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Wasn't Wentz injured last year?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312223]He’s better than Taylor folks. Only Winston imo was a better choice but he’s also coming off a big injury… our choices were slim after Wilson[/quote]

Is he?? IDK about that. Yeah he has a better arm but that is about it.

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He was 27 td’s 7 int’s last year. Not alot of yards, but the colts were clearly a run first team.

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Cap hit

28M 2022 (6.2 bonus)

26M 2023 (6.1 bonus .. 12.2 dead cap if cut)

27M 2024 (6.1 bonus ... 6.1 dead cap)

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-commanders/cap/2023/[/url]

Wouldnt be surprised if the colts eat some of the 2022 bonus money

I feel like we overpaid as the colts are just happy to get rid of his dead money owed if they cut him

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1312226]Wasn't Wentz injured last year?[/QUOTE]


Played all 17 games.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312207]So we're getting Wentz and their 2nd rounder as well?[/quote]

They get our 2nd rounder too. So essentially we move down in the 2nd round.

Barf move.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312219]We got him for cheap. It’s not a bad deal at all.

They won’t draft a QB at 11 now though. I don’t see why they would


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No it's not a bad deal. It's a TERRIBLE deal.

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[quote=jamf;1312220]Frank Reich giving up on Wentz is a bad sign.
The rumors of him being a headcase are probably true.[/quote]

I think it's their GM Chris Ballard that gave up him moreso than Reich, Reich has been pretty supportive of him at least publicly.

Reich said this at the combine

“I believe in him,” Reich said last week during the NFL combine. “I stuck my neck out for him. I stuck my neck out for him last year. I was a big part of that decision to get him here, and so I believe he’s going to continue to have a lot of success at quarterback -- that might be here, it might not be here. That decision has yet to be determined, but I still believe in the person, and I still believe in the player.”

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312215]I don't like this move, but you can get rid of him next year if things don't work out or the team hits on a rookie. I don't think you can do that with Trubisky, Jameis, or Mariota.

Now, they have their #11 pick and see if a QB falls to them, pick BPA, or trade down/acquire picks for 2023.[/quote]

I hope they still pick a QB but with that type money they might skip out on drafting a QB and fill out the rest of the roster.

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140 Tds 57 Ints in his career
90 QBR


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312231]They get our 2nd rounder too. So essentially we move down in the 2nd round.

Barf move.[/quote]

this why you don't go around publicly telling everyone you need a QB. You have no negation power.

There is always one more screw you in all our trades, like the 2nd rounder in the RG3 trade.

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I'm surprise to be finding stuff like this:

@CommandersNFL_
Carson Wentz dropped 28 total touchdowns last year on two bad ankles, in a run-heavy offense, while throwing to mostly trash. I don’t care what the Colts do. All they do is trade picks and never win.

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[quote=mredskins;1312236]this why you don't go around publicly telling everyone you need a QB. You have no negation power.

There is always one more screw you in all our trades, like the 2nd rounder in the RG3 trade.[/quote]

Now we have no 3rd or 5th round pick.

I don't see us drafting a QB this year now.

I hate this move.

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[quote=MTK;1312233]I think it's their GM Chris Ballard that gave up him moreso than Reich, Reich has been pretty supportive of him at least publicly.

Reich said this at the combine

“I believe in him,” Reich said last week during the NFL combine. “I stuck my neck out for him. I stuck my neck out for him last year. I was a big part of that decision to get him here, and so I believe he’s going to continue to have a lot of success at quarterback -- that might be here, it might not be here. That decision has yet to be determined, but I still believe in the person, and I still believe in the player.”[/quote]

If Reich really wanted him he'd probably be there. Also the Eagles totally gave up on him too. They choose Hurts over him...lol. What does that say?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312238]Now we have no 3rd or 5th round pick.

I don't see us drafting a QB this year now.

I hate this move.[/quote]

I don't think this is terrible. This lets you wait until the draft and see if a QB is available at #11, you can trade down (my ideal situation), or take BPA.

I'd rather watch Wentz than Heinecke.

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[quote=MTK;1312211]No doubt talent wise he's a big upgrade over Heinicke. If he gets his head on straight he could be dangerous. Big if though.[/quote]

Exactly. He the best of what WC could reasonably expect to get. WC has to make due with stop gap QBs like Wentz until they hit on a draft pick. No top flight free agent QBs are coming to a garbage dump of an organization like Washington.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312221]I hate it cause they just gave up two 3rd round picks for a injury prone BUM that was going to get cut. Could be a 2nd rounder if this BUM plays 70% of the snaps.

This is PISS POOR GM work at it's finest. This is why you hire a legit GM who knows the value of players. Wentz has ZERO value and you just gave them two high draft picks.[/quote]

We have a legit GM in Martin Mayhew. We have a solid completely filled out front office for the first time in forever.

click on our org chart below ... weve never had that.

[url]https://www.commanders.com/team/front-office-roster/[/url]

Im not stoked for Wentz either ... but its 2 3rds and we can get out after this year for 12M dead cap.

Aside from drafting Jamin Davis (who its too early to call definitively) .. Ive liked the moves weve made for the most part.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312239]If Reich really wanted him he'd probably be there. Also the Eagles totally gave up on him too. They choose Hurts over him...lol. What does that say?[/quote]

Eagles gave up on Wentz and they want to give up on Hurts. I mean they stole a 1st rounder from the Colts, but I don't think they had consensus on their QB (see Pederson getting fired).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312237]I'm surprise to be finding stuff like this:

@CommandersNFL_
Carson Wentz dropped 28 total touchdowns last year on two bad ankles, in a run-heavy offense, while throwing to mostly trash. I don’t care what the Colts do. All they do is trade picks and never win.[/quote]

Michael Pittman = stud.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312192]Interesting take from JP:

@JPFinlayNBCS
Wentz threw for 3500 yards on 63 percent passing last year, 27 TDs vs just 7 INTs. Stats look good. But my biggest concern is Indy just traded for him, and now they trade him without a clear upgrade. Something doesnt add up[/quote]

Throw in the cost too. They were a quarter away from making the playoffs with him and it only took two third round picks?

Not excited by the move. Obviously a talent upgrade. His paycheck is questionable but not extreme. IDK very indifferent overall just a basic whelmed.

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[quote=mredskins;1312236]this why you don't go around publicly telling everyone you need a QB. You have no negation power.

There is always one more screw you in all our trades, like the 2nd rounder in the RG3 trade.[/quote]

When Heinicke is your starter, everyone already knows you need a QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312243]Eagles gave up on Wentz and they want to give up on Hurts. I mean they stole a 1st rounder from the Colts, but I don't think they had consensus on their QB (see Pederson getting fired).[/quote]

Wentz sucks. There is no defending this at all. He is worth a late round pick. 5th or 6th rounder at best.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1312245]Through in the cost too. They were a quarter away from making the playoffs with him and it only took two third round picks?

Not excited by the move. Obviously a talent upgrade. His paycheck is questionable but not extreme. IDK very indifferent overall just a basic whelmed.[/quote]

Yeah, but I rather have a bridge QB I could get rid of a year from now, than committing two or three years to Winston/Mariota/Trubisky.

Also, there's going to be competition for those guys, and they will all get overpaid.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312240]I don't think this is terrible. This lets you wait until the draft and see if a QB is available at #11, you can trade down (my ideal situation), or take BPA.

I'd rather watch Wentz than Heinecke.[/quote]

I'd rather Wentz than Heinicke too. But that's low bar imo. Don't like the move. The draft will decide if I absolutely despise it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312239]If Reich really wanted him he'd probably be there. Also the Eagles totally gave up on him too. They choose Hurts over him...lol. What does that say?[/quote]

I'm well aware of the red flags. I'm not super psyched but I also don't hate the move. They had to do something to upgrade over Heinicke.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312247]Wentz sucks. There is no defending this at all. He is worth a late round pick. 5th or 6th rounder at best.[/quote]

Options are few at QB now. It's either this or paying Winston/Trubisky/Mariota guaranteed money for 2-3 years.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1312237]I'm surprise to be finding stuff like this:

@CommandersNFL_
Carson Wentz dropped 28 total touchdowns last year on two bad ankles, in a run-heavy offense, while throwing to mostly trash. I don’t care what the Colts do. All they do is trade picks and never win.[/QUOTE]


All of that is pretty legit. His WRs were no name dudes (Pittman is ok)

He will have better weapons in Washington by far.

We don’t have JT but AG is pretty fucking good


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[quote=MTK;1312246]When Heinicke is your starter, everyone already knows you need a QB.[/quote]

Understood

But front office was like we are hitting a home run at QB this year look out! Then when we fanned on Wilson and Rogers; teams like Indy know we better do something after running our mouths.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312239]If Reich really wanted him he'd probably be there. Also the Eagles totally gave up on him too. They choose Hurts over him...lol. What does that say?[/quote]

I think I heard their owner , Irsay, was not happy with him, so maybe Reich doesn't have much say about it, or at least not willing to go to the owner and defend him

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312249]I'd rather Wentz than Heinicke too. But that's low bar imo. Don't like the move. The draft will decide if I absolutely despise it.[/quote]

Same boat.

The only thing i will say about the draft is after these big qb splashes after the combine; i think alot of teams were not impressed with this years QB class.

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[quote=mredskins;1312253]Understood

But front office was like we are hitting a home run at QB this year look out! Then when we fanned on Wilson and Rogers; teams like Indy know we better do something after running our mouths.[/quote]

Who cares what the FO says. Pete Carroll said last week that they weren't trading Russ. Fans need to stop acting like 5 year olds and stop believing or hanging on every word that teams/coaches/front offices say.

I'm sure if Ron wasn't saying anything and/or praising Heinecke people would be mad too.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312248]Yeah, but I rather have a bridge QB I could get rid of a year from now, than committing two or three years to Winston/Mariota/Trubisky.

Also, there's going to be competition for those guys, and they will all get overpaid.[/quote]

That is a fair point

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312257]Who cares what the FO says. Pete Carroll said last week that they weren't trading Russ. Fans need to stop acting like 5 year olds and stop believing or hanging on every word that teams/coaches/front offices say.

I'm sure if Ron wasn't saying anything and/or praising Heinecke people would be mad too.[/quote]

i was speaking in regards to trade posturing with other teams.

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[quote=SunnySide;1312242]We have a legit GM in Martin Mayhew. We have a solid completely filled out front office for the first time in forever.

click on our org chart below ... weve never had that.

[url]https://www.commanders.com/team/front-office-roster/[/url]

Im not stoked for Wentz either ... but its 2 3rds and we can get out after this year for 12M dead cap.

Aside from drafting Jamin Davis (who its too early to call definitively) .. Ive liked the moves weve made for the most part.[/quote]

Sorry not buying it. Just like we were letting everyone know we wanted a QB, the Colts were letting everyone know what they thought of Wentz. He was getting cut. You just don't give up high draft picks for someone that is about to get cut.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312251]Options are few at QB now. It's either this or paying Winston/Trubisky/Mariota guaranteed money for 2-3 years.[/quote]

I would pay Trubisky or Mariota and keep my picks. Wentz is no better than either of them.

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[quote=mredskins;1312253]Understood

But front office was like we are hitting a home run at QB this year look out! Then when we fanned on Wilson and Rogers; teams like Indy know we better do something after running our mouths.[/quote]

WC didn't fan on Wilson & Rogers, WC was never in the batters box to begin with. For an organization as poorly regarded as WC, getting Wentz is as close to a home run as they can get.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312260]Sorry not buying it. Just like we were letting everyone know we wanted a QB, the Colts were letting everyone know what they thought of Wentz. He was getting cut. You just don't give up high draft picks for someone that is about to get cut.[/quote]

If he becomes a free agent you can't guarantee he would come here, plus you have to offer him a new contract.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312261]I would pay Trubisky or Mariota and keep my picks. Wentz is no better than either of them.[/quote]

Really, you'd give them two or three years of guaranteed money? Also compete with other teams and overpay for them?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312235]140 Tds 57 Ints in his career
90 QBR


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Means nothing. Two teams who don't have good QB options said no thanks. Two teams that see him every single day. That's way more important and really tells the real story over his stats. His stats have no substance what so ever.

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I am not in love with this move, but he is (nearly every QB would be) the best QB we've had since [I]Kurt[/I] Cousins.

He's had success. Not a great completion %, but good QBR. Doesn't throw a lot of INTs compared to TDs. He's had a couple injuries - but I think he's only missed 8 games due to injury in 6 years. That's not bad. He was benched for Jalen Hurts in 2020, but that was a B A D team, and they had to see what Jalen Hurts could do. Looked good last year, but tailed off at the end apparently.

Ok. Welp, I'm not going to cry and whine about it. At least they are trying to do something. Whether it's Wentz, Winston, Trubisky...neither blows me away, but neither one of they was going to make everyone happy. Looks to be a fair deal - I'm curious to see if he and ST can take this team to the next level.