't matter. And I think teams have that moment of clarity (or perhaps delusion) when a QB is sitting there. Coaches know they won't be employed long without a franchise QB usually.

I think first round picks, at least top-20, should be elite athletes. Every year players fall to 20-30 that end up being perennial studs or HOFers. Rodgers for example went 24, J. Campbell to us one pick later. No one was sitting there at that time saying Campbell perennial backup at best and Rodgers one of top-20 best to ever play the game at QB. Great example of what a difference one draft slot can make, and how useless fads at time of draft are.

I don't think a QB drops to 19. Simply because if one hits 15 or later trading up becomes sane for teams--even maybe us. I would spend the #19 on Lance in a heartbeat. He has the strongest arm in this class, I don't care about the running, mentally a risk, but he has elite talent where it matters most for a QB--throwing, especially deep balls and touch on them. Jones to me a much harder proposition, because he lacks elite athleticism, but P. Manning, E. Manning, Brees, even Aikman Montana, similar kind of QB and they all won SBs. QB is so much mental--and throwing--yet everyone seems to get seduced by running. Pocket QBs win long term.

What is our goal here? Feel good playoff runs where we get torched by the real contenders? That' a win given what a stooge THE DAN has been and will always be, but is that all want, or is the goal higher winning multiple SBs? In the salary cap era no team has won multiple SBs without a franchise QB. We can draft an awesome LT, awesome LB, stud FS, yadder, yadder, but history is emphatic that it leads to at the absolute most 1 SB, and that is only if the entire team is STACKED with a mediocre QB. Point is, with the long view in mind, if you see a guy with franchise QB potential at #19, it is not absurd to pull the trigger, risking one 1st round pick different than trading the farm ala RGIII and Niners this year. It is very hard to be a long term contender making trades like that because even if the QB is a stud--and they usually aren't in such trades historically--you have minimal cheap young elite talent for 2-3 years. It all comes down to talent evaluation. There is a long term pro bowler and even HOFer that we can take it #19 or someone else will before end of first round, but who is it? It could be the pro bowl or HOFer from late 1st round is a CB or WR, the positions expected to fall, or a guy like JOK who is an athletic freak but tweener.

Who is qualified to assess QB talent--the single hardest calculation scouting wise in all of pro sports. Mayhew, who just left 49ers, who busted on the seeming can't miss Garop everyone was drooling over just a few years ago, and did such a bad job of finding another serviceable option that SF just traded the farm for QB? Hurney, who never won a SB and made some very dubious FA and draft decisions, and got QB wrong, along with RR, choosing Newton, Mr. Me, who took all the credit but then kicked everyone under the bus when the going got tough, and epitomizes everything horrible about the infatuation with running QBs, never learning to read Ds, never perfecting his mechanics or accuracy, especially deep, and still even late in career having to run because he can't read or throw accurate, so that now he is always hurt. . . I see nothing in our FO that indicates any especial brilliance in talent evaluation, at QB especially. I don't blame RR for bringing back all his butt buddies because only a complete bungling tit would trust THE DAN and RR knows his guys will tell him if the meddling begins. The only guy we had who might have that rare talent to scout QBs we sent to the Falcons to replace with retreads.

So I'm not at all confident that we'll get QB right, signing Fitz-average terrible. We should have given Heinecke the reps and had him compete against 2 other rookies we draft, cut Allen, no Fitz. Then we either find a guy who can be franchise QB, or draft top-5, get QB, and are set long term. But no coach will make that decision, only a GM will, but we have a coach not a GM because of THE DAN. We BOTCHED the most important position with short-term thinking.

Lance is accurate and a cannon, if he had it all, he'd be gone top-5, but he has 2 of the 3 attributes of great pocket passers, accuracy and strong arm, with the mental part being the huge question. Given how hard it is to find franchise QBs, a risk I take, but he won't be there.

You think Vikes honestly believe Cousins, Captain underthrow every deep pass and check down even if open deep, is leading them to a SB? Dream on. Receivers demanded trades from MN solely to escape Cousins. Many coaches GMs are willing to risk a single pick to solve QB, unless they emphatically have one of the 5-8 unquestionable franchise QBs already on roster. There is always more interest in QBs than we think because deep in their hearts, coaches and GMs know that a great QB keeps them employed a long time. Just look at Belicheat and Brady, Belicheat thoroughly mediocre now that he can't cheat and doesn't have stud QB, and every other coach is the same. Shanny an O genius, but doesn't matter with Garop hosing it up and being made of glass (he and Scherff belong on the all unbreakable team). McVay most brilliant O mind in game, doesn't matter with a bungling tit like Geoff, and even he botched and extended him. And cetera. A great QB makes everyone else look way, way better than they are, OL, receivers, coaches, GMs, etc. Insiders all know it.

So if a QB drops who you think has even a 67% chance of being franchise--you NEVER know for certain--fuck yeah you draft him. If he's sitting at 15, hell yeah you trade a 3rd to move up and get him, but no ridiculous RGIII like trades. Etc. The fundamental problem is we have NO ONE in our FO who has ever proven they know how to identify a franchise QB who can win the big dance, and we ran the only evaluator who might have been that guy out of town. So in all probability, whatever we decide at QB will be wrong. I don't want that, but it is what reason suggests. History also suggests 2 of QBs in first round, maybe 3, will be busts, and several taken later will be better, but again, there is nothing in our FO track record to suggest they can identify that guy. This sucks, but it is the truth. We hired Hurney because he's RR's butt buddy, and Mayhew because he's black to fend off THE DAN's PR problems. Again, I don't like these realities, but they are realities. Polian has a big name, but he took a SB contending team and made it a 2-14 team and was fired, not all his fault but significantly, and the Jaguars have obviously been a dumpster fire. Polian's mismanagement got the Colts Luck though, but Griggs to dumb to invest in OL. Maybe none of these guys suck, but there is nothing to suggest any of them can win the big one as a FO, or pick a franchise QB.

I hope we get it right, but not holding my breath.

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lol

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The
@49ers
have offered the
@Packers
the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft, plus other picks and a number of players from their current roster including Garoppolo
for Aaron Rodgers.
The Packers turned them down.
First reported by
@PAOnTheMic
and confirmed by others.

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Lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282345]The
@49ers
have offered the
@Packers
the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft, plus other picks and a number of players from their current roster including Garoppolo
for Aaron Rodgers.
The Packers turned them down.
First reported by
@PAOnTheMic
and confirmed by others.[/quote]

Worth the shot by SF, I give them credit for trying it. Assuming GB has the confidence in Love that they've said they had, it might have been worth considering, and Garaoppolo could still be flipped for more picks. I would've considered it. Aaron's not happy there and will likely leave in FA when he has the chance. They drafted Love for a reason.

GB could draft Pitts or Sewell at #3...trade Jimmy for another 2nd or 3rd, get a solid #2 WR behind Adams with their own pick...build up the defense...they could make some massive upgrades and move on to the Love era at the same time.

Holding onto Rodgers at all costs, who wants out, while they've drafted his replacement already, isn't a solid plan. They're just letting Love rot on the bench.

They may not get a better offer than that, it was pretty huge.

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Eagles looking for trade-up partner to get Surtain, after trading to move down.

These are the same geniuses who took Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson last year.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/college-football/nfl-draft/player/46664/patrick-surtain-jr[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1387761822657302538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1387761822657302538%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn.com%2Fnfl%2Fdraft2021%2Fstory%2F_%2Fid%2F31352849%2Fnfl-draft-2021-rumors-potential-picks-trades-moves[/url]

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If you have the chance to shoot the moon you take it. What's the harm in making an offer for one of the top QBs in the game?

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Tim Tebow recently reached out to the Jaguars and requested a tryout at the tight end position, per sources, a move many believe would have extended his NFL career had he made the transition earlier. He recently worked out with the Jaguars’ TE coach. No decision has been made.

U have to admire the dudes hustle

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282376]Tim Tebow recently reached out to the Jaguars and requested a tryout at the tight end position, per sources, a move many believe would have extended his NFL career had he made the transition earlier. He recently worked out with the Jaguars’ TE coach. No decision has been made.

U have to admire the dudes hustle[/quote]

He should have tried that 5 years ago instead of trying to play baseball.

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[quote=MTK;1282378]He should have tried that 5 years ago instead of trying to play baseball.[/quote]

Reality set in that he'd be playing for the Mets. :D

Made it all the way to AAA...he puts the work in.

He's in incredible shape, he can step in at TE in the NFL.

Got to see him play a AA game in Harrisburg, had a great game and made the other baseball players look like dwarves. The size of his legs was insane even from the stands.

I wouldn't bet against him.

[url]https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1387839572680265737[/url]

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He's 33 and trying to make a position switch? I'd take the bet against him if I were betting. If his name was Joe Smith he'd be lucky to get a workout with a team.

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