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I don't know, at least we're not blocking ourselves...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1290261]Heinicke has been able to move the offense in each game. I don't really worry about the arm strength part. As for injuries, at this point our qbs all are injury prone. Multiple seasons with 3+ qbs , that is just crazy.

[B]My fear is that defenses will figure him out[/B], but truthfully I don't know if he has figured himself out yet.

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Cooley said TH was running basically the same 2-3 routes .. crosses and digs. Running a triangle chart. he said its fine but its limited.

2021 offense = 2020 offense. Mostly everything is within 15 yards of LOS with TH ocassionally tossing a contested long ball.

Its identical, except in 2020 I thought our O line played above their weight class and we might not get that again this year.

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Coaches on both sides of the ball need to earn their paychecks.

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Our O line is my biggest concern at the moment. They were dreadful - or at least, 3/5 of them were and that’s enough to sink us.


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Scott Turner needs to do a better job. I was a little underwhelmed

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[quote=calia;1290324]Our O line is my biggest concern at the moment. They were dreadful - or at least, 3/5 of them were and that’s enough to sink us.


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This. We really coulda used Moses out there. He was coming off his best season in 3 years. He was finally healthy and was our best Olineman first half of last year.

Is Leno better than Lucas? Not last week.

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[quote=Chico23231;1290325]Scott Turner needs to do a better job. I was a little underwhelmed[/quote]

I think this is a prove it year for him. RR said he doesnt want a long rebuild. 2 years of a bottom 5-10 offense ...

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Didn’t like the Moses thing. Most people on this board thought for some reason it was a good thing. Have been worried about this o line for months. It is a huuuuuge problem. Another huuuuuge problem is Scott Turner.
Kicker.
Linebackers
Secondary
Not 100 percent on board with Rivera either but he is probably the best we can get to play for the Snyders.

It really feels like we make minor improvements every year and they never translate onto the field. I want to pin my hopes on a real quarterback but we do not have the pieces around him to move forward.

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[quote=punch it in;1290329]Didn’t like the Moses thing. Most people on this board thought for some reason it was a good thing. Have been worried about this o line for months. It is a huuuuuge problem. Another huuuuuge problem is Scott Turner.
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Secondary
Not 100 percent on board with Rivera either but he is probably the best we can get to play for the Snyders.

It really feels like we make minor improvements every year and they never translate onto the field. I want to pin my hopes on a real quarterback but we do not have the pieces around him to move forward.[/quote]

Part of the Moses thing is he was like only 8.5 mill. I mean you committed 18 to a guard. And then you got a discount on your left tackle…Leno is making like 5 mill.

Forcing cosmi was a substantial difference maker in the game Sunday. I’m being 100 percent honest, Lucas and Moses play at tackle in spite of bad defense…are chances of winning that game are much much higher.

It’s really something to watch as the season goes on

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[quote=punch it in;1290329]Didn’t like the Moses thing. Most people on this board thought for some reason it was a good thing. Have been worried about this o line for months. It is a huuuuuge problem. Another huuuuuge problem is Scott Turner.
Kicker.
Linebackers
Secondary
Not 100 percent on board with Rivera either but he is probably the best we can get to play for the Snyders.

It really feels like we make minor improvements every year and they never translate onto the field. I want to pin my hopes on a real quarterback but we do not have the pieces around him to move forward.[/quote]

Agree

At this point just buy into the Watson trade and start building around him, he is 25 even if they suspend him a year he has tons of playing time left.Use his year off to find more pieces.

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I think the Moses thing had more to do with a locker room/culture thing more than anything.

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It’s possible to scheme around other deficits - but a bad O line = doom and that’s my big fear right now. The Chargers D is legit, so we will see how things go with a lesser D this week, but the early signs aren’t encouraging. In terms of coaching, it almost felt like we took for granted that our D would be stifling and therefore the offense just needed to be good enough. Neither held true.


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[QUOTE=MTK;1290333]I think the Moses thing had more to do with a locker room/culture thing more than anything.[/QUOTE]


That’s strange to me. He went from Bruce’s “damn good” (not) culture to Rivera - I’d have thought that the latter would be a massive upgrade to the former. But I don’t disagree based on the reports.


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[quote=punch it in;1290329]Didn’t like the Moses thing. Most people on this board thought for some reason it was a good thing. Have been worried about this o line for months. It is a huuuuuge problem. Another huuuuuge problem is Scott Turner.
Kicker.
Linebackers
Secondary
Not 100 percent on board with Rivera either but he is probably the best we can get to play for the Snyders.

It really feels like we make minor improvements every year and they never translate onto the field. I want to pin my hopes on a real quarterback but we do not have the pieces around him to move forward.[/quote]

I understood the Moses decision in the moment, but it sure doesn't look good right now...
With how bad our secondary looked, cutting Moreland doesn't seem that smart either.
Won't even mention LB, I'd be spamming at that point...

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[quote=irish;1290246]He's huge downgrade. Fitz has is 16 year career in the NFL, I'm not saying he's spectacular but he has to be doing something right to have been around this long. Like a lot of fringe NFL QB's, Heinicke can come in and play a few good games but over the course of 17 games (assuming he doesn't get hurt) people will see why he was taking math class instead of playing professional football somewhere.[/quote]

[I]I liked the Fitzpatrick[/I] signing in the offseason, and he's coming off 2 really good seasons. But the point can also be made that [I]there's a reason the 8 previous teams let him walk[/I]...
He didn't look very impressive before the injury. I know he's not the same type of player, but that felt like Alex Smith all over again, guy you can have reasonably high expectations on, comes here and under performs.

We all know [I]Heinickeee's issue is health[/I]. But with every little opportunity we saw of him [I]he was making plays[/I].
The point can be made that talent was never the issue, and that if he can stay healthy he could be a starting NFL QB (I'm aware that's a big if... but don't tell me you weren't excited watching that WC game, and don't tell me you didn't feel the spark in the offense when he came in on Sunday).
Anyway, he's [I]the best we got now[/I], let's give the kid a shot before we wright him off.

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Jackson played well, showed he is a physical corner who can stick with guys 1 on 1.

Curl looked good.

McCain looked good. Like a Curl clone.

St Juste was targeted and he allowed catches but he was right there.

Didnt notice Collins, Everret (did he dress?), no idea why a McTyer got some much playing time.

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[quote=SunnySide;1290341]Jackson played well, showed he is a physical corner who can stick with guys 1 on 1.

Curl looked good.

McCain looked good. Like a Curl clone.

St Juste was targeted and he allowed catches but he was right there.

Didnt notice Collins, Everret (did he dress?), no idea why a McTyer got some much playing time.[/quote]

Jackson made some nice plays but he also let WRs get more YAC by not wrapping them up when attempting to tackle. Jackson needs to improve in the tackling area.

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Bridgewater went 28/36 for 264 yds, 2 tds no ints

Daniel Jones went 22/37 for 267, 1 td 0 ints. sacked twice

Most surprising thing is Giants ran the ball 20 times for 60 yards. Sterling Sheppard balled catching 7, 113 yds and 1 td.

Von Miller had 2 sacks, 3 tfl and 2 qb hits.

Evan Engram missed the game.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326320[/url]

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1290340][I]I liked the Fitzpatrick[/I] signing in the offseason, and he's coming off 2 really good seasons. But the point can also be made that [I]there's a reason the 8 previous teams let him walk[/I]...
He didn't look very impressive before the injury. I know he's not the same type of player, but that felt like Alex Smith all over again, guy you can have reasonably high expectations on, comes here and under performs.

We all know [I]Heinickeee's issue is health[/I]. But with every little opportunity we saw of him [I]he was making plays[/I].
The point can be made that talent was never the issue, and that if he can stay healthy he could be a starting NFL QB (I'm aware that's a big if... but don't tell me you weren't excited watching that WC game, and don't tell me you didn't feel the spark in the offense when he came in on Sunday).
Anyway, he's [I]the best we got now[/I], let's give the kid a shot before we wright him off.[/quote]

Well he was impressive enough to play 16 years in the NFL. With the way QBs come and go it says a lot that he was able to stick around for 16 years.

I would say talent was the issue in addition to his health. He wasn't a starter on his XFL team but maybe his XFL team was loaded at QB. I did feel a spark watching him but a spark is just that, a spark. They shine bright for a few seconds but in the long run they fizzle out.

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The issue with Watson on this team is … with all the other stuff that has gone on with the cheerleader scandals etc .. gonna be hard to bring in Watson without a huge uproar ..

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[quote=GridIron26;1290346]Jackson made some nice plays but he also let WRs get more YAC by not wrapping them up when attempting to tackle. Jackson needs to improve in the tackling area.[/quote]

I've only seen the highlights thus far, but my two big takeaways from what I saw were 1) too much cushion in the secondary and 2) really poor tackling. I'm curious if anyone has stats on their yards gained after contact?

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I was actually ok with moving on from Moses. It's always good to get younger on the O-line. Maybe Cosmi didn't have a great day, but I'm not so sure that a 31 year old Moses would have handled Bosa any better. How many holding / false start penalties would we have had? We'll never know, we can only speculate. I will agree though, that the O-line has to do better as a unit moving forward. The entire offense does.

It's funny to me because they absolutely did address the O-line in the offseason. It's deeper than it's been in a while. But there's always that one move that fans want to point out to make the case that the coaches don't know what they are doing, or to discount the fact that they actually did try to improve the team.

Maybe we should give Cosmi more than one NFL game against a premier NFL pass rusher, before we decide that he isn't the answer, or that releasing Moses was dumb.

I feel the same way about the secondary and St-Juste. Moreland was nice here, particularly in run support, but the secondary is now more talented overall and deeper than it has been in a while.

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Terry McLaurin- ‘If you want to be a top guy you got to go out there and make plays. Doesnt matter if it’s the 4th string QB.’

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290377]Terry McLaurin- ‘If you want to be a top guy you got to go out there and make plays. Doesnt matter if it’s the 4th string QB.’[/quote]

That guy is such a fucking winner. He needs to play at least 10 years here, don't care how much it costs.

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Agree ^

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[quote=rocnrik;1290366]The issue with Watson on this team is … with all the other stuff that has gone on with the cheerleader scandals etc .. gonna be hard to bring in Watson without a huge uproar ..[/quote]

So true. It would be really hard to swallow for a lot of people, but ultimately if he were to come here and lead to the team to a championship, it would be a happy ending for all of us.

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[quote=Coff;1290381]So true. It would be really hard to swallow for a lot of people, but ultimately if he were to come here and lead to the team to a championship, it would [B]be a happy ending for all of us[/B].[/quote]

:laughing2

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Might as well put the Watson talk to rest, we've never been mentioned as one of the teams he wants to go to. So that's another wrench in the works.

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This is a Washington, D.C.-based tweet.

The local DC-area TV rating for WFT-Chargers was a 15.4 on CBS yesterday. That's down 7% from WFT's opener last year (16.5).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290386]This is a Washington, D.C.-based tweet.

The local DC-area TV rating for WFT-Chargers was a 15.4 on CBS yesterday. That's down 7% from WFT's opener last year (16.5).[/quote]

Radio said it was the lowest attendance for an opener in 50 years.

Nowadays though flat tv ratings = increased tv ratings. So many other ways to watch that dont get included in the Neilsen ratings. If you arent going down, youre going up!

Sports biz guy also more urban yuppy areas will have lower traditional tv ratings bc that crowd tends to watch games ways other than tv vs like GB and more older rural areas.

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[quote=irish;1290356]Well he was impressive enough to play 16 years in the NFL. With the way QBs come and go it says a lot that he was able to stick around for 16 years.

I would say talent was the issue in addition to his health. He wasn't a starter on his XFL team but maybe his XFL team was loaded at QB. I did feel a spark watching him but a spark is just that, a spark. They shine bright for a few seconds but in the long run they fizzle out.[/quote]

The way I would put it is: Fitz has proven he is a better NFL QB than Heinicke over his 16 years career... but do we know for sure he was better [I]this year[/I] for this team and this offense ? The few snaps we saw of him didn't make it look like a massive certainty.
Anyway, kinda moot argument at this point. Heinicke is our starter and I'm rooting for him to stay healthy.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1290397]The way I would put it is: Fitz has proven he is a better NFL QB than Heinicke over his 16 years career... but do we know for sure he was better [I]this year[/I] for this team and this offense ? The few snaps we saw of him didn't make it look like a massive certainty.

Anyway, kinda moot argument at this point. Heinicke is our starter and I'm rooting for him to stay healthy.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1290316][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_MkTNTX0AAm7AY.jpg[/IMG]



I don't know, at least we're not blocking ourselves...[/QUOTE]Really, that is hilarious (as long as it isn't our guys)

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After last week I have zero confidence in this coaching staff,we might win this game,but it will be by the hair of our balls in all likelihood,this team isnt going anywhere.What a over hyped defense and Chase was a big part of it,did he even have his name called? Predicted score 20-17 could go either way.Another prediction,Barkley has his biggest game in 2 years:doh:

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1290397]The way I would put it is: Fitz has proven he is a better NFL QB than Heinicke over his 16 years career... but do we know for sure he was better [I]this year[/I] for this team and this offense ? The few snaps we saw of him didn't make it look like a massive certainty.
Anyway, kinda moot argument at this point. Heinicke is our starter and I'm rooting for him to stay healthy.[/quote]

I'm rooting for him too.

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Ron R played for the 85 Bears and his DC plays a soft zone defense when the game is on the line. Del Rio is no better than Joe Barry or Greg Manusky.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1290416]Ron R played for the 85 Bears and his DC plays a soft zone defense when the game is on the line. Del Rio is no better than Joe Barry or Greg Manusky.[/quote]

Lol.. Del Rio was the reason why we won NFC East last year - we cannot say the same thing for Joe Barry and Greg Manusky.

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Yeah, that's a pretty ridiculous statement. Del Rio is a much better D coordinator than we've had here in more than a minute.

You know, sometimes a unit just collectively doesn't have a good day; and it's not all that uncommon for it to happen in week 1.

I totally get the frustration though, because if this defense isn't great, the team has no chance until the offense shows it can muster more than 20 points.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1290420]Yeah, that's a pretty ridiculous statement. Del Rio is a much better D coordinator than we've had here in more than a minute.

You know, sometimes a unit just collectively doesn't have a good day; and it's not all that uncommon for it to happen in week 1.

I totally get the frustration though, because if this defense isn't great, the team has no chance until the offense shows it can muster more than 20 points.[/quote]

good points ... but Del Rio has to show he can figure out how to adjust to our LBs being targeted in coverage and getting QB pressure. I think the problems go hand in hand. Teams are able to neutralize our pass rush bc they can get easy looks/reads by targeting our LBs in coverage.

I really really thought hed sub Collins and Curl in for a LB on passing plays. On 3rd and 16, we dont need Bostic AND Holcomb on the field.

Im so heated at Del Rio but I hold out hope he and RR can figure the 3rd and long.

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Additions And Subtractions

Who’s Come: WR Kenny Golladay, TE Kyle Rudolph, CB Adoree Jackson, Edge Azeez Ojulari

Who’s Gone: DT Dalvin Tomlinson



The Giants made good on their vow to add firepower on offense, bringing in Golladay, a legitimate X-receiver, and Rudolph, an established red-zone threat to help the offense in the two areas in which it lagged last season.

Meanwhile, on defense, the Giants are hoping that the addition of Jackson at cornerback gives them what they need to play more man coverage and that Ojulari, the rookie pass rusher, can help the pass rush turn those "almost" sacks into actual sacks.

The loss of Tomlinson can go either way for the Giant. Tomlinson did a lot of the dirty work inside, taking on multiple blockers, which opened up gaps and lanes for guys like Leonard Williams to get home on the pass rush.

But with Tomlinson having departed to Minnesota in free agency, the Giants appear willing to roll with a rotation that will include Austin Johnson, Danny Shelton, and B.J. Hill to fill the void.

If they are healthy—and right now cornerback Adoree’ Jackson is trying to shake off a mild ankle sprain suffered late in the summer—the Giants’ team strength is their defensive secondary, and it’s not even close.

[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/patriciatraina/2021/09/02/new-york-giants-nfl-season-preview/?sh=46235d8564f6[/url]

Scratch nail look at the NYG offseason. Seems they didnt lose many pieces and were able to upgrade at several positions.

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We (surprisingly) ran the ball well in week 1 (27 carries, 126 yards).

The Giants are returning basically the same front 7 that held us to 123 rushing yards on 33 carries in 2 games last year.

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B.J.Hill has been traded to Cincinnati, so they are kind of light on the DL now wit Tomlinson gone, Denver managed to run on them.