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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1296823]From Galdi

"Would it not be so fitting - and such poetic justice - for Dan Snyder to be taken down by a congressional investigation incited by emails that he himself (allegedly) leaked to exact revenge on Bruce Allen but that served to reignite a scandal that was over?"

So true...[/quote]

This would be ideal and best use of my tax money

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[quote=MTK;1296784]If he were to replicate his Carolina success here he'd be a hero... does his resume really look under an underachiever though?

76-63-1 record
4 playoff appearances
3 division titles
1 Super Bowl appearance[/quote]

He would be a hero here but the bar is really low here.

Since Ron was so successful in Carolina maybe we should cut him some slack here. If it took him 3 season with one of the best QBs in the NFL to have a winning season there he's got no chance here. Maybe if he gets a top QB this offseason we can start the 3 year clock.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1296822]Get your Cardinals logo back lol.[/QUOTE]


I went pre Snyder with Dexter

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[QUOTE=MTK;1296784]If he were to replicate his Carolina success here he'd be a hero... does his resume really look under an underachiever though?

76-63-1 record
4 playoff appearances
3 division titles
1 Super Bowl appearance[/QUOTE]


6 out of 9 seasons were losing seasons, and he was 3-5 in the postseason. Snuck in with a 7-8-1 record one year. So one of those division titles was like ours last year. Basically besides that year where Superman was his quarterback and he had a stacked team he won one playoff game in 8 years.

Better than what we have had here yes. But that standard is pretty damn low.

He had a very solid team for years and won 3 playoff games? I don’t know if I would call that successful or under achieving to tell u the truth. And with this roster he has absolutely no chance.

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You can spin the numbers any way you want, bottom line is would anyone here really turn their nose up at going 12-4 or 15-1 and getting to a SB, even if its sandwiched between some losing seasons? Get outta here.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1296846]You can spin the numbers any way you want, bottom line is would anyone here really turn their nose up at going 12-4 or 15-1 and getting to a SB, even if its sandwiched between some losing seasons? Get outta here.[/QUOTE]


Spinning or stating them exactly how they are? He was 3-5 in the playoffs. He had 3 winning seasons out of 9. How is that spinning? Lol.
When he had a great team he was successful. When he had average or even good teams he lost more than he won.
Of course anyone here would take a 12-4 or 15-1 season. Anyone anywhere would.
Doesn’t mean Ron Rivera is the guy who is going to do it.
I guess we should hire Doug Pederson. He won a superbowl. Come on Matty.
I do not think he is the guy. Doesn’t mean I think he is the worst coach ever. Let’s give it time though. We can have this conversation again in a couple years.

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What is it w/ you guys w/ helmets? I love what the Ravens are doing. Their operation is so damn solid. Year after year no matter how many injuries they just seem to overcome it all and keep winning. You have to respect the hell out of them. But I can't actually root for them.

Maybe one day we will get a QB that can put the franchise on his back when needed. I feel Jackson has become that player for the Ravens.

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[quote=punch it in;1296847]Spinning or stating them exactly how they are? He was 3-5 in the playoffs. He had 3 winning seasons out of 9. How is that spinning? Lol.
When he had a great team he was successful. When he had average or even good teams he lost more than he won.
Of course anyone here would take a 12-4 or 15-1 season. Anyone anywhere would.
Doesn’t mean Ron Rivera is the guy who is going to do it.
I guess we should hire Doug Pederson. He won a superbowl. Come on Matty.
I do not think he is the guy. Doesn’t mean I think he is the worst coach ever. Let’s give it time though. We can have this conversation again in a couple years.[/quote]

Its called cherry picking to suit the narrative you want. This started when irish said he was a big underachiever in Carolina. Looking at his overall resume I'd argue that's simply not true.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1296846]You can spin the numbers any way you want, bottom line is would anyone here really turn their nose up at going 12-4 or 15-1 and getting to a SB, even if its sandwiched between some losing seasons? Get outta here.[/QUOTE]

True. And consider that to get a better coach in future (assuming RR can't get above his average to date), then you need an attractive team/organisation. Someone of the same calibre as Blichick, Reid, Tomlin, or even a younger guy like McVay are not going to set foot in the building unless they have the prospect of a winning season inside 2 years all but nailed on. Unless they're a complete masochist of course.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1296848]What is it w/ you guys w/ helmets? I love what the Ravens are doing. Their operation is so damn solid. Year after year no matter how many injuries they just seem to overcome it all and keep winning. You have to respect the hell out of them. But I can't actually root for them.

Maybe one day we will get a QB that can put the franchise on his back when needed. I feel Jackson has become that player for the Ravens.[/quote]

I thought you weren't a believer in Jackson and their college offense?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1296849]Its called cherry picking to suit the narrative you want. This started when irish said he was a big underachiever in Carolina. Looking at his overall resume I'd argue that's simply not true.[/QUOTE]


I promise im not cherry picking and i have no narrative. I want anyone involved with this team to succeed. Period. I believe he was an under achiever too. 6 out of 9 seasons he was a loser as a HC. I believe he had a good enough team to do better than that.
We just disagree. I hope you are right. I hope RR rights the ship.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1296855]And consider that to get a better coach in future (assuming RR can't get above his average to date), .[/QUOTE]

Do you assume he is going to?

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[quote=MTK;1296846]You can spin the numbers any way you want, bottom line is would anyone here really turn their nose up at going 12-4 or 15-1 and getting to a SB, even if its sandwiched between some losing seasons? Get outta here.[/quote]

Of course nobody would turn their noses up at 12-4 and 15-1 and a SB appearance. But to me the real bottom line is he had one of the best QBs in the league and some very good teams but still only produced 3 winning seasons. If that's what he did with talent, he's got no chance here.

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[quote=MTK;1296846]You can spin the numbers any way you want, bottom line is would anyone here really turn their nose up at going 12-4 or 15-1 and getting to a SB, even if its sandwiched between some losing seasons? Get outta here.[/quote]

We have to combine 2 good years, by our standards, to get to 15 wins.

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What are the Browns to do with Baker?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1296894]What are the Browns to do with Baker?[/quote]

Gonna be completely honest, I’d don’t know if you pay him a top salary. Id give him an honest valuation and a fair deal. If he wants a ton, I’d move him

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[quote=Chico23231;1296898]Gonna be completely honest, I’d don’t know if you pay him a top salary. Id give him an honest valuation and a fair deal. If he wants a ton, I’d move him[/quote]

Agree.

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Baker is going to get a top dollar contract, are we really going to go through this pointless debate anytime a top 10-15 QB comes up for a deal lol

Especially since we're talking about the Browns, probably the only team that has cycled through more QBs than we have the last 20 years.

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[quote=MTK;1296900]Baker is going to get a top dollar contract, are we really going to go through this pointless debate anytime a top 10-15 QB comes up for a deal lol

Especially since we're talking about the Browns, probably the only team that has cycled through more QBs than we have the last 20 years.[/quote]

If the Browns don't want him, I'll take him here.

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That browns system is a running system (kinda like how we should improve our team, alas) that last night proves you can plug in a RB and they can excel.

Baker is an decent guy, in all honesty I’d move on from ODB and Landry tho before I’d move on from Baker.

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[quote=Chico23231;1296902]That browns system is a running system (kinda like how we should improve our team, alas) that last night proves you can plug in a RB and they can excel.

Baker is an decent guy, in all honesty I’d move on from ODB and Landry tho before I’d move on from Baker.[/quote]

Baker should retire and pursue his acting career. Dude is hilarious.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1296901]If the Browns don't want him, I'll take him here.[/quote]

He'd have no problem finding a nice contract with someone else if he became available and yeah I'd take him.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1296894]What are the Browns to do with Baker?[/QUOTE]


Trade him to us for Landon Collins?

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[quote=MTK;1296900]Baker is going to get a top dollar contract, are we really going to go through this pointless debate anytime a top 10-15 QB comes up for a deal lol

Especially since we're talking about [B]the Browns, probably the only team that has cycled through more QBs than we have the last 20 years[/B].[/quote]

You are correct.

Clev - 28 QBs since 1999
WFT - 23 QBs since 2000

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Hopefully they don't give him the Kirk treatment

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QB stability is crucial. Last year was their first playoff win since 1994. They also played Chiefs well in their loss. I don't see why you give that up. You might not get to SB but you will be competitive while you bide your time to draft your future QB.

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[quote=irish;1296906]You are correct.

Clev - 28 QBs since 1999
WFT - 23 QBs since 2000[/quote]

Don't forget da Bears 26 QBs since 2000

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How is even Baker Mayfield a debate? Browns would be pretty stupid to let him go. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

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What the fuck is wrong with Kyle Shanahan? Dude likes to get too cute and he outsmarts his own self. WHy isn't he running the god damn ball every single down basically? Did he not watch the 1st quarter?

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Jimmy G has some great moments and also some BAD moments.. he’s so inconsistent

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Do not want Mayfield. Clev can have him.

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Am I the only one who was a bit puzzled by Dan Campbell and Sean McVay both going for it on 4th down on successive drives in the 3rd? I kind of get Detroit going for it (like our 4th down attempts, nothing to lose really), but LA were down 2 and in FG range? problem with their kicker?

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Joe Burrow > Lamar Jackson, Baler Mayfield

And it’s not close

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Congrats to the Bengals! While I don't mind the Ravens it is nice to see a long suffering franchise that appears to have found it's QB. (They were incredibly consistent during the Marvin Lewis years but overall as a franchise pretty woeful.)

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1297364]Congrats to the Bengals! While I don't mind the Ravens it is nice to see a long suffering franchise that appears to have found it's QB. (They were incredibly consistent during the Marvin Lewis years but overall as a franchise pretty woeful.)[/QUOTE]

I'd say they've found their QB and receiver. This is looking like the new Montana-Rice combination. Or Manning-Wayne. Challenge for Cincy is keeping them both on the roster as long as possible.

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Chase had a bad pre-season. Apparently he was just trolling everyone. Looks like an absolute stud so far.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1297415]Chase had a bad pre-season. Apparently he was just trolling everyone. Looks like an absolute stud so far.[/quote]

Is this a joke or sarcasm at it's finest?

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[quote=htownskinfan;1297431]Is this a joke or sarcasm at it's finest?[/quote]

Pretty sure he’s referring to Ja’Mar Chase on the Bengals, not C. Young lol

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1297415]Chase had a bad pre-season. Apparently he was just trolling everyone. Looks like an absolute stud so far.[/quote]

I remember Bengals getting dragged through the coals for not going LT with the first round. Right now it looks like they made the right decision.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1297431]Is this a joke or sarcasm at it's finest?[/quote]

Chase, the WR for the Bengals.