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Jamin Davis…out of position and all game . Zero impact

2 tackles

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[QUOTE=OnceWeWereKings;1295040]I'm, honestly going to start putting on my tin foil hat soon and assume that the lack of change in the secondary has something to do with Snyder calling the shots. I am starting to have some sort of feeling that he won't let the coach change the high profile fa signings that are in place. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

I hope I have a large plate of crow to feast on....but we are going to get absolutely torched in the coming weeks. I know most if not all of us were really hopeful going into this season...but this may be one of the worst seasons in years. Any given Sunday and all....but we don't really have a chance till week 14 or so, except for maybe the wilsonless seahawks....
These are dark times.
Winter is coming.[/QUOTE]


I do not understand that “playing the guys you are paying “ philosophy. At all. I mean, how does losing make it easier to swallow the fact you are paying some douche a ton of money? That would be the first mother fucker id bench. Like oh you are gonna steal my money - im gonna sit ur ass. I may not get the money back but I’ll humiliate ur over paid under performing ass by benching it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1295045]Jamin Davis…out of position and all game . Zero impact

2 tackles[/quote]

Still should be on the field 100% of the snaps along with Curl.

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[quote=punch it in;1295046]I do not understand that “playing the guys you are paying “ philosophy. At all. I mean, how does losing make it easier to swallow the fact you are paying some douche a ton of money? That would be the first mother fucker id bench. Like oh you are gonna steal my money - im gonna sit ur ass. I may not get the money back but I’ll humiliate ur high paid ass by benching it.[/quote]

I agree...100%.
But we've all seen what Snyder has done with players that he valued and spent money or a pick on. And not playing better players that weren't his picks.
I bought into the whole "different changed culture" and we've "turned the page".
But it really is starting to feel like nothing has changed except our name. The trick was just more clever this time.

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Didn’t see the game (not televised here in Northern CA) but it sounds like I should be glad. Sheesh. The Chiefs will hang 50 on us if they want to. They’re going to be favored by like a gajillion.


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[quote=calia;1295054]Didn’t see the game (not televised here in Northern CA) but it sounds like I should be glad. Sheesh. The Chiefs will hang 50 on us if they want to. They’re going to be favored by like a gajillion.


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Get Directv Sunday game subscription and watch it on your laptop, I also live in Norcal.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1294969]Shitty as fuck KCT1975



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KCT1975 was bad.[/QUOTE]

Yes I was [emoji106]

My apologies to everyone for my horrible behavior!



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Yeah jamin Davis has been awful

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1295061]Yeah KCT1975 is awful[/QUOTE]

Yes I am! [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1295057]Get Directv Sunday game subscription and watch it on your laptop, I also live in Norcal.[/QUOTE]


I wouldn’t want to limited to watching on my laptop and DirecTv can’t work at my house as we have sequoias that block the direction the signal needs to go. Alas.

Back to the team, they really must make some personnel changes based on everything I’m reading. I don’t understand the any hesitation. Could it be worse in the secondary?


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[quote=calia;1295066]I wouldn’t want to limited to watching on my laptop and DirecTv can’t work at my house as we have sequoias that block the direction the signal needs to go. Alas.

Back to the team, they really must make some personnel changes based on everything I’m reading. I don’t understand the any hesitation. Could it be worse in the secondary?


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I have the same tree issue, like I said get the online SundayTicket subscription, get an HDMI cable from your laptop to your TV and you are watching it on the big screen. I’ll even come help you if you want.

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I think the best player today for Washington was Dustin Hopkins. That says everything we need to know.

Pretty much the way I thought this game would play out. The defense played a little better overall, but they gave up their signature big plays, and couldn't overcome the struggles on the offensive side.

It was a game that they absolutely should have won, but 0 touchdowns, 2 interceptions (probably should have been 5), less than 50% completion percentage... hard to win with QB play like that.

I hope all the Heinicke lovers have come back to reality. Every single game that he has played could have turned out just like this one. You can dismiss all the dropped interceptions, and say that every quarterback does that, but he does it at a rate that is unacceptable. He has been lucky, and luck like that is unsustainable. I don't care how f'n gritty he is, he is not the long term solution, period.

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Call me crazy. But I enjoyed the game. Fun to watch. And I kinda feel a bit better about this team, not worse.
That's not saying much because I was as down as can be, even after our 2 wins. Our D hadn't shown anything so far.

I told you guys we were facing a good defense, and a solid DL.
So I'm not really mad at Heinicke, we know who he is right now, we know facing good defenses he's gonna make mistakes. He still made some nice plays.

Put the blown coverage and the Hail Mary aside for 20 sec (I'll come back to it), and I don't think our D played that bad. They made some stops, our DL made more plays than the previous weeks. CY had a decent game. Payne was on fire, again.

Now.

Let's get back to those 2 plays...

And to whom I'm mad at: LANDON EFFIN COLLINS and KYLE FREAKIN FULLER. Those 2 pieces of shit are not even allowed to lick my balls. They get to eat my turd after a KFC meal and a massive hangover.

If Ron is real about culture and accountability, they are getting benched/cut this week. This secondary is a burning pile of garbage. Juste, Curl, McTyer are ok. WJ3 is struggling but gets a couple of weeks before final judgement in my book. But Fuller and Collins can burn in football hell as far as I'm concerned. Unacceptable. Elevate Reaves, get him and Everett on the field. Try Darryl Roberts. And Moreland too... Oh no that's right we cut him because who needs one of the best slot CB in the league by many advanced stats ?!


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Regarding Collins - he is a pile of 💩 no question. But at this point I blame the coaches for putting him out there. He sucked BEFORE he got hurt. Now he is worse yet they keep trotting him out there. That is on Ron and Del Rio. Is it cause he makes a lot? I don't get it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1295045]Jamin Davis…out of position and all game . Zero impact

2 tackles[/quote]

He gets a pass imo. For his first season at least. Some guys are drafted because they're athletic, some because they're smart. The best ones are drafted for both.

We knew he was a project when we took him, but his strength is his athleticism. Now he just needs time to develop.

Week to week I still think he's getting better, but there are gonna be some bad weeks mixed in.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1295069]I think the best player today for Washington was Dustin Hopkins. That says everything we need to know.

Pretty much the way I thought this game would play out. The defense played a little better overall, but they gave up their signature big plays, and couldn't overcome the struggles on the offensive side.

It was a game that they absolutely should have won, but 0 touchdowns, 2 interceptions (probably should have been 5), less than 50% completion percentage... hard to win with QB play like that.

I hope all the Heinicke lovers have come back to reality. Every single game that he has played could have turned out just like this one. You can dismiss all the dropped interceptions, and say that every quarterback does that, but he does it at a rate that is unacceptable. He has been lucky, and luck like that is unsustainable. I don't care how f'n gritty he is, he is not the long term solution, period.[/QUOTE]


I will admit Heineken is probably not the guy when you admit Rivera probably isn’t either. Lol

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1295069]I think the best player today for Washington was Dustin Hopkins. That says everything we need to know.



Pretty much the way I thought this game would play out. The defense played a little better overall, but they gave up their signature big plays, and couldn't overcome the struggles on the offensive side.



It was a game that they absolutely should have won, but 0 touchdowns, 2 interceptions (probably should have been 5), less than 50% completion percentage... hard to win with QB play like that.



I hope all the Heinicke lovers have come back to reality. Every single game that he has played could have turned out just like this one. You can dismiss all the dropped interceptions, and say that every quarterback does that, but he does it at a rate that is unacceptable. He has been lucky, and luck like that is unsustainable. I don't care how f'n gritty he is, he is not the long term solution, period.[/QUOTE]Heinicke was put in terrible positions by Turner repeatedly. That said had he hit the wide open receiver on the first drive and kept that alive, and we went up 7-0 maybe he doesn't get as rattled later. I do wonder if Samuel's groin injury had something to do with the pass at the endzone, like it was a come back throw and Samuel's couldn't cut back. Seemed like the throw to Patterson in an earlier game where Patterson came back to the ball.

A couple errant throws, but better play calling and a defense that didn't give up 14 free points and we win that game with Heinicke at qb.

One last thing, did anyone think that if the defense made a stop on the last drive Heinicke could not have gotten the go ahead score. I know I felt like he could.

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Said it once and I will say it again. Either 90 percent of our team stinks or our staff does. I pray it is the staff. I know it is the staff. We got holes just like any other team but our coaches shine a light on our weaknesses. They are turning a 7-9 win team into a 2-3 win team.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1295057]Get Directv Sunday game subscription and watch it on your laptop, I also live in Norcal.[/quote]

Lol This is the funniest thing I have read in a while, why would anybody go pay for this shit show right now? Before the season when hopes were high then maybe, but now that we see what the team is? :banghead:

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[quote=punch it in;1295083]Said it once and I will say it again. Either 90 percent of our team stinks or our staff does. I pray it is the staff. I know it is the staff. We got holes just like any other team but our coaches shine a light on our weaknesses. They are turning a 7-9 win team into a 2-3 win team.[/quote]

I'm with you. At some point if guys getting paid millions can't remember a quarter defense 5 weeks in a row it's on the staff. Some thing(s) ain't done right...

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[quote=htownskinfan;1295085]Lol This is the funniest thing I have read in a while, why would anybody go pay for this shit show right now? Before the season when hopes were high then maybe, but now that we see what the team is? :banghead:[/quote]

yep glad i got it for free this yr... Called before the season and asked or lower prices and they hooked me up with it. I watch other teams usually, especially when we are getting blown out

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1295087]I'm with you. At some point if guys getting paid millions can't remember a quarter defense 5 weeks in a row it's on the staff. Some thing(s) ain't done right...[/QUOTE]


Right. They keep making the same mistakes. If players just naturally knew where to line up and what to do we wouldn’t need damn coaches. These guys are not being coached correctly or they are collectively the dumbest 53 man roster in history. You can tell when a team just isnt skilled enough or physically gifted enough but they are coached well and trying. In our case we have some superb athletes who simply have no idea what they are supposed to do. This team might be the best example of why coaching matters ever.
Nobody on this board thought we were this bad. We weren’t nearly this bad last year. No talking head or football expert out there thought we were this bad before the season started.
So again either everyone in the world was wrong about our potential or our coaching staff is making us worse. People need to be fired. And im not talking about some dude we didn’t even know was on the sidelines as some sort of gesture.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295088]yep glad i got it for free this yr... Called before the season and asked or lower prices and they hooked me up with it. I watch other teams usually, especially when we are getting blown out[/quote]

Do you have DirectTV or did you get the Sunday Ticket package as standalone?

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[quote=htownskinfan;1295085]Lol This is the funniest thing I have read in a while, why would anybody go pay for this shit show right now? Before the season when hopes were high then maybe, but now that we see what the team is? :banghead:[/quote]
Yea...I paid for it to go through the app as I don't have direct tv...but had I known then, I may not have paid. Like....I actually pay a premium price to watch this every week. I should start picking up Sunday ot at work..cause this tram is just painful to watch anymore

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[quote=GridIron26;1295091]Do you have DirectTV or did you get the Sunday Ticket package as standalone?[/quote]

I have DTV, But once the Sunday Ticket leaves them I'm done with satellite

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295088]yep glad i got it for free this yr... Called before the season and asked or lower prices and they hooked me up with it. I watch other teams usually, especially when we are getting blown out[/quote]

Another free option is Bilasport.net You can get all major leagues for free. Their pop ups and chat stream are annoying but it is free.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295061]Yeah jamin Davis has been awful[/quote]

Guy is a rookie who played 13 snaps, wasn't standing there admiring the leaping ability of the opposing receivers in our endzone . He is the least of our problems right now. Of course long term this is the guy who was picked by and is being coached by a group who right now don't seem to know their ass from their elbow, so his career path may not be long or glorious.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1295094]Another free option is Bilasport.net You can get all major leagues for free. Their pop ups and chat stream are annoying but it is free.[/QUOTE]


Are there any options that pay us to watch? Id be interested in that. Not easy money but i would sacrifice.

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[quote=punch it in;1295083]Said it once and I will say it again. Either 90 percent of our team stinks or our staff does. I pray it is the staff. I know it is the staff. We got holes just like any other team but our coaches shine a light on our weaknesses. They are turning a 7-9 win team into a 2-3 win team.[/quote]

Why did we go 7-9? Cause I can tell you right now if Joe Burrow does not rip his knee up it is 6-10. Then we got to play a rookie Jalen Hurts and then Sud. Who was the QB when we played Dallas? Dalton and someone else? Nick Mullens for the 49ers.

Then we get to Brady and they go for over 500 yards. If you are a good defense you do not allow anyone that amount of yardage. You rarely see 500 in NFL games. Last season all the breaks go our way.

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[quote=punch it in;1295097]Are there any options that pay us to watch? Id be interested in that. Not easy money but i would sacrifice.[/quote]

WFT should definitely pay us to watch.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1295098]Why did we go 7-9? Cause I can tell you right now if Joe Burrow does not rip his knee up it is 6-10. Then we got to play a rookie Jalen Hurts and then Sud. Who was the QB when we played Dallas? Dalton and someone else? Nick Mullens for the 49ers.

Then we get to Brady and they go for over 500 yards. If you are a good defense you do not allow anyone that amount of yardage. You rarely see 500 in NFL games. Last season all the breaks go our way.[/quote]

Yep this is exactly what happened folks, we got LUCKY to even be 7-9 last yr.. Ron is not a good coach I'm sorry and JDR is straight ass too. Heineke sucked yesterday but at least he has some fun moments, other than that this team is boring as hell to watch.

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Also they should just release the new name now, it would give us something to talk about other than this shitty season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295103]Also they should just release the new name now, it would give us something to talk about other than this shitty season.[/quote]

They wouldn't want the new name to start off being associated with the current team, I think they baught into the optimism going into this season when setting the date to be after the superbowl. Wonder whether they are thinking about delaying it now lol

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1295098]Why did we go 7-9? Cause I can tell you right now if Joe Burrow does not rip his knee up it is 6-10. Then we got to play a rookie Jalen Hurts and then Sud. Who was the QB when we played Dallas? Dalton and someone else? Nick Mullens for the 49ers.

Then we get to Brady and they go for over 500 yards. If you are a good defense you do not allow anyone that amount of yardage. You rarely see 500 in NFL games. Last season all the breaks go our way.[/QUOTE]


I wasn’t referring to last years team i was referring to what we thought this team would be this year. However I agree with you 100 percent. We should have been this bad last year. We definitely got lucky with opposing quarterbacks more than once.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295102]Yep this is exactly what happened folks, we got LUCKY to even be 7-9 last yr.. Ron is not a good coach I'm sorry and JDR is straight ass too. Heineke sucked yesterday but at least he has some fun moments, other than that this team is boring as hell to watch.[/quote]

I am starting to bail on Ron and here is why. They sign Jackson and he is a press man corner. That is what he does. He said that himself. They're asking him to play zone which he obviously can not do very well. Who's fault is that? Then this thing w/ Collins who can not run and should not be the last line of defense. He is slow and can not run and we saw he can't jump. Stop putting him in shitty positions.

We have seen the zone defense not work so stop doing it. Yet every week we see this shit. We see the same guys blowing coverages. Sit them. To me Ron is stubborn and not willing to adjust things. He can not adjust on the fly at all.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1295111]I am starting to bail on Ron and here is why. They sign Jackson and he is a press man corner. That is what he does. He said that himself. They're asking him to play zone which he obviously can not do very well. Who's fault is that? Then this thing w/ Collins who can not run and should not be the last line of defense. He is slow and can not run and we saw he can't jump. Stop putting him in shitty positions.

We have seen the zone defense not work so stop doing it. Yet every week we see this shit. We see the same guys blowing coverages. Sit them. To me Ron is stubborn and not willing to adjust things. He can not adjust on the fly at all.[/quote]

Just like the QB situation, instead of drafting a QB this yr or last yr he ignores it and bring in Fitzmagic to be the guy... Dude is a 38 YO backup for a reason. Yeah hes fun to watch at times and I was hoping he'd work put but it didn't. Now you are back to square one , Heineke is a solid QB2 that's it

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[quote=skinsfan69;1295111]I am starting to bail on Ron and here is why. They sign Jackson and he is a press man corner. That is what he does. He said that himself. They're asking him to play zone which he obviously can not do very well. Who's fault is that? [B]Then this thing w/ Collins who can not run and should not be the last line of defense. He is slow and can not run and we saw he can't jump. Stop putting him in shitty positions.[/B]

We have seen the zone defense not work so stop doing it. Yet every week we see this shit. We see the same guys blowing coverages. Sit them. To me Ron is stubborn and not willing to adjust things. He can not adjust on the fly at all.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly, why is he ever anymore than 10 yards form the LOS, the other team can see him and know he cannot cover in space yet the team keep asking him to take deep cover responsibility.

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If this team goes 5-12 do u fire Ron? I think u really have to consider it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295118]If this team goes 5-12 do u fire Ron? I think u really have to consider it.[/quote]

After 2 years of a rebuild probably not, or we are back to the "dysfunctional franchise can't hire a recognized coach" roundabout for another 10 years. But the arrow should at least be pointing slightly upwards after year 2, not nose diving.

You might be justified in pressuring him into a DC change, but then we have been on that carousel for the last 8 years anyway and it hasn't worked either. And who would want to come here if they are going to be fired after 2 years, that was a major problem Gruden had in the end and so we were left with Manusky.

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Interested in the snap counts. Odd stats. Odd game.

Winston went 15/30 but was averaging 9.8 yds and 4 tds 1 int

McLaurin targeted 11 times, 4 catches, 46 yds

McKissic only had 3 touches

Allen and Matty I had 3 QB hits each

Gibson was fed the ball, 20 carries for 60 yds

33 runs, 41 drop backs

Heinike was 20/41, 6 yds avg

Saints 4/11 on 3rd down

Skins 5/16 on 3rd down

TOP favored us 36 to 23

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I wanted Del Rio to play less LBs and more safeties in passing plays. Did it work? Winston was 15/30 so that looks good but he missed open guys and hit on some big chunk plays.

Lots of our runs started with the runner momentum going parallel to the LOS and not north-south hitting the hole/line hard.

We needed to win the winnable games on our schedule to try and tread water until the last 5 division games.

We need to steal one from Chiefs Packs or Bucs now.