Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1335898]I honestly don't get all the fuss.

[I]"...There appeared to be a divide between Rivera's vision for what he wanted offensively -- led by a power run game -- and Turner's vertical passing attack. Rivera and general manager Martin Mayhew both emphasized the desire to be more of a physical running team."[/I]

GOOD!

You can have a physical running game and a vertical passing game. You can have a vertical passing game "LED" by a power run game. It's not like you have to choose one of the two. I mean do you want to be a "non"-physical running team, or do you want to be a physical running team? Pretty easy answer if you ask me. Maybe all they are talking about is the same thing all of us have been talking about, which is they want to remake the offensive line so they can be more "physical". I'm ok with that. It doesn't mean they are going to stop throwing the ball to McLaurin, Dotson, etc. I think they realize the value in them, which is why McLaurin was extended and they picked Dotson in the 1st round.

It's easy to make something out of nothing with everything us fans have been through over the last two plus decades, but sometimes it's just not as bad as it may seem.[/quote]

Vertical passing attack..... or controlling the clock to keep the opposing offense off the field. Pick one.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Rivera should call Gibbs and have him school his ass on how an Air Coryell offense operates.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=mooby;1335900]Vertical passing attack..... or controlling the clock to keep the opposing offense off the field. Pick one.[/quote]

No, I disagree. You don't have to pick one. Just because you want to control the pace of the game with a solid physical running game, does not also mean that you don't have the ability to stretch the field with a vertical passing game, and/or you won't take your shots when the opportunities are there.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

List of teams by % of pass plays.

[url]https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct[/url]

Pretty surprising. There are 10 teams below us. 5 made the playoffs.

3 of those teams were the Giants, Ravens, and Eagles. All 3 had QBs that rushed for over 700 yards. Lots of those were likely pass calls where they kept the ball and scrambled. So their numbers may be skewed a bit.

The other 2 were the 49ers and Cowboys. Those numbers were also likely skewed by QB injuries and having good running backs.

But still, I wouldn't have guessed 10 teams passed less by % and 5 of those teams made the playoffs.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1335901]Rivera should call Gibbs and have him school his ass on how an Air Coryell offense operates.[/quote]

The Coryell offense is a combination of deep and mid range passing and [B]power running[/B].

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1335898]I honestly don't get all the fuss.

[I]"...There appeared to be a divide between Rivera's vision for what he wanted offensively -- led by a power run game -- and Turner's vertical passing attack. Rivera and general manager Martin Mayhew both emphasized the desire to be more of a physical running team."[/I]

GOOD!

[B]You can have a physical running game and a vertical passing game. [/B]You can have a vertical passing game "LED" by a power run game. It's not like you have to choose one of the two. I mean do you want to be a "non"-physical running team, or do you want to be a physical running team? Pretty easy answer if you ask me. Maybe all they are talking about is the same thing all of us have been talking about, which is they want to remake the offensive line so they can be more "physical". I'm ok with that. It doesn't mean they are going to stop throwing the ball to McLaurin, Dotson, etc. I think they realize the value in them, which is why McLaurin was extended and they picked Dotson in the 1st round.

It's easy to make something out of nothing with everything us fans have been through over the last two plus decades, but sometimes it's just not as bad as it may seem.[/quote]

This is my favorite offense. Best of both worlds.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Power running game does not equal how many attempts you run it.

You can have a power running game but still only run the ball 40% of the time. Power is a style, not a number.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Bobby Slowik could be an interesting name to consider.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=punch it in;1335907]Bobby Slowik could be an interesting name to consider.[/quote]

I'd prefer Bobby Fastwik.

(I'm here all week)

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1335908]I'd prefer Bobby Fastwik.

(I'm here all week)[/QUOTE]


Lol. Thought about Blewitt as I was typing that. But honestly the guy started his career in Washington. Now the passing game coordinator for the Niners. Sounds about perfect to me.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Please, please mean that Snyder is selling the team. Because it's basically official now, that Rivera is coming back in 2023. Hopefully this is essentially a 1 year prove it deal for Rivera to be retained by the new owner if we look good in 2023. I think the defense is pretty solid. Franchise or re-sign Payne, and draft a CB and LB. Possibly re-sign Holcomb.

Turning an offensive line from a sieve to functional will be way harder.

I'm on the Howell train and I think any O.C. will be an upgrade over Turner.

So if you can keep the defense solid and fix the OL, 2023 can be a solid season imo.

I hope Rivera and Co. bring in a consultant or 12 to analyze possible OL players.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1335910]Please, please mean that Snyder is selling the team. Because it's basically official now, that Rivera is coming back in 2023. Hopefully this is essentially a 1 year prove it deal for Rivera to be retained by the new owner if we look good in 2023. I think the defense is pretty solid. Franchise or re-sign Payne, and draft a CB and LB. Possibly re-sign Holcomb.

Turning an offensive line from a sieve to functional will be way harder.

I'm on the Howell train and I think any O.C. will be an upgrade over Turner.

So if you can keep the defense solid and fix the OL, 2023 can be a solid season imo.

I hope Rivera and Co. bring in a consultant or 12 to analyze possible OL players.[/QUOTE]


Rivera has had his entire career to prove it. He has proven that he finishes 80% of his seasons with losing records. I hate that he is coming back because he brings absolutely nothing to the table.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=punch it in;1335909]Lol. Thought about Blewitt as I was typing that. But honestly the guy started his career in Washington. Now the passing game coordinator for the Niners. Sounds about perfect to me.[/quote]

He's 35 and knows what a good offense looks like, I'd be all for him. I'd have zero complaints with that hire.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=punch it in;1335911]Rivera has had his entire career to prove it. He has proven that he finishes 80% of his seasons with losing records. I hate that he is coming back because he brings absolutely nothing to the table.[/quote]

I don't love him coming back either. That's why I'm hoping his coming back means Snyder is selling because he doesn't want to pay his remaining contract and any new owner would very likely rather keep Rivera for a year then hire their own coach after 2023 if the season looks like 2020-2022. Rather than fire a new H.C. after 1 season.

But if somehow Rivera actually succeeded in fixing the OL, maintaining the D, and hiring an OC that helped us get to 9+ wins, he might stick around longer.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

With the state of our QB situation it only makes sense to want to RUN first and PASS second … now that would completely change if we had a big time gun slinger QB .. The 49ers have a real shot at a Super Bowl with a rookie QB (last draft pick) combined with a solid Run game and a TOP Defense.. sounds a little like what Ron wants to do. Gonna take a great OC to get us there ..

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Our team, with no other changes, has a 99% chance of being better next year simply by replacing Turner. So today was a good day:

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/28k1B34VPZ8AAAAM/car-bouncing.gif[/IMG]

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=rocnrik;1335915]With the state of our QB situation it only makes sense to want to RUN first and PASS second … now that would completely change if we had a big time gun slinger QB .. The 49ers have a real shot at a Super Bowl with a rookie QB (last draft pick) combined with a solid Run game and a TOP Defense.. sounds a little like what Ron wants to do. Gonna take a great OC to get us there ..[/quote]

But you have to factor in that our offensive line was fucking terrible at pass protection. They were so fucking bad at protecting the QB, by default we had to run the ball as much as possible.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=Meks;1335861]Good riddance. I have mixed feelings about JDR.. really wish we had a more creative and aggressive DC but the D showed up for the most part this year just tough to call sometimes.[/quote]

I feel same as well.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Oh yeah!! How about Jay Gruden as OC, we know he’s good at that.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1335919]Oh yeah!! How about Jay Gruden as OC, we know he’s good at that.[/QUOTE]


What are your thoughts on Slowick?

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=punch it in;1335920]What are your thoughts on Slowick?[/quote]

He was with us on the defensive side, and move to O with SF. Too early to judge his offensive work, he replaced McDaniel. Gruden had McVay, O’Connell as assistants that have moved to very successful coaching roles. Gruden is proven OC, rather go with him.

Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1335921]He was with us on the defensive side, and move to O with SF. Too early to judge his offensive work, he replaced McDaniel. Gruden had McVay, O’Connell as assistants that have moved to very successful coaching roles. Gruden is proven OC, rather go with him.[/QUOTE]


I really can’t see Gruden coming back. Do HC’s that get fired go back to the same teams as Coordinators ever? Just seems awkward.

He is a passing specialist now. He is doing wonders with Mr Irrelevant. Has gotten to learn from a great HC, offense, and organization. He is young and hungry.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

No one from Kyle's staff is coming here. It's going to be really hard to get any top guy to come run the offense. You don't have an established QB first off. Second you already have Ron saying we have to run the ball - so you're going to have this fossil thinking coach leaning over you if you throw 2 passes in a row. Then you most likely have a lame duck HC and a new owner. Just not a recipe for any OC trying to make their way.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1335924]No one from Kyle's staff is coming here. It's going to be really hard to get any top guy to come run the offense. You don't have an established QB first off. Second you already have Ron saying we have to run the ball - so you're going to have this fossil thinking coach leaning over you if you throw 2 passes in a row. Then you most likely have a lame duck HC and a new owner. Just not a recipe for any OC trying to make their way.[/quote]

Our 2 choices are likely an old retread that can't say no or a younger surprise candidate that bumps over a stepping stone to take the job. Give me the younger guy with a smile on my face.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1335925]Our 2 choices are likely an old retread that can't say no or a younger surprise candidate that bumps over a stepping stone to take the job. Give me the younger guy with a smile on my face.[/quote]

It'll probably be Zampese. That's my guess. They're probably not going to change the offense around and change the terminology.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Well, I got 1/3rd of my wish. Now if Rivera and his lame defensive coordinator go, I get all of my wish.

Rivera had arguably the best quarterback in the league and only had two seasons where his team won more than they lost.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1335926]It'll probably be Zampese. That's my guess. They're probably not going to change the offense around and change the terminology.[/quote]

That’s my guess too, plus he has the last name. He’ll pick someone loyal to him, a yes man.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1335926][B]It'll probably be Zampese. That's my guess. [/B]They're probably not going to change the offense around and change the terminology.[/quote]

I really really hope you're wrong.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1335929]I really really hope you're wrong.[/quote]

You should know Rivera by now, he likes to play it safe and work with people he trusts. Don’t see him being adventurous.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1335930]You should know Rivera by now, he likes to play it safe and work with people he trusts. Don’t see him being adventurous.[/quote]

He shocked me already by firing Turner. So I'm gonna hold out hope for a surprise/exciting candidate.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1335924]No one from Kyle's staff is coming here. It's going to be really hard to get any top guy to come run the offense. You don't have an established QB first off. Second you already have Ron saying we have to run the ball - so you're going to have this fossil thinking coach leaning over you if you throw 2 passes in a row. Then you most likely have a lame duck HC and a new owner. Just not a recipe for any OC trying to make their way.[/QUOTE]


He is from the East Coast. He might believe in Howell. Hell he is doing it with Brock Purdy now. We certainly have weapons. He is always going to be in Shanahans shadow there when people think about the offense. Can be the top dog here for the offense.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Slowik is intriguing, but he has no ties to RR that I can tell, so I'm not sure he's on the short list. Could be good though if he'd even be interested.

RR better hire someone who can get this offense rolling though, or he's sure to be gone by mid-season.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1335933]Slowik is intriguing, but he has no ties to RR that I can tell, so I'm not sure he's on the short list. Could be good though if he'd even be interested.

[B]RR better hire someone who can get this offense rolling though[/B], or he's sure to be gone by mid-season.[/quote]

I have very limited confidence Rivera will do it. But he fired Turner, so maybe he'll shock us again.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

As far as the running game is concerned, going with Howell as the starter could add as many as 500 yards on designed runs and scrambles.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Good riddance IMO.

I get the feeling next season will be weird anyway, depending on the timing of the sale: does it happen before the draft, after the draft, or next offseason all together ? Anyway Ron will still probably be there so it still won't be the fresh start we're yearning for.

Also, with how many of us bitched about Turner not running the ball enough, I don't understand the fuss over Ron's comments. Howell has one good game and suddenly we want to be Kansas City's offense ?

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1335936]Good riddance IMO.

I get the feeling next season will be weird anyway, depending on the timing of the sale: does it happen before the draft, after the draft, or next offseason all together ? Anyway Ron will still probably be there so it still won't be the fresh start we're yearning for.

Also, with how many of us bitched about Turner not running the ball enough, I don't understand the fuss over Ron's comments. Howell has one good game and suddenly we want to be Kansas City's offense ?[/quote]

KC's offense is way out of reach - because we don't have Mahomes or Andy Reid coaching this team. Just saying Ron's comments sound like someone preparing for a game manager QB who can hand the ball off 30 times a game and can only win games by controlling the tempo and dominating time of possession.

He has the opportunity to build the roster and coaching staff in his image - and his image is not something that has won many titles in the last 20 years.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=mooby;1335937]KC's offense is way out of reach - because we don't have Mahomes or Andy Reid coaching this team. Just saying Ron's comments sound like someone preparing for a game manager QB who can hand the ball off 30 times a game and can only win games by controlling the tempo and dominating time of possession.

He has the opportunity to build the roster and coaching staff in his image - and his image is not something that has won many titles in the last 20 years.[/quote]

Anyway Ron has probably just one season left unless the sale takes for ever... I don't trust him to build this roster and I don't think the old school power run physical team is the way to have sustained success in today's NFL. But we were screaming "run the effin ball" at Turner all season long, so I do think there's a bit of over reaction to Ron expressing his difference of views with Turner.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1335938]Anyway Ron has probably just one season left unless the sale takes for ever... I don't trust him to build this roster and I don't think the old school power run physical team is the way to have sustained success in today's NFL. But we were screaming "run the effin ball" at Turner all season long, so I do think there's a bit of over reaction to Ron expressing his difference of views with Turner.[/quote]

I'm not saying we need to be passing the ball 70% of the time, a balanced attack is totally necessary. Just saying Ron talks like a guy who has no interest in a passing game that attacks the defense.

[url]https://twitter.com/AlGaldi/status/1612878730686242816[/url]

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=mooby;1335941]I'm not saying we need to be passing the ball 70% of the time, a balanced attack is totally necessary. Just saying [B]Ron talks like a guy who has no interest in a passing game that attacks the defense.[/B]

[url]https://twitter.com/AlGaldi/status/1612878730686242816[/url][/quote]

Ron's a dinosaur and proved it again during yesterday's presser. The Bears led the league in rushing, how'd that work for them?

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=mooby;1335941]I'm not saying we need to be passing the ball 70% of the time, a balanced attack is totally necessary. Just saying Ron talks like a guy who has no interest in a passing game that attacks the defense.

[url]https://twitter.com/AlGaldi/status/1612878730686242816[/url][/quote]

To be fair I didn't listen to the presser. And I agree Ron isn't up to date with what the NFL has become. The only thing he has for him is being a nice guy IMO, his coaching, in game decision, and roster management skills are mediocre at best.
My only point was that after a season of screaming for Turner to realize we didn't have the means to be a pass happy offense, the will to be "more physical team" didn't feel completely out of touch with what we saw this year.