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The Denver defense is a top 5 unit too, what a wasted year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1330593]Gotta admit something I didn’t see coming, the Russell Wilson collapse

We we interested, but as we know he chose Denver. Im so thankful we didn’t pull an Alex Smith part 2…but worse. Much bigger contract extension, higher trade cost

Could you have imagined if he came here and we had that record and output? Side note Denver has a top 10 defense too

Wow…the pissed offness would have been epic

Oh well just a thought, let’s go Henike![/quote]

NO ONE could have seen this going this badly in Denver. They're arguably the worst offense in the whole league. Apparently Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, and Wilson all had Karma to come in and collect a debt!

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Miami is 8-0 with Tua this yr

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[quote=Chico23231;1330593]Gotta admit something I didn’t see coming, the Russell Wilson collapse

We we interested, but as we know he chose Denver. Im so thankful we didn’t pull an Alex Smith part 2…but worse. Much bigger contract extension, higher trade cost

Could you have imagined if he came here and we had that record and output? Side note Denver has a top 10 defense too

Wow…the pissed offness would have been epic

Oh well just a thought, let’s go Henike![/quote]

My assumption is that Denver was his choice within the AFC. It looks like Seattle wasn't trading him to the NFC (rumor is that Philly was interested).

His choice of Denver was a head scratcher, why would you go to a loaded AFC West (see Brady, who turn and ran to the NFC South) where you are competing with established QBs with high potent offenses.

Out of all the teams shopping for a QB this offseason, I thought there were teams with better offensive weapons than Denver: Cleveland, Carolina, Washington, and I'll throw Philly as well. I also think coaching has been a problem in Denver, I mean this is the coach that opted to make a ridiculously long FG over having his pricey QB make a play and win the game.

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[quote=Redskins247;1330595]NO ONE could have seen this going this badly in Denver. They're arguably the worst offense in the whole league. Apparently Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, and Wilson all had Karma to come in and collect a debt![/quote]

At least Brady and Stafford won SBs with their new teams. The Rodgers situation is more about his team refusing to move away from him.

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Logan Paulsen made some good predictions

Jags win over Ravens (outright .. but said this would be good loss for Ravens, chance to refocus)

Mike White (jets qb) would light it up. 315 yds, 3 tds, 0 int, 149 qb rating

Logan and Craig Hoffman are really good pre game discussions and Xs and Os on the radio. I save errands/grocery store trip pre game so I get to listen to them.

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The Colts were so much better with Wentz under center. This offense is hard to watch.

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A great rundown on Russell Wilson and his issues.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35126310/can-broncos-russell-wilson-fixed-answering-10-questions-qb-future-struggles-blame-next[/url]

[quote]I will say there's one element of Wilson's game that slowed in 2021 and has continued to be off the pace in 2022: his mobility. He scrambled for nearly 28 yards per game in 2020, a figure that dropped by more than half to 11.5 yards per game in 2021. He has been effective when he has chosen to scramble this season, but he doesn't take that choice often, as he's averaging only 12.5 scramble yards per game.[/quote]

I said early on when RW lost a step, his game would drop off dramatically. Many of the QBs that make a living off their mobility usually crash and burn around that 31-33 age range. You saw McNabb was out of the league by 33( and so is Cam Newton).This isn't to say this is entirely RW's fault as he didn't have that great of pass protection in Seattle and made/extended plays with his mobility. However, it seemed he never adapted to maintaining being in the pocket over those years because it shows now that he's not running as much.


[quote]I defined quick game as passes out of the pocket delivered within 2.5 seconds of the snap. Here, Wilson has been consistently below average. Among qualifying passers, he ranked 23rd in the NFL in quick game QBR in 2020, 24th in 2021 and now is 25th in 2022. I don't think anyone expects this to become a strong suit in Wilson's game anytime soon, but it is something we often see older quarterbacks excel with as they grow more experienced and pick apart defenses before the snap.[/quote]

This is the most important quality from a QB in my opinion. The quick game. Brady has excelled at it his entire career. Nickel and Diming the defenses 5-10 yards at a time setting up the long ball later on. These kinds of QBs will last 15+ years as compared to 7-9 years from the mobile QBs. This is why I"m a firm believer in drafting a QB with a pro-style college offense or preparing to sit any other QB on the bench for 1-2 years at the very least. I still laugh at all these fucking idiots that were clamoring for us to give up the farm (yet again) for a washed up Russell Wilson. I'm glad lil Danny didn't pull the trigger.

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[quote=punch it in;1330628]The Colts were so much better with Wentz under center. This offense is hard to watch.[/quote]

I've kinda been rooting for the Colts ever since Crazy Irsay went off on Snyder. The enemy of my enemy....

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Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson having a competition for who can suck the most.

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Wilson wins that hands down -- given what the Broncos gave up for him. They'll regret it for years to come. I confess I am surprised at how dramatic the falloff has been.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1330629]A great rundown on Russell Wilson and his issues.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35126310/can-broncos-russell-wilson-fixed-answering-10-questions-qb-future-struggles-blame-next[/url]



I said early on when RW lost a step, his game would drop off dramatically. Many of the QBs that make a living off their mobility usually crash and burn around that 31-33 age range. You saw McNabb was out of the league by 33( and so is Cam Newton).This isn't to say this is entirely RW's fault as he didn't have that great of pass protection in Seattle and made/extended plays with his mobility. However, it seemed he never adapted to maintaining being in the pocket over those years because it shows now that he's not running as much.




This is the most important quality from a QB in my opinion. The quick game. Brady has excelled at it his entire career. Nickel and Diming the defenses 5-10 yards at a time setting up the long ball later on. These kinds of QBs will last 15+ years as compared to 7-9 years from the mobile QBs. This is why I"m a firm believer in drafting a QB with a pro-style college offense or preparing to sit any other QB on the bench for 1-2 years at the very least. I still laugh at all these fucking idiots that were clamoring for us to give up the farm (yet again) for a washed up Russell Wilson. I'm glad lil Danny didn't pull the trigger.[/quote]

Interesting with the 33 years old…it’s true how fast MCNab and Cam fell off…now Russ 34. Window closing sooner as that element goes with age/risks injuries.

Thing in todays game, you still need an athletic QB. The tall, in the pocket statues not really working either. Gotta be have that scramble, off script element.

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Wilson has fallen off a cliff. The grass isn't greener in Denver.

Matt Ryan is just so slow. He can still throw short and mid range when he has time but that's it. The lack of mobility just kills him.

Pickett is looking more and more like he is going to be the Steelers starter for a long time.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1330638]Wilson has fallen off a cliff. The grass isn't greener in Denver.

Matt Ryan is just so slow. He can still throw short and mid range when he has time but that's it. The lack of mobility just kills him.

Pickett is looking more and more like he is going to be the Steelers starter for a long time.[/quote]

Wilson diva bs ain’t working in Denver, his teammates ain’t putting up with his shit he did in Seattle.

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Man, the Colts are a disaster.

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[quote=Chico23231;1330639]Wilson diva bs ain’t working in Denver, his teammates ain’t putting up with his shit he did in Seattle.[/quote]Apparently not. Saw one of his teammates went off on him yesterday. Crazy story. When is Hackett getting fired? Someone told me recently that LaFleur called plays for GB last year not Hackett. Rough year for Denver and that Wilson contract is going to hamstring them for a while.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1330629]. I'm glad lil Danny didn't pull the trigger.[/quote]

He would have, if Wilson had expressed the slightest interest in coming here Dan would have given up the farm. It was not some kind of sanity from Dan

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1330634]Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson having a competition for who can suck the most.[/quote]

Matt Ryan really needs to retire after this season. Aaron Rodgers too. Tom Brady too. These old heads need to just give up, they're shitting on their legacies at this point.

If Russ Wilson can't figure out how to become a chef again he probably has another 2 years max. I think the Broncos might legit consider paying 50 million in dead cap next year to get rid of him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1330639]Wilson diva bs ain’t working in Denver, his teammates ain’t putting up with his shit he did in Seattle.[/quote]

They put up with it in Seattle because they were winning, last yr they dumped him asap

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[quote=Chico23231;1330639]Wilson diva bs ain’t working in Denver, his teammates ain’t putting up with his shit he did in Seattle.[/quote]

When you start losing everyone sees through his fake bullshit... "let ride!" What a tool. So glad we didn't sign him.

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The NFL continues to try and fail miserably in the Los Angeles market.

[url]https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Morning-Buzz/2022/11/29/Rams-charity-tickets-Christmas.aspx[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1330638]Matt Ryan is just so slow. He can still throw short and mid range when he has time but that's it. The lack of mobility just kills him.[/quote]


It has more to do with his release time than anything. He doesn't get the ball out fast and ends up getting sacked a lot.

In 2017, he ranked 16th in average time to throw.


[url]https://www.ajc.com/sports/matt-ryan-ranks-16th-average-time-throw-among-starting-quarterbacks/xtLo0ZNbXSwmpJVJhD7SxN/[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/m3fJPGn.jpg[/IMG]


In 2022, he's even worse. Much worse. Week 2 he was sitting at slightly over 3 seconds. This is why his career is tanking. He's simply holding the ball too long.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FZfuz1r.jpg[/IMG]

Yes, you'll need mobility if you continue to hold the ball that long. It's not needed if you can get the ball out faster.

If you got QBs that hold the ball too long, you'll need a stud OL to keep him upright most of the game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1330694]The NFL continues to try and fail miserably in the Los Angeles market.

[url]https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Morning-Buzz/2022/11/29/Rams-charity-tickets-Christmas.aspx[/url][/quote]

The thing that has always killed me is the NFL allowed 2 teams to move there when historically they haven't even supported 1 team. I'd be surprised if both teams are still there in 10 years.

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[quote=mooby;1330703]The thing that has always killed me is the NFL allowed 2 teams to move there when historically they haven't even supported 1 team. I'd be surprised if both teams are still there in 10 years.[/quote]

The Raiders are the only team that had a chance long-term imo.

Raiders should have went to LA, Rams or Chargers should have went to Vegas. Then the last team should have went to like San Antonio, OKC, etc.

Of course, the Raiders won out by landing in Vegas. So good for them.