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[quote=jamf;1292868]We say that every time he's hired a coach since Jim Zorn.
Ron didn't start Haskins because he was prepared and the best QB on the team last year, He started Haskins because that's Dans guy.

Nothing has changed.
Dan is still drafting the top 3 rounds.[/quote]

People need to understand the Haskins pick just a couple years ago which was Snyder…our QB situation right now is a direct result of that decision.

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[quote=Chico23231;1292869]People need to understand the Haskins pick just a couple years ago which was Snyder…our QB situation right now is a direct result of that decision.[/quote]

Every time he makes an executive decision it always has lasting repercussions. RG3, Haskins, they always come full circle and we end up getting screwed years down the road.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1292869]People need to understand the Haskins pick just a couple years ago which was Snyder…our QB situation right now is a direct result of that decision.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I left that out of my anti Snyder rant because it is done and we cant get a do over on that pick. Since that Snyder has definitely given Ron autonomy though, but it doesn’t matter. He has carved his reputation in stone and I just don’t see how we ever get a top flight staff in the door unless we burn it ALL down and turn every fuckin good player into high draft picks. You wind up with a slew of ones and twos and someone will want in. Either way we are fucked for the foreseeable future.

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Curtis Samuel is eligible to come off IR this week... Rivera said, "We'll see how it goes Wednesday. Our offensive coaches are fired up to see where he is. If he has a good day Wednesday, we'll progress and go forward."
Key will be how his groin responds to any work. As you know

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Terry and Thoms need some help.

Humphries just isnt being targeted (is he not winning his routes or just overlooked?) and rookie Brown hasnt clicked yet. Sims is best as a no. 4, spot duty starter if needed bc of injury.

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Cosmi, Scherff, Flowers all w PFF grades above 70
Roullier 64
Leno 69

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[quote=jamf;1292868]We say that every time he's hired a coach since Jim Zorn.
Ron didn't start Haskins because he was prepared and the best QB on the team last year, He started Haskins because that's Dans guy.

Nothing has changed.
Dan is still drafting the top 3 rounds.[/quote]

I think being new he wanted to give Dan's guy a shot. IMO bad mistake. But I give Ron credit he cut him during the season once he saw we were going nowhere w/ him.

Synder has not drafted anyone after Haskins.

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[quote=SunnySide;1292875]Cosmi, Scherff, Flowers all w PFF grades above 70
Roullier 64
Leno 69[/quote]

Cosmi was on their team of the week at RT, NOT the rookie team of the week, but the whole NFL. They mentioned his Pass protection is getting better each week (as you would hope) but he is looking like a very solid 2nd round pick at the very least, a looooong time since we had one of those.

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[quote]T SAMUEL COSMI, WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM
PFF overall grade: 72.3

Cosmi has turned things around in a big way after getting baptized by Joey Bosa in Week 1. Over the last two weeks, he’s allowed only one pressure on 86 pass-blocking snaps. That’s quite the start for the rookie after switching from left tackle to right tackle this year.[/quote]

Better than any other rookie Tackle, including Slater and Sewell

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Of course not everyone puts any faith in what PFF say, so take it as you like

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I like the production we are getting from Cosmi. Makes up for the lack thereof we are getting from Davis. I know he is limited in snaps but it is frustrating to see how glaring our LB weakness is and knowing we have to take baby steps with our first rounder.

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"We are not where we need to be and we all need to understand that" RR

Um what does that mean Ron? Are you throwing in the towel already? Or is he just letting us know we will suck this yr

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I think we hit on Davis, Cosmi, and Juste. They are already looking like at least league average starters. Pretty good after only 3 games.

I still have high hopes for Dyami. But WRs take longer in general, and he wasn't asked to do much in UNCs offense (in terms of route tree). He was a stud running basically 2 routes.

The rest of the guys, the jury is still out (if still on the team).

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Yeah, Davis was projected to be the defensive rookie of the year by some. That was a lofty goal in the first place, considering he only had 11 college starts, but it's hard to be the defensive rookie of the year when you are not playing much. Looks like his snap counts are increasing though, so hopefully he can start having the impact many expected. Going to need the guys in front of him to do their part though.

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Ron when asked about Kyle Allen taking over if TH struggles " I have not considered that at all"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292895]"We are not where we need to be and we all need to understand that" RR

Um what does that mean Ron? Are you throwing in the towel already? Or is he just letting us know we will suck this yr[/quote]

I think he means that the team, and the players on the team - especially the defensive players, need to understand that just because the media and others outside of the organization crowned them as a top 5 defense, doesn't mean that they are, or that it happens without putting in the work.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1292895]"We are not where we need to be and we all need to understand that" RR

Um what does that mean Ron? Are you throwing in the towel already? Or is he just letting us know we will suck this yr[/QUOTE]


He just is not a very good coach. It is why he usually loses more games than he wins. It is why he got fired. It is why his former team is now improved after one year.

If we lose to Atlanta you really have to ask yourself how many games left on our schedule we are capable of winning. I mean if this guy goes backwards and wins 3-4 games this year it might be time for him to walk away.

After Gruden I had extremely high hopes for Ron, but after watching these first 20 games (8-12), I feel like Panther fans are laughing at me. There is a real good chance he has more than twice as many losses as wins here after two years. I dont know how you continue to roll with that into a third year. It fuckin blows. I miss the 80’s.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1292898]Ron when asked about Kyle Allen taking over if TH struggles " I have not considered that at all"[/QUOTE]


Now I would imagine that is Ron trying to give a boost of confidence to TH. Which is fine, except u basically just told your current backup quarterback (who easily could be seeing playing time this year with TH’s injury history) that he is such a turd nugget that you basically forgot he was on the team. How about you say something like “i have faith in both Taylor and Kyle”. Isn’t that like coaching psychology 101? [emoji1750]

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[quote=punch it in;1292900]He just is not a very good coach..[/quote]

I think he is a good Head Coach. A leader of men. A Head Coach doesnt need to be the X and Os guy on offense or defense. RR allocates a good bit to his OC and DC.

We have had mostly bad QB play for the 20 games he has been here. it makes everything so much more difficult.

We tried for Stafford and hoped Fitz would buy us 1 year of serviceable play. While Heinike can scramble, I think he is handicapping the offensive playbook and not seeing the field, not getting the ball out on time as intended. 1/4 of the plays it doesnt matter what Turner called bc Heinike doesnt execute it and reverts to his legs or broken play backyard football.

Lets give RR, Del Rio and Turner the season to see if they can adjust things and improve.

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[quote=SunnySide;1292902]I think he is a good Head Coach. A leader of men. A Head Coach doesnt need to be the X and Os guy on offense or defense. RR allocates a good bit to his OC and DC.

We have had horrible QB play for the 20 games he has been here. it makes everything so much more difficult.

We tried for Stafford and hoped Fitz would buy us 1 year of serviceable play. While Heinike can scramble, I think he is handicapping the offensive playbook and not seeing the field, not getting the ball out on time as intended. 1/4 of the plays it doesnt matter what Turner called bc Heinike doesnt execute it and reverts to his legs or broken play backyard football.

Lets give RR, Del Rio and Turner the season to see if they can adjust things and improve.[/quote]

Yep - agreed.

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[quote=punch it in;1292901]Now I would imagine that is Ron trying to give a boost of confidence to TH. Which is fine, except u basically just told your current backup quarterback (who easily could be seeing playing time this year with TH’s injury history) that he is such a turd nugget that you basically forgot he was on the team. How about you say something like “i have faith in both Taylor and Kyle”. Isn’t that like coaching psychology 101? [emoji1750][/quote]

Kyle is the backup for a reason. I assume he understands his place on the team by now. There's really no sense in putting additional pressure on TH by answering that question any other way. The last thing this team needs at this point is the starting QB (who has three NFL starts) looking over his shoulder.

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[quote=punch it in;1292901]Now I would imagine that is Ron trying to give a boost of confidence to TH. Which is fine, except u basically just told your current backup quarterback (who easily could be seeing playing time this year with TH’s injury history) that he is such a turd nugget that you basically forgot he was on the team. How about you say something like “i have faith in both Taylor and Kyle”. Isn’t that like coaching psychology 101? [emoji1750][/quote]

Yeah and if you are that sold on TH why did you go all in on Fitz? I just don't think Ron has a clue when it comes to QB needs.. He seems like the kind of coach that thinks he can win with anyone

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1292905]Yeah and if you are that sold on TH why did you go all in on Fitz? I just don't think Ron has a clue when it comes to QB needs.. He seems like the kind of coach that thinks he can win with anyone[/QUOTE]


Guess he has short and long term memory loss. His best season , by far, was with an MVP quarterback. Other than that he has not been very successful.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292904]Kyle is the backup for a reason. I assume he understands his place on the team by now. There's really no sense in putting additional pressure on TH by answering that question any other way. The last thing this team needs at this point is the starting QB (who has three NFL starts) looking over his shoulder.[/QUOTE]


How is saying “i have faith in both guys” putting any pressure at all on TH? Not only would TH probably understand the answer, but I really doubt he is looking over his shoulder at Kyle Allen regardless of what anyone says. Hell I dont think I would and the last time I played quarterback was with the neighborhood crew when i was 9 years old.

Also of course Kyle Allen is happy to even be a backup and i agree he knows that but if he gets put in a game you don’t want comments like that running through your brain I would imagine.

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"I have not considered replacing TH with KA at all" is much more of a vote of confidence than "I have faith in both Taylor and Kyle". Both can certainly be true...but as the starter, I'd much rather hear the former.

My guess is both Kyle and Taylor know the coach has faith in them, or they wouldn't be on the team.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292905]Yeah and if you are that sold on TH why did you go all in on Fitz? I just don't think Ron has a clue when it comes to QB needs.. He seems like the kind of coach that thinks he can win with anyone[/quote]

one ugly loss and I feel like we are collectively unraveling around here

I think RR and our situation proves just how hard it is to find a top 15 type Qb. He tried for Stafford, settled for Fitz over the other less than desirable options.

I think RR would give his best pinky for a competent QB right now.

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Im guessing we see Allen before Fitz is cleared to play. Still early. Heinike still gets 2 or so more games but his window is closing. Question is .. does Heinke's grit and off schedule abilities outweigh Allen's ability to get the ball out quickly and to teh right guy.

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I just read that Matt Ryan is 5-0 against us. Danny Jones was 4-0 against us. They both get their first L against us, finally.

WFT 26
ATL 20

Not a good enough game to cheer many of us up that much, but 2-2 is better than the alternative.


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I should add that if ATL marches down the field for a td in the opening drive, RR should walk over to JDR and slap him silly.


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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1292913]one ugly loss and I feel like we are collectively unraveling around here.[/QUOTE]

It is more than one ugly loss. It is three butt ugly games by our defense, a starting quarterback getting hurt…again…and we are facing a gauntlet of a schedule. Green Bay had one ugly loss, and their fan base should not unravel. We have been unraveling since the dawn of man it feels like, in other words we have all seen this movie before and we know how it ends. Tears, pain, in fighting on these threads, and pretending we no longer care about football lol.

Sorry. It is too easy to be negative with this team, because I am going to be correct like 80 % of the time and who doesn’t like being correct?

However in the name of hopes and dreams IF we do win Sunday, and clearly we SHOULD be able to we are 2-2 and than you cross your fingers and pray as we run the gauntlet. If we lose to Atlanta than there will be no more talk of hopes and dreams in 2021.

In all actuality this game is as code red as code red gets. It is like fire engine red code red.

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Any word on how Curtis Samuel fared at practice today?

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1292917]Any word on how Curtis Samuel fared at practice today?[/QUOTE]


No news is good news….

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1292916]It is more than one ugly loss. It is three butt ugly games by our defense, a starting quarterback getting hurt…again…and we are facing a gauntlet of a schedule. Green Bay had one ugly loss, and their fan base should not unravel. We have been unraveling since the dawn of man it feels like, in other words we have all seen this movie before and we know how it ends. Tears, pain, in fighting on these threads, and pretending we no longer care about football lol.

Sorry. It is too easy to be negative with this team, because I am going to be correct like 80 % of the time and who doesn’t like being correct?

However in the name of hopes and dreams IF we do win Sunday, and clearly we SHOULD be able to we are 2-2 and than you cross your fingers and pray as we run the gauntlet. If we lose to Atlanta than there will be no more talk of hopes and dreams in 2021.

In all actuality this game is as code red as code red gets. It is like fire engine red code red.[/QUOTE]I know "should be able to win" and "should win" are not the same thing.
But I have a hard time with this narration that the Falcons are worse than us. We're coming off a beat down and they are coming off a win. It's a show down between two really bad teams at the moment.
I hope we win, but to me it's a toss up.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1292902]I think he is a good Head Coach. A leader of men. A Head Coach doesnt need to be the X and Os guy on offense or defense. RR allocates a good bit to his OC and DC.



We have had mostly bad QB play for the 20 games he has been here. it makes everything so much more difficult.



We tried for Stafford and hoped Fitz would buy us 1 year of serviceable play. While Heinike can scramble, I think he is handicapping the offensive playbook and not seeing the field, not getting the ball out on time as intended. 1/4 of the plays it doesnt matter what Turner called bc Heinike doesnt execute it and reverts to his legs or broken play backyard football.



Lets give RR, Del Rio and Turner the season to see if they can adjust things and improve.[/QUOTE]I do think RR is a good coach, and I want to believe he's a good leader... But he hasn't proven that so far.
It's now 3 weeks in a row that he's saying guys are not doing what they're asked to do, not playing their responsibilities. And it's getting worse.
A good leader either gets these guys in line or finds a way to have them buy into what they're doing. Clearly neither our DEs nor the secondary are.
That doesn't speak to Ron's leadership abilities IMO.

I hope he, and they, shut all us negative Nancys up really quick but...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292895]"We are not where we need to be and we all need to understand that" RR

Um what does that mean Ron? [B]Are you throwing in the towel already?[/B] Or is he just letting us know we will suck this yr[/quote]

Is that really an idea you are considering?

It sounds to me like he's saying we're underperforming and everybody needs to understand it.

Don't get the lifeboats ready just yet.

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Too late man, they're clearing the slipway and paging the lifeboat crew as we speak.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1292941]I know "should be able to win" and "should win" are not the same thing.
But I have a hard time with this narration that the Falcons are worse than us. We're coming off a beat down and they are coming off a win. [B]It's a show down between two really bad teams at the moment.[/B]
I hope we win, but to me it's a toss up.

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I'd prefer to think of it as a meeting between a stoppable force and a moveable object

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1292941]I know "should be able to win" and "should win" are not the same thing.
But I have a hard time with this narration that the Falcons are worse than us. We're coming off a beat down and they are coming off a win. It's a show down between two really bad teams at the moment.
I hope we win, but to me it's a toss up.

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This..

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292962]Too late man, they're clearing the slipway and paging the lifeboat crew as we speak.[/QUOTE]


And you are going to miss your lifeboat. Lol.
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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1292942]I do think RR is a good coach, and I want to believe he's a good leader... But he hasn't proven that so far.
It's now 3 weeks in a row that he's saying guys are not doing what they're asked to do, not playing their responsibilities. And it's getting worse.
A good leader either gets these guys in line or finds a way to have them buy into what they're doing. Clearly neither our DEs nor the secondary are.
That doesn't speak to Ron's leadership abilities IMO.

I hope he, and they, shut all us negative Nancys up really quick but...

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To me good coach and good leader are the same thing. Just a different style. You can be a BB or a Gruden on the sidelines in other words a cheer leader or a statue - but either way you need to do your job during the week. I expect a coach to say “its on me to get these guys prepared “ not basically blame them or act like the coaches are putting them in a position to win and they are failing.

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[quote=punch it in;1292974]And you are going to miss your lifeboat. Lol.
[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/K9122Rp8lIa4M/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Chief's going down with the ship - for sure.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292980]Chief's going down with the ship - for sure.[/QUOTE]


Haha. Commendable Chief. Commendable.