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[quote=punch it in;1297367]My good loss narrative is catching on!
If this keeps up we might be the best losers ever.

The difference between good teams and bad teams is good teams can overcome mistakes. When you are a bad team and you make mistakes you have no chance. Yes we can fall back on the “hey if not for a couple plays we win that game” - it is better than getting your ass kicked I suppose, but a good team isn’t buried by a couple mistakes, because it makes up for them on the next set of downs or so. We make a mistake and its “oh crap that was our chance”.

I got a hard time finding improvement in a loss.[/quote]

Bro pointing out improvements in gameplay isnt a “narrative”…yes a loss is a loss. But astute fans of the Warpath brand know football and we can discern dumpfire from good football. Seeing the defense improve is what we have been waiting for…seeing the growth of Davis, the improve play of Collins since his reassignment is kinda what diehards do here.

Yes you are what your record says you are, but seeing better play is welcoming

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[QUOTE=MTK;1297368]FFS this team just finds new ways each week to beat down the fan base on and off the field.[/QUOTE]


We lose to a crappy Denver team and that’s probably the season. Imo the season is over but from an overly optimistic standpoint if we lose to Denver even a wildcard is a far away pipe dream.

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I too am enthusiastic about seeing more of Collins in his new role. Jamin Davis just needs time. But if we can make Collins productive again - maybe we can flip him for a late round pick or something.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1297369]Bro pointing out improvements in gameplay isnt a “narrative”…yes a loss is a loss. But astute fans of the Warpath brand know football and we can discern dumpfire from good football. Seeing the defense improve is what we have been waiting for…seeing the growth of Davis, the improve play of Collins since his reassignment is kinda what diehards do here.

Yes you are what your record says you are, but seeing better play is welcoming[/QUOTE]


My “narrative” was about a post made in the gameday thread which was tongue in cheek. Relax.

But if you wanna consider yourself an astute fan and a diehard and a studied WP talking head than when we play shitty football against the Giants and win on a lucky second chance fg - I dont want to hear a win is a win. If a win is a win, than a loss is a loss. Ya cant have it both ways. If you can find victory in defeat than I can find defeat in victory.

Yes I can find solace in the fact that we didn’t get beat the fuck down, but we beat ourselves when the other team doesn’t. Have seen it for years and years. I pointed out the 2010 team the other day that was 6-10 but in alot of games. It is 11 years later and we haven’t managed to win those games still. That is a major fuckin problem.

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Sounds like Ron is handing out participation trophies now with this talk of "fight" and "growth". I know it's just coach talk but can anyone really stomach this shit right now?

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[quote=MTK;1297373]Sounds like Ron is handing out participation trophies now with this talk of "fight" and "growth". I know it's just coach talk but can anyone really stomach this shit right now?[/quote]

I really hate to say it because I bought in on the credibility factor - but Ron's credibility is really wearing thin now. We're a long ways from respectability right now and it reflects terribly on him.

Not to mention all the off-the-field shenanigans have persisted and this organization is still the laughingstock of the NFL - which hurts worse now that other long-time losers like the Bills/Bengals/Browns are playing quality football.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1297373]Sounds like Ron is handing out participation trophies now with this talk of "fight" and "growth". I know it's just coach talk but can anyone really stomach this shit right now?[/QUOTE]


Seems like alot of us are doing the same. Lol.

All i wanna hear from Ron is we are making too many mistakes and thats on me. Period. The end.

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[quote=MTK;1297373]Sounds like Ron is handing out participation trophies now with this talk of "fight" and "growth". I know it's just coach talk but can anyone really stomach this shit right now?[/quote]

Sadly, this is reminding me of Gibbs' "they play their guts out" statements.

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Despite the criticism of Heineke for his errors in the Redszone - he was the one moving the offense. Hope the Redskins don't repeat the Trent Green error when it comes to deciding what to do with him following this season.

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Just keep having "good" losses. I am so beaten down that I just want some hope that we can draft a QB. That is all I care about at this point. Draft a QB, actually draft two, one early and one in the mid rounds.

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You can move the offense all day but the only thing that matters is coming away with points, 23 points in the last 2 weeks is downright pathetic. I like TH as a backup but that's it.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1297378]Despite the criticism of Heineke for his errors in the Redszone - he was the one moving the offense. Hope the Redskins don't repeat the Trent Green error when it comes to deciding what to do with him following this season.[/QUOTE]


Gonna go against my instincts here. TH is not accurate. At all. Maybe GB’s defense just didn’t show up yesterday- i know they have some major injuries on that side of the ball. But regardless of TH and the other 10 guys moving the ball he was still missing alot of reads and easy throws. He isn’t the guy going forward. Even I will say that now.
That slide was and still is unbelievably awful. Just walk in. Omg. And than to blame the refs after the game is mind numbing. Shouldn’t have come to that “call”. The call should have been a walk in touchdown. He looked like a scared child diving there and honestly dive INTO the endzone dude. Uggh.

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[quote=punch it in;1297372]My “narrative” was about a post made in the gameday thread which was tongue in cheek. Relax.

But if you wanna consider yourself an astute fan and a diehard and a studied WP talking head than when we play shitty football against the Giants and win on a lucky second chance fg - I dont want to hear a win is a win. If a win is a win, than a loss is a loss. Ya cant have it both ways. If you can find victory in defeat than I can find defeat in victory.

Yes I can find solace in the fact that we didn’t get beat the fuck down, but we beat ourselves when the other team doesn’t. Have seen it for years and years. I pointed out the 2010 team the other day that was 6-10 but in alot of games. It is 11 years later and we haven’t managed to win those games still. That is a major fuckin problem.[/quote]

We knew going into the year everything begins with the defense and it was a god awful shit show. So seeing that start to turn a bit around is a positive cause in order to get back to winning it starts there.

I don’t think anybody is satisfied with the team yesterday, plenty of mistakes to point out which cost us the game. But the team today was better than the team several weeks ago.

It’s really hard to win without a starting QB

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[quote=MTK;1297381]You can move the offense all day but the only thing that matters is coming away with points, 23 points in the last 2 weeks is downright pathetic. I like TH as a backup but that's it.[/quote]

Our points off turnover has got to be one of the lowest.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1297383]We knew going into the year everything begins with the defense and it was a god awful shit show. So seeing that start to turn a bit around is a positive cause in order to get back to winning it starts there.

I don’t think anybody is satisfied with the team yesterday, plenty of mistakes to point out which cost us the game. But the team today was better than the team several weeks ago.

It’s really hard to win without a starting QB[/QUOTE]


Yes the defense wasn’t terrible yesterday, and maybe they turned a corner. We will see. Hope they did. Hope Fitz comes back. Hope we win alot of games going forward and maybe sneak in with a wildcard. But up until yesterday and including yesterday can suck two bags of dicks.

And if we lose to Denver this TEAM has taken zero steps forward this year.
I have an awful feeling we are going to make Bridgewater look like an MVP candidate.

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The last 2 weeks the offense has become the problem and the D has been mostly "good enough".

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[quote=punch it in;1297372]My “narrative” was about a post made in the gameday thread which was tongue in cheek. Relax.

But if you wanna consider yourself an astute fan and a diehard and a studied WP talking head than when we play shitty football against the Giants and win on a lucky second chance fg - I dont want to hear a win is a win. [B]If a win is a win, than a loss is a loss[/B]. Ya cant have it both ways. [B]If you can find victory in defeat than I can find defeat in victory.[/B]

Yes I can find solace in the fact that we didn’t get beat the fuck down, but we beat ourselves when the other team doesn’t. Have seen it for years and years. I pointed out the 2010 team the other day that was 6-10 but in alot of games. It is 11 years later and we haven’t managed to win those games still. That is a major fuckin problem.[/quote]

I actually agree with both bolded statements.
This loss is a loss. And the season looks like it's probably over.

But, if we wanna observe the level of play of this team, just as I was among those saying the win against the Giants was iffy and our D was playing awful, I think it's fair to say the D finally showed some clear signs of improvement in this loss at GB.

Doesn't mean it changes my feelings about where the season is most likely going, but it is what I saw and felt during the game.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1297388]I actually agree with both bolded statements.
This loss is a loss. And the season looks like it's probably over.

But, if we wanna observe the level of play of this team, just as I was among those saying the win against the Giants was iffy and our D was playing awful, I think it's fair to say the D finally showed some clear signs of improvement in this loss at GB.

Doesn't mean it changes my feelings about where the season is most likely going, but it is what I saw and felt during the game.[/QUOTE]


That’s the thing. In that Giants “win” we thought oh shit we aren’t that good. Yesterday in that “loss” i never felt oh man we are good now.

But yes the defense was better yesterday. Maybe a fluke. Maybe not. We will see. If moving Collins helped the secondary and the lb corp than awesome. And maybe, just maybe Fitz will come back and we will actually field a pretty complete team. Im not exactly holding my breath though.

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[quote=punch it in;1297389]That’s the thing. In that Giants “win” we thought oh shit we aren’t that good. [B]Yesterday in that “loss” i never felt oh man we are good now. [/B]

But yes the defense was better yesterday. Maybe a fluke. Maybe not. We will see. If moving Collins helped the secondary and the lb corp than awesome. And maybe, just maybe Fitz will come back and we will actually field a pretty complete team. Im not exactly holding my breath though.[/quote]

Oh I definitely didn't feel we were "good" either. Just some signs of improvement from that burning pile of crap we were up until now.

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[quote=MTK;1297387]The last 2 weeks the offense has become the problem and the D has been mostly "good enough".[/quote]

IMO the offense has been pretty bad almost all season, it is just that the criticism of the defense has overshadowed.

- We all know how terrible our QB play has been all season.
- Gibson is officially having a fumbling problem.
- Samuel being out is an issue, we do not have a true #2 WR
- Our redzone offense is now a problem
- We have squandered opportunities after turnovers

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[quote=Chico23231;1297383]We knew going into the year everything begins with the defense and it was a god awful shit show. So seeing that start to turn a bit around is a positive cause in order to get back to winning it starts there.

I don’t think anybody is satisfied with the team yesterday, plenty of mistakes to point out which cost us the game. But the team today was better than the team several weeks ago.

It’s really hard to win without a starting QB[/quote]

So it was our QB that is the reason we lost 5 games?

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[quote=nonniey;1297395]So it was our QB that is the reason we lost 5 games?[/quote]

The only reason? No.

One of many reasons? Definitely.

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[quote=Chico23231;1297369]Bro pointing out improvements in gameplay isnt a “narrative”…yes a loss is a loss. But astute fans of the Warpath brand know football and we can discern dumpfire from good football. Seeing the defense improve is what we have been waiting for…seeing the growth of Davis, [B]the improve play of Collins since his reassignment[/B] is kinda what diehards do here.

Yes you are what your record says you are, but seeing better play is welcoming[/quote]

I'd actually like to tone this particular point down a little bit. Yes this week he wasn't exposed on egregious blown coverage or ugly missed tackle, but he still made some very bad plays IMO, here are 2 of them:

[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/PBNLnqBNzTYuIeHWxD/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1297387]The last 2 weeks the offense has become the problem and the D has been mostly "good enough".[/quote]

You mean the last 1 week right? Last week the D was ok in the 1st half and then as bad as they had been all year in the 2d half. Yesterday was the only game the defense has been ok -not great - but ok.

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I think we can all agree there is work to be done on both sides of the ball. No reason to try n figure out who is responsible for losing. Lol. It is the offense. It is the defense. It is the staff. We have yet to play a complete game on both sides of the ball.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1297397]I'd actually like to tone this particular point down a little bit. Yes this week he wasn't exposed on egregious blown coverage or ugly missed tackle, but he still made some very bad plays IMO, here are 2 of them:

[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/PBNLnqBNzTYuIeHWxD/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

He awful in space. He is back on his feet and not moving toward the player in his zone. He is slow to process

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I wonder if he's lacking confidence in a) himself, b) his body (injury already mentioned) or c) both? Seems hesitant more than anything, though yes he could be just slow.

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Just cause Ron put Collins near the line and blitzed him doesn't cover up his weaknesses. He still will have to cover at some point and that is a lost cause. It's free money and an easy read for the QB when he has to cover. It's like Ron is trying to patch up a leaky faucet. Just cut your losses and release him. The tape doesn't lie. Collins is not good at football. If Collins wasn't making the money he is he'd be long gone.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1297403]I wonder if he's lacking confidence in a) himself, b) his body (injury already mentioned) or c) both? Seems hesitant more than anything, though yes he could be just slow.[/quote]

He was slow before he got hurt.

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[quote=MTK;1297381]You can move the offense all day but the only thing that matters is coming away with points, 23 points in the last 2 weeks is downright pathetic. I like TH as a backup but that's it.[/quote]

I don't even want him as a backup. I want all my QB's to be able to push the ball down the field. He is too easy to defend.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1297404]Just cause Ron put Collins near the line and blitzed him doesn't cover up his weaknesses. He still will have to cover at some point and that is a lost cause. It's free money and an easy read for the QB when he has to cover. It's like Ron is trying to patch up a leaky faucet. Just cut your losses and release him. The tape doesn't lie. Collins is not good at football. If Collins wasn't making the money he is he'd be long gone.[/quote]

Another Bruce Allen gift to us…

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The thing is the defense is obviously where we were supposed to be strong. Not the offense. The d had expectations. They are almost the worst in the league. Even more disturbing is they are an absolute train wreck shit show on 3rd down. That is truly the sign of a bad defense- when you can not get off the field on 3rd down. If they play a so so game that is like a moral victory. SMH.

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[quote=Chico23231;1297407]Another Bruce Allen gift to us…[/quote]

But Ron has no loyalty to him so just move on. He had no problem cutting Haskins. It is so obvious to the eye that the other guys are better- meaning they can at least tackle, are better athletes and aren't as slow. I don't get it.

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I’d say one thing, Jon Allen is having a All-Pro year

Jamin Davis is improving

This front four is not the problem, Holcomb and Davis don’t seem to be the problem either.

Curl is a keeper, St Juice looks to have a future. Danny Johnson wasn’t bad yesterday

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[quote=skinsfan69;1297409]But Ron has no loyalty to him so just move on. He had no problem cutting Haskins. It is so obvious to the eye that the other guys are better- meaning they can at least tackle, are better athletes and aren't as slow. I don't get it.[/quote]

It’s not gonna happen this season but it better happen this off-season

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At 2-5, looking at the Conference, there is no way we contend for a WC and the season is done for me in terms of trying to win.

I hope we lose out and dont tack on some meaningless wins during the last 5 games of the season vs NFCE teams.

Lets continue playing Jamin Davis, get Bates and Reyes in at TE, rotate some of the depth young guys on DL more, run some scripted plays for Dyami Brown and Mline.

Work on secondary communication. Havent seen those huge holes in coverage btw LBs playing zone and corner/safeties to far back like we did first 6 games or so.

Heinike - doesnt seem to be improving. Feels like we stopped calling and asking him to make certain throws and now we run a neutured playbook.

Blewitt showed he has a strong leg, just not the instant incline of the ball like Hopkins perhaps.

Lose out. Only positive long term positive move we can make. Otherwise we will have the same team next year but with a Case Keenum or some other "non answer" Qb bandaid.

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[quote=punch it in;1297400]I think we can all agree there is work to be done on both sides of the ball. No reason to try n figure out who is responsible for losing. Lol. It is the offense. It is the defense. It is the staff. We have yet to play a complete game on both sides of the ball.[/quote]

Definitely been a team wide losing effort, including special teams.

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2-15 is the way to go.

Never really been about the tank life. But I'm driving that tank right thru 2021 and blasting possible victories to smithereens.

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We were 2-5 at this point last year and all seemed lost. Not that I think we're going to see another repeat of last year. Just saying.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1297414]At 2-5, looking at the Conference, there is no way we contend for a WC and the season is done for me in terms of trying to win.

I hope we lose out and dont tack on some meaningless wins during the last 5 games of the season vs NFCE teams.

Lets continue playing Jamin Davis, get Bates and Reyes in at TE, rotate some of the depth young guys on DL more, run some scripted plays for Dyami Brown and Mline.

Work on secondary communication. Havent seen those huge holes in coverage btw LBs playing zone and corner/safeties to far back like we did first 6 games or so.

Heinike - doesnt seem to be improving. Feels like we stopped calling and asking him to make certain throws and now we run a neutured playbook.

Blewitt showed he has a strong leg, just not the instant incline of the ball like Hopkins perhaps.

Lose out. Only positive long term positive move we can make. Otherwise we will have the same team next year but with a Case Keenum or some other "non answer" Qb bandaid.[/QUOTE]


There are certain young guys that should be playing. Not a whole lot you can accomplish as far as communication and cohesion with units because it won’t be the same unit next year. Hell it may not even be the same staff. There are probably no quarterbacks going in the top 10 next year so I don’t care if we lose out. We will be in position to take a quarterback regardless. I definitely would like to see all the young guys get major playing time. I would rather finish with 6-7 wins and not be a total laughing stock based on the quarterback class. We are not winning the division and do not have to worry about a first place schedule but lets not finish 3-14. That is just gross. Lol. Here we are in October talking about next year. [emoji1750] This fuckin team man. One step forward two steps back. That should be our new name. The Washington One step forward two steps backs.