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[quote=punch it in;1310821]Seriously how many years are we going to ignore the most important position on the team?[/quote]

Wouldn't say it's been ignored exactly, we've drafted RG3, Cousins, Haskins, and they pursued Stafford last year... just have to keep swinging until something hits.

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One good thing is Ron wanted Joe Burrow (JP Finlay) and they wanted Stafford

Both just played in the SB.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1310827]Wouldn't say it's been ignored exactly, we've drafted RG3, Cousins, Haskins, and they pursued Stafford last year... just have to keep swinging until something hits.[/QUOTE]


Ignored was a bad choice of words. Last year they tried. You are right. Plenty of years though we roll with bologna. And DS calling the shots when it comes to quarterback has been disastrous. The Cousins debacle was disastrous too.

Now that Ron is in charge of such decisions Im expecting better.

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[quote=punch it in;1310831]Ignored was a bad choice of words. Last year they tried. You are right. Plenty of years though we roll with bologna. And DS calling the shots when it comes to quarterback has been disastrous. The Cousins debacle was disastrous too.

Now [COLOR="Red"][COLOR="red"][B][SIZE="5"]IF[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR][/COLOR] Ron is in charge of such decisions Im expecting better.[/quote]

Fixed it for you. I feel sorry for anyone who thinks Dan Snyder is done with picking the QB himself. He will never change.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1310834]Fixed it for you. I feel sorry for anyone who thinks Dan Snyder is done with picking the QB himself. He will never change.[/QUOTE]


There is zero chance he would over rule RR and this group when it comes to who plays quarterback.

Don’t get me wrong, he will never change. He will always be a squirmy douche, but even he knows better than to play that game again.

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[quote=punch it in;1310835]There is zero chance he would over rule RR and this group when it comes to who plays quarterback.

Don’t get me wrong, he will never change. He will always be a squirmy douche, but even he knows better than to play that game again.[/quote]


I think we thought that with other coaches, too...


::Mike Shanahan enters the chat::


I know I'm probably wrong about that, but still. I'm pretty sure all along the way we all had the "he's changed, and his meddling ways are over" attitude almost every time a new coach or gm has come here.
I hope it's different with rr....but it really is very much like the cycle of abuse.

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[quote=punch it in;1310835]There is zero chance he would over rule RR and this group when it comes to who plays quarterback.

Don’t get me wrong, he will never change. He will always be a squirmy douche, but even he knows better than to play that game again.[/quote]

Snyder did that on day one with the Haskins ordeal.
RR knew DH was not prepared to play but had to roll with him to hopefully validates Snyder pick.

There’s zero chance Snyder isn’t picking his qb this draft.

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[quote=jamf;1310846]Snyder did that on day one with the Haskins ordeal.
RR knew DH was not prepared to play but had to roll with him to hopefully validates Snyder pick.

There’s zero chance Snyder isn’t picking his qb this draft.[/quote]

I think this is different ,RR and the new management team of the Commanders won't put up with that. Whatever the call on a QB is it's RR call.

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From 2014-2021 the #49ers posted a 49-80 record.

They were 31-14 with Jimmy Garoppolo as the starting quarterback.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310905]From 2014-2021 the #49ers posted a 49-80 record.

They were 31-14 with Jimmy Garoppolo as the starting quarterback.[/quote]

This argument is very reminiscent of the Alex Smith arguments, even though they are very different QBs. The stats are ok, but the record is better than you think it would be, however we all see what we see when watching them...and it's unimpressive with both. I would say the record is due more to coaching staffs in place than the QBs in both of these cases...they were able to scheme around the QBs weaknesses and strengths and win games, but when it comes to the playoffs and a super bowl...you need your QB to shine and neither of those can/could do that.

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This past season:

TOP TARGETS IN KEY SITUATIONS

3RD DOWN = Terry (28 targets)
UNDER PRESSURE = Terry (35 targets)
VS DESIGNED BLITZES = Terry (41 Targets)
IN RED ZONE = Seals Jones (12)

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[quote=Redskins247;1310909]This argument is very reminiscent of the Alex Smith arguments, even though they are very different QBs. The stats are ok, but the record is better than you think it would be, however we all see what we see when watching them...and it's unimpressive with both. I would say the record is due more to coaching staffs in place than the QBs in both of these cases...they were able to scheme around the QBs weaknesses and strengths and win games, but when it comes to the playoffs and a super bowl...you need your QB to shine and neither of those can/could do that.[/quote]

Agreed, BUT... If it meant consistently 10-11 regular season wins I'd easily take Jimmy G. I'd then look at an upgrade in'23 or '24 to take us to the next level. Right now a QB that gives us multiple winning seasons and a chance at the playoffs every year would be a major upgrade here.

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[quote=Redskins247;1310909]This argument is very reminiscent of the Alex Smith arguments, even though they are very different QBs. The stats are ok, but the record is better than you think it would be, however we all see what we see when watching them...and it's unimpressive with both. I would say the record is due more to coaching staffs in place than the QBs in both of these cases...they were able to scheme around the QBs weaknesses and strengths and win games, but when it comes to the playoffs and a super bowl...you need your QB to shine and neither of those can/could do that.[/quote]

Jimmy G is just a winner, and by all accounts he's a great leader in the locker room, and his teammates / coaches love him and what he brings to the table. There's a reason BB drafted him and didn't really want to let him go.

He [I]has[/I] had the benefit of good defenses and coaching, but show me a QB that has had great success, or made it to the Super Bowl (or close to it) on his own. That's just not the way this game goes.

His injury history is what gives me pause. In four years as a starter he's missed 25 out of 71 games.

There will be a market for his services though - Broncos, Steelers, Panthers, Lions, Saints, are just some of the teams that could be looking for a change at QB this offseason. I'd be willing to part with this year's 2nd and a day two pick in 2023 for him, but I'm afraid that won't get it done given the competition.

Desperate teams do desperate things, but I hope they don't consider parting with the 11th pick for him.

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Jimmy g has a big cap hit for team trading for him and want a new contract. I don't think there will be as much competition as everyone thinks for him.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1310931]Jimmy G is just a winner, and by all accounts he's a great leader in the locker room, and his teammates / coaches love him and what he brings to the table. There's a reason BB drafted him and didn't really want to let him go.

He [I]has[/I] had the benefit of good defenses and coaching, but show me a QB that has had great success, or made it to the Super Bowl (or close to it) on his own. That's just not the way this game goes.

His injury history is what gives me pause. In four years as a starter he's missed 25 out of 71 games.

There will be a market for his services though - Broncos, Steelers, Panthers, Lions, Saints, are just some of the teams that could be looking for a change at QB this offseason. I'd be willing to part with this year's 2nd and a day two pick in 2023 for him, but I'm afraid that won't get it done given the competition.

Desperate teams do desperate things, but I hope they don't consider parting with the 11th pick for him.[/QUOTE]


Jimmy G is a winner? Nah. He has basically played two seasons. Both with monster D’s, weapons abounding, and great coaching. You put Jimmy G on a mediocre team, or make him the focal point and he is far from a winner.

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[quote=punch it in;1310948]Jimmy G is a winner? Nah. He has basically played two seasons. Both with monster D’s, weapons abounding, and great coaching. You put Jimmy G on a mediocre team, or make him the focal point and he is far from a winner.[/quote]

I disagree. He's a winner. He has just been unavailable or playing with injuries too often.

I definitely wouldn't consider the 49ers 2019 and 2021 defenses (the last two years they went deep into the playoffs with Jimmy G) "Monster D's". They were good - maybe top 10, but far from Monster.

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You can certainly do a lot worse than Jimmy G. If a guy like Darnold had multiple teams interested last year you can bet just as many and probably more teams will be sniffing around Jimmy G.

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Kyler Murray anyone?

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/22/betting-odds-shift-amid-talk-that-kyler-murray-could-leave-the-cardinals/"]Betting odds shift amid talk that Kyler Murray could leave the Cardinals[/URL]

The maturity issues are a big red flag, but still something to think about if he was really available

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310905]From 2014-2021 the #49ers posted a 49-80 record.

They were 31-14 with Jimmy Garoppolo as the starting quarterback.[/quote]

Matt Stafford should be exhibit #1 about looking at a QB's W/L record in determining just how good (or bad) he really is.

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[quote=MTK;1310968]Kyler Murray anyone?

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/22/betting-odds-shift-amid-talk-that-kyler-murray-could-leave-the-cardinals/"]Betting odds shift amid talk that Kyler Murray could leave the Cardinals[/URL]

The maturity issues are a big red flag, but still something to think about if he was really available[/quote]

He seems to be a bit of a baby but maybe Ron can fix that

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[quote=MTK;1310968]Kyler Murray anyone?

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/22/betting-odds-shift-amid-talk-that-kyler-murray-could-leave-the-cardinals/"]Betting odds shift amid talk that Kyler Murray could leave the Cardinals[/URL]

The maturity issues are a big red flag, but still something to think about if he was really available[/quote]

He is definitely a talent...but definitely has some issues that may not can be overcome. But he'd make things interesting for sure.

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[quote=Redskins247;1310996]He is definitely a talent...but definitely has some issues that may not can be overcome. But he'd make things interesting for sure.[/quote]

If nothing else putting him on the market and giving him away to a top bidder would mean one less roster spot that needs to be filled - which helps us. The supply would still be less than demand but every bit helps.

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[quote=Redskins 2021;1310932]Jimmy g has a big cap hit for team trading for him and want a new contract. I don't think there will be as much competition as everyone thinks for him.[/quote]

Agreed.

If Jimmy was a FA, id offer something like 4 yrs/90M/40M guaranteed .. but have to trade a possible 1st or a 2nd plus more ... then have to give him a big contract? No thank you.

Jimmy is definitely better then the Trubisky/Winston tier but not worth trading resources and cap space.

My preference ... (1) trade for Russell Wilson or (2) draft a Qb at 11 this year, draft a QB with first pick next year and keep doing this until one of them checks the franchise QB box.

Trading for Jimmy or signing Wentz or Trubisky is just guaranteeing a below .500 season and another year or 2 of not properly addressing the Qb situation.

Give me Wilson or give me Heinike (and we draft a QB round 1 every year).

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[quote=SunnySide;1311002]Agreed.

If Jimmy was a FA, id offer something like 4 yrs/90M/40M guaranteed .. but have to trade a possible 1st or a 2nd plus more ... then have to give him a big contract? No thank you.

Jimmy is definitely better then the Trubisky/Winston tier but not worth trading resources and cap space.

My preference ... (1) trade for Russell Wilson or (2) draft a Qb at 11 this year, draft a QB with first pick next year and keep doing this until one of them checks the franchise QB box.

Trading for Jimmy or signing Wentz or Trubisky is just guaranteeing a below .500 season and another year or 2 of not properly addressing the Qb situation.

[B]Give me Wilson or give me Heinike[/B] (and we draft a QB round 1 every year).[/quote]

Dude I totally want you as my wingman at the bar. Might as well say give me Kate Upton or give me Rachel Dratch

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Willis is gonna be a star .. take him at 11 problem solved !

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I am conflicted in the direction that I want the team to go. On one hand, I want us to go all-in for Wilson. But, on the other hand, I think sacrificing what it would take to get him, I question whether it is worth it?

For me, I think we need to continue to put together the best team. The cost in draft picks and salary for Russell is too much. I know could get crushed for that.

I would sign Mariota plus draft Willis. If you pick Malik Willis, the bridge qb should be a similar type of player, that way when Willis takes over the offense, it's not too much of a change for the other players on the field. Using the money saved from going this route at qb, I would sign Allen Robinson or Mike Williams, and a quality guard.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1311033]I am conflicted in the direction that I want the team to go. On one hand, I want us to go all-in for Wilson. But, on the other hand, I think sacrificing what it would take to get him, I question whether it is worth it?

For me, I think we need to continue to put together the best team. The cost in draft picks and salary for Russell is too much. I know could get crushed for that.

I would sign Mariota plus draft Willis. If you pick Malik Willis, the bridge qb should be a similar type of player, that way when Willis takes over the offense, it's not too much of a change for the other players on the field. Using the money saved from going this route at qb, I would sign Allen Robinson or Mike Williams, and a quality guard.[/quote]

Definitely not an easy choice. If the cost was about the expected cost, I would go for Wilson. But I could see the arguments against it too. Especially since we have bad luck on big moves. I know past luck shouldn't make you not make future moves, but it's still hard to overcome.

I just hope we do something legit at the QB position. My preference is sign a vet, and draft the best QB available at No. 11.

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I think we should draft Pickett or Corall....both are potentially better than Taylor Heinicke. All the front office needs to do is put talent around a rookie qb.....I'm all for keeping all of our picks. Forget Wilson and Watson. The only guy I would trade for is Justin Love.....offering GB a 2nd.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1311040]I think we should draft Pickett or Corall....both are potentially better than Taylor Heinicke. All the front office needs to do is put talent around a rookie qb.....I'm all for keeping all of our picks. Forget Wilson and Watson. The only guy I would trade for is [B]Justin Love[/B].....offering GB a 2nd.[/quote]

Shhhhhh.... man that is the best kept secret in the NFL! We could get JUSTIN with a super low pick but we all got keep JUSTIN on the DL or every other team is going jump on the JUSTIN band wagon.

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For those curious about Carson Wentz, this seems like a very succinct summary of his situation


JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
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2h
I keep circling back to this on Carson Wentz - Indy just gave up 2 firsts to get him, will have to eat money to release him and there’s no clear upgrade in sight for Colts. How many red flags is that?

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That’s IT !!!! The Washington Redflags!! 😳😀😀😀

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1311033]I would sign Mariota plus draft Willis. If you pick Malik Willis, the bridge qb should be a similar type of player, that way when Willis takes over the offense, it's not too much of a change for the other players on the field. Using the money saved from going this route at qb, I would sign Allen Robinson or Mike Williams, and a quality guard.[/quote]

You could have been reading my mind when you posted this. I think this is an excellent solution that fits what we want to do on offense now and in the future. Willis has time to develop with this scenario and we can upgrade our receiving corps and OL right away.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1311047]For those curious about Carson Wentz, this seems like a very succinct summary of his situation


JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
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2h
I keep circling back to this on Carson Wentz - Indy just gave up 2 firsts to get him, will have to eat money to release him and there’s no clear upgrade in sight for Colts. How many red flags is that?[/quote]

Here's another red flag: Even Frank Reich couldn't help him to improve his game. Look, let's not toy with the idea of signing Wentz. Wentz is D.O.N.E. as an NFL QB. He is absolutely terrible and there is no magic wand that can revive his NFL career. Did anybody on this site even watch his miserable failures last season?

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Yeah I don't want Wentz, if it's him or Winston I'd take Winston..

Wentz is always hurt

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1311004]Dude I totally want you as my wingman at the bar. Might as well say give me Kate Upton or give me Rachel Dratch[/quote]

Comment of the day!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1311068]Here's another red flag: Even Frank Reich couldn't help him to improve his game. Look, let's not toy with the idea of signing Wentz. Wentz is D.O.N.E. as an NFL QB. He is absolutely terrible and there is no magic wand that can revive his NFL career. Did anybody on this site even watch his miserable failures last season?[/quote]

I don't want him, but saying Wentz is terrible is out there. 94.6 passer rating, 27:7 INT-TD ratio isn't terrible. Yes he kind of went to pieces towards the end of the season and hasn't ever lived up to his potential (maybe never will). But he's not even in the bottom 10 so calling him terrible is silly.

Right now if you said to me you only had 3 choices at QB, say Wentz, Trubiskey or Mariota, I'd have to go with Wentz. I'm not saying that's a realistic scenario, but Wentz is not the worst option out there.

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I agree with Anon, Wentz can play but he finds a way to get lit up every week.
You can't count on this guy to play every game.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1310950]I disagree. He's a winner. He has just been unavailable or playing with injuries too often.

I definitely wouldn't consider the 49ers 2019 and 2021 defenses (the last two years they went deep into the playoffs with Jimmy G) "Monster D's". They were good - maybe top 10, but far from Monster.[/QUOTE]


I hope this conversation doesn’t continue with him wearing the B & G. Lol.

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So many red flags with Wentz... I'd only look at him as a last resort

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1311074]I don't want him, but saying Wentz is terrible is out there. 94.6 passer rating, 27:7 INT-TD ratio isn't terrible. [B]Yes he kind of went to pieces towards the end of the season [/B]and hasn't ever lived up to his potential (maybe never will). But he's not even in the bottom 10 so calling him terrible is silly.

Right now if you said to me you only had 3 choices at QB, say Wentz, Trubiskey or Mariota, I'd have to go with Wentz. I'm not saying that's a realistic scenario, but Wentz is not the worst option out there.[/quote]

Read your own highlighted words. He is a choker. That's why he is terrible. To hell with the stats. A QB needs to find ways to [B]win games[/B] for his team.

Mariota is the only one of the three you mentioned that I would consider.