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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1291224]I'm starting to move over to your side about Chase. He better start going nuts immediately.[/quote]

I watched him closely, nothing zero nothing.

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Interesting take by the big ole white dude in the post game show, that is a former player, but I can't think of his name.

He was talking about Barkley and about how much time you can wait for him to get comfortable. And he was emphasizing the new rules where physical practice is way more limited, etc. Knocking rust off needs a lot more actual game plays. Basically, it's way harder to hit the ground running nowadays, coming off a major injury.

I understand limiting offseason practice, etc., but there are 2 sides to every coin.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1291236]I watched him closely, nothing zero nothing.[/QUOTE]CY did make some plays, but not enough. As this D as a whole. The thing is I don't want to hear neither them or anybody else talk about the potential of nor the expectations for this D. Shut up and show it to us. They've been saying way too much for way too long.

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[quote=punch it in;1291231]Living in Jersey i know a ton of Gints fans. Just got a text from one who said he is physically ill. Haha.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1291235]My TH optimism was always based on the Defense hype I believed.. we were supposed to have this top D that would shut them down.. I never thought Taylor could take this team on his back .. for him to succeed we need Running game and strong D… with those things yes I believe he could lead this team …[/QUOTE]The thing is we have the horses to have a strong running game, especially to set up the pass. I just dont understand why the obsession of going pass crazy.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1291211]Never been so down after a W.

This D sucks. Plain and simple.

We may not win another one before the Panthers week 11.

Next week gonna be as ugly as it gets.

Still hoping for some Heinicke fun along the way, but we're drafting high next year.[/quote]

Oh man, you're one of our beacons of positivity here. We won!!

And we all had Buffalo scheduled as a loss well before game 1. Unless we won the 1st 2 games by 20ish points, nothing was changing that.

We beat Buffalo, we're sitting pretty again. We lose, Falcons becomes about as much of a code red game as there can be in week 4.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1291243]Oh man, you're one of our beacons of positivity here. We won!!



And we all had Buffalo scheduled as a loss well before game 1. Unless we won the 1st 2 games by 20ish points, nothing was changing that.



We beat Buffalo, we're sitting pretty again. We lose, Falcons becomes about as much of a code red game as there can be in week 4.[/QUOTE]Haha yeah sorry believe me or feels weird for me too.
I'm usually standing there after loss telling everybody how Mason Foster actually had a good game...
But this D is repeatingly letting us down and I've kinda had a enough.

That's the thing, I think individually some guys played well (CY and Sweat made plays, Allen and Payne too, but the whole DL didn't produce enough. WJ3 had some nice break ups too, but the secondary as a whole sucked ass etc...) And I'm excited about Heinicke.

Not checking out, I'll watch every snap. Heck I might even watch the All 22 of this one... But until they can play 8 consecutive quarters of solid defensive football, my expectations for this season sit just underneath the toilets of the 4th basement of your local supermarket parking lot.

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We deserved to get this win just because of that horrible horrible spot by the refs and then replay doesn’t overturn it! Are you fucking kidding me!? That probably will not even been mentioned again by anyone because we ended up getting a touchdown anyway but That was some major bullshit.
Defense is leaking worse than the Titanic. Chase looks lost,tackling runners that don’t have the ball,he’s being blocked by one guy with no problems,and he looks to have one move to rush the qb, hoping his quickness running around the outside corner will get him to the quarterback and it’s not.
Why didn’t Heineke didn’t have any called runs like Jones did,Giants screwed up by not going that more in the second half because it look like it would’ve been available to them all night long.Maybe Turner deserves the benefit of the doubt because we already lost Fitz and he didn’t want Heiney running but damn

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Also Hopkins you a lucky mofo! And our ex kicker Gano is making it look easy,34 in a row I think and 5-5 tonight and a 55 yarder,damn man come back to DC

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I'd like to say shame on me for not recognizing a easy 1st ballot HOFer, but Joe Thomas has absolutely dominated the after career lifestyle too. Man, good for him.

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For all the people that are down after the W:

How many times did we see other teams get lucky calls?

How many times did we see other teams catch lucky breaks?

How many times it was our team losing on a last minute FG?

Way too many, and I'm glad lady luck was on our side tonight.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1291217]I don’t think it was a phantom holding call, but regardless how many times have we been on the opposite side with our team making the losing plays. Sometimes, when a team is getting its legs under it, they need those luck moments we got today.

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yeah it happens to us a lot too, so I'll take the W. Just saying don't let this fool you into believing we were the better team tonight.

And for me no way that's a hold. Keeps WJ3 in front of him, hands inside, driving him forward. Would be different if William was making an obvious effort to go for the tackle and being restricted. But if that's a hold you can flag 100% of running plays.

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BIG W. I don't care how, don't care if it was ugly. This is exactly the type of game that can put a team on a roll (WFT), and the type of game that can send a team spiraling (NYG).

Call it lucky if you want to. Don't enjoy it if you don't want to. Tell us all how terrible this team is despite the win, and how they'll be lucky to win another game...blah, blah, blah...

The sky is still falling on some of you, but in reality this team is 1-1, with a 4 point loss to one of the best AFC teams, and undefeated in the division. That is what matters.

On to Buffalo. Glad they have a couple extra days to prepare.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1291251]yeah it happens to us a lot too, so I'll take the W. Just saying don't let this fool you into believing we were the better team tonight.

And for me no way that's a hold. Keeps WJ3 in front of him, hands inside, driving him forward. Would be different if William was making an obvious effort to go for the tackle and being restricted. But if that's a hold you can flag 100% of running plays.

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That clip doesn't show the whole play. 100% holding.

Might not get called everytime, but no penalty does.

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OMFG I didn’t see the holding call and left right after the first kick. What a surprise!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1291245]Haha yeah sorry believe me or feels weird for me too.
[B]I'm usually standing there after loss telling everybody how Mason Foster actually had a good game...[/B]
But this D is repeatingly letting us down and I've kinda had a enough.

That's the thing, I think individually some guys played well (CY and Sweat made plays, Allen and Payne too, but the whole DL didn't produce enough. WJ3 had some nice break ups too, but the secondary as a whole sucked ass etc...) And I'm excited about Heinicke.

Not checking out, I'll watch every snap. Heck I might even watch the All 22 of this one... But until they can play 8 consecutive quarters of solid defensive football, my expectations for this season sit just underneath the toilets of the 4th basement of your local supermarket parking lot.

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I'm about as negative on GameDays as it gets. So I'm not judging anything you say, nor should I.

The bolded part was hilarious. Mason Foster makes Bostic look amazing in pass coverage.

I know you won't give up, and the defense hasn't shown anything to give us optimism. So they have earned the criticism, you, or anyone else gives them.

But I'm drunk and we won, lol. We're amazing!!!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1291252]BIG W. I don't care how, don't care if it was ugly. This is exactly the type of game that can put a team on a roll (WFT), and the type of game that can send a team spiraling (NYG).

Call it lucky if you want to. Don't enjoy it if you don't want to. Tell us all how terrible this team is despite the win, and how they'll be lucky to win another game...blah, blah, blah...

The sky is still falling on some of you, but in reality this team is 1-1, with a 4 point loss to one of the best AFC teams, and undefeated in the division. That is what matters.

On to Buffalo. Glad they have a couple extra days to prepare.[/quote]

Once again, you continue to show me that you're the best poster on the site.

I couldn't have said it better.

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When was the last time we saw a 2 play 75 yd touchdown drive?

When was the last time we lost the time of possession battle, AND we lost the turnover battle, but won the game.

A game winning scoring drive with 2 minutes left?

Last time we beat the NYG?

Take away the one long run by Jones and the one long run by Barkley, and it's only 76 yards rushing.

Both teams had 80 yards in penalties (81 for NYG), and both had penalties at inopportunistic times.

Offensive line was much better tonight.

Some things to clean up for sure, but it's definitely not all doom & gloom.

I'd rather be 1-1 than 2-0.

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I just watched this on a delay - holy shit. A game no one wanted to win, but the Giants wanted it less.

Game balls to Heinike, McLaurin (he’s freaking incredible), and Jonathan Allen. I’d say Hopkins but if you cause me to start to have a heart attack, I’ll don’t feel right about you getting a game ball.


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Terry, that is all

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1291251]yeah it happens to us a lot too, so I'll take the W. Just saying don't let this fool you into believing we were the better team tonight.

And for me no way that's a hold. Keeps WJ3 in front of him, hands inside, driving him forward. Would be different if William was making an obvious effort to go for the tackle and being restricted. But if that's a hold you can flag 100% of running plays.

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It's the NFL and you take the win any way you can. Congratulations ,your team made plays when it counted.

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[quote=Giantone;1291263]It's the NFL and you take the win any way you can. Congratulations ,your team made plays when it counted.[/quote]

That was definitely a weak ass call. We caught a break on that one.

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Lol at some of the kool aid posts im reading. This team isn’t winning more than 7 games this year. Doesn’t make me less of a fan, just more of a realist. Fun win last night though.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1291264]That was definitely a weak ass call. We caught a break on that one.[/quote]

+1

Good game G-One. You guys always play us tough - I thought we were done after Hopkins missed the initial kick.

The only real doom and gloom I have is being at work at 5:30 the night after a primetime game - can barely keep my eyes open right now.

Defense looked mostly like crap again but the good news is we have 15 weeks to correct the issues. Big issues for me was how much success they were having with the RPO - how is JDR not teaching guys like Chase and Collins to be patient and watch the handoff before reacting. Collins got burnt on Young's big run and Chase got burnt immediately after a RPO had a big gain. This is shit they should remember from last year.

Shoutout to the guys on offense - we don't win if they don't show up. They handled their jobs last night. Still gotta tighten up that defense though if we expect to compete with Buffalo.

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Great win last night. The Giants always come ready to play and WFT pulled it out. 1-1 after two games is a good start. The bad news is that if this team needs to score 30 points to win then there aren't going to be many more upbeat post-game threads.

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Our offense put up 30 points.
They overcame a turnover at a killer time.
They put together sustained drives and quick strike drives.
They overcame a terrible spot/replay

When was the last time all those things happened. I am optimistic because our offense finally showed spark outside of Terry. Yes the D has been bad, but they have a lot of new pieces. They will get on track as the rookies grow into it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1291277]Our offense put up 30 points.
They overcame a turnover at a killer time.
They put together sustained drives and quick strike drives.
They overcame a terrible spot/replay

When was the last time all those things happened. I am optimistic because our offense finally showed spark outside of Terry. Yes the D has been bad, but they have a lot of new pieces. They will get on track as the rookies grow into it.

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All that is true. The offense is playing above expectations (both our tackles are playing bad though, hopefully Cosmi can develop quickly but he is getting beaten quite a lot).
My issue with this D is the main weakness (LB) was known from day one of the offseason and they thought simply drafting a rookie was enough... AND the secondary is underperforming. Kyle Fuller seems like he just sucks know, WJ3 made some plays but got beat a couple of times, and St Juste as a rookie will get burned from time to time.

Will need to rewatch, but just chilling down a bit, I think the DL played decently, we are expecting a lot from them but you're not going to sack the QB every play, especially when you DBs are playing like sh*t. Out of the top of my head I can remember CY, Allen, Payne, Sweat and even Ioannidis making plays. So it means they did produce a bit, but they need to do more, and they the other 7 players on the field to do their part.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1291254]That clip doesn't show the whole play. 100% holding.

Might not get called everytime, but no penalty does.[/quote]

I edited the part where's there is contact because it wouldn't fit under 15 sec otherwise, but what was flagged is what you saw, there's no contact before nor after.
Won't argue back and forth about it forever, I'll just say as a ref I am never throwing this flag, because by the philosophy of the rule this is not a foul, the defender is cleanly getting beaten on the block, the grab doesn't prevent him from making any play, doesn't bring him in another direction than the one he is going, he's not shedding that block whatsoever.

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Some of the coverage issues are fixable. We are mostly playing zone. I see DB’s and LB’s releasing receivers to nobody in order to cover an empty zone. Our players need to use their brains. Do not release a receiver late in a play. I don’t give a fuck about your zone responsibilities after 4 seconds into a play. The idea is to cover a man not make a pretty zone shape. The idea of zone is to get to your zone then cover the closest guy. Not stand around in your zone.
For a veteran #26 is not playing consistently. On the long QB run by Jones that was gifted back by a penalty, #26 blitzed and was in perfect position to blow up the play. Instead he ran right by him. There are 2 or 3 other plays where he is always a step behind.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1291277]Our offense put up 30 points.
They overcame a turnover at a killer time.
They put together sustained drives and quick strike drives.
They overcame a terrible spot/replay

When was the last time all those things happened. I am optimistic because our offense finally showed spark outside of Terry. Yes the D has been bad, but they have a lot of new pieces. They will get on track as the rookies grow into it.

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I really get some Romo vibes with Heineke, he's a playmaker back there that is sneaky athletic.

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[quote=punch it in;1291265]Lol at some of the kool aid posts im reading. This team isn’t winning more than 7 games this year. Doesn’t make me less of a fan, just more of a realist. Fun win last night though.[/quote]

It's still early but I am very concerned about the lack of plays CY and Sweat are making.. More so Young because many predicted him to have an Aaron Donald type season... So far his ass has been 70% missing.. Payne and Allen have been the best 2.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1291284]It's still early but I am very concerned about the lack of plays CY and Sweat are making.. More so Young because many predicted him to have an Aaron Donald type season... So far his ass has been 70% missing.. Payne and Allen have been the best 2.[/quote]

Payne was the one who broke Gates lower leg. Another freak accident.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1291264]That was definitely a weak ass call. We caught a break on that one.[/quote]

It was a weak call. He appeared to have too much of a grip on the shoulder pads, but still a questionable call. Equally questionable was the roughing the passer call on Chase in the first quarter. Instead of 3rd and 12 at the 16, the Giants were given 1st and goal at the 8 and would score a TD. So the calls cancel each other out.

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It was a great game, we had a bad start but we managed to break through.. You guys covered almost all points, especially about the defense.. So I want to point this out - Gibson averaged 5.3 yds per carry, why didn't Turner use him more in the game?

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Taylor Heinicke is the first QB since at least 1978 with a go-ahead Pass TD, an interception and a game-winning drive in the final 5 minutes of regulation —all on 3 separate drives (per @EliasSports).

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[quote=GridIron26;1291289]It was a great game, we had a bad start but we managed to break through.. You guys covered almost all points, especially about the defense.. So I want to point this out - Gibson averaged 5.3 yds per carry, why didn't Turner use him more in the game?[/quote]

He is our CMC now, he will get more carries for sure

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Taylor Heinicke is the first QB since at least 1978 with a go-ahead Pass TD, an interception and a game-winning drive in the final 5 minutes of regulation —all on 3 separate drives (per
@EliasSports
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99 times out of a 100 we lose that game. That was a gift from the god awful Giants. They're a total mess. 1-1 is so much better than 0-2. What a performance by TH.

As far as the guys on defense, what else can you say? They stink.

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Question about Heineken, can he be an effective starter answered last night.

Worried about the defense, but like said above can be fixed. I thought we were gonna play more man this year…guess not?