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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1363292]I'm hoping Bobby Wagner is our new London Fletcher, even if only for a season. We need leaders and tone-setters to get this franchise towards leaving the (snyder) past behind. I'm excited for Ekeler in the same tone. Outside of adding a good FA offensive tackle (which is obviously not easy, if even possible), I don't think we could have had a better offseason.[/quote]

Yes I agree and I LOVE our approach, see what we have in our kitchen cabinets with a new chef in town before we go spending…can Coleman turn into our booked Tackle?! Maybe…would be huge! Can Jayden Daniels quick release/mobility and new offensive system make our O line’s life easier, maybe we’ll see…we didn’t spend on a WR (resigning Samuel’s or expensive free agent), or spend big other than Luvu (I love) and the center from Dallas and Dorance Armstrong (who DQ knows very well with his time in Dallas)…so safe spending and a bunch of 1 year rentals…Wilie and Jonathan can come off the books after this year with huge cap savings…MAJOR cap room coming our way and we’ll have MUCH better clarity of what we have and what we TRULY need…I mean this is down right genius…if we DO struggle, that’s fine cus we’re rebuilding and high draft picks will only help…so WIN WIN

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1363292]I'm hoping [B]Bobby Wagner [/B]is our new London Fletcher, even if only for a season. We need leaders and tone-setters to get this franchise towards leaving the (snyder) past behind. I'm excited for Ekeler in the same tone. Outside of adding a good FA offensive tackle (which is obviously not easy, if even possible), I don't think we could have had a better offseason.[/quote]

From this ESPN article:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/40474896/2024-nfl-offseason-ranking-signing-draft-trade-newcomer-impact-acquisitions[/url]

[B]3.[/B] [I]Daniels may need some time to develop as a passer, but he is sure to make a major impact right out of the gate for two primary reasons: his elite rushing ability and new Washington playcaller Kliff Kingsbury, who operates the fastest-moving offense in the league. The 2023 Heisman Trophy winner led all FBS quarterbacks with 1,134 rushing yards.[/I]

[B]8.[/B] [I]Here's another high-impact move by Washington, as Dan Quinn's new-look defense will be anchored by a future Hall of Famer in Wagner. The 34-year-old hasn't lost a step, having led the NFL in tackles (183) last season. He and fellow newcomer Frankie Luvu (foreshadow alert) will combine forces to make up one the league's best off-ball-linebacker pairings.
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[B]29.[/B] [I]Bobby Wagner might have the bigger name, but don't overlook the addition of Luvu to the linebacker room in Washington. The former Panther is one of only two players with 200-plus tackles and 12-plus sacks over the past two seasons (Demario Davis is the other).[/I]

The numbers next to each write up is the ranking out of 50

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[quote=mredskins;1363300]From this ESPN article:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/40474896/2024-nfl-offseason-ranking-signing-draft-trade-newcomer-impact-acquisitions[/url]

[B]3.[/B] [I]Daniels may need some time to develop as a passer, but he is sure to make a major impact right out of the gate for two primary reasons: his elite rushing ability and new Washington playcaller Kliff Kingsbury, who operates the fastest-moving offense in the league. The 2023 Heisman Trophy winner led all FBS quarterbacks with 1,134 rushing yards.[/I]

[B]8.[/B] [I]Here's another high-impact move by Washington, as Dan Quinn's new-look defense will be anchored by a future Hall of Famer in Wagner. The 34-year-old hasn't lost a step, having led the NFL in tackles (183) last season. He and fellow newcomer Frankie Luvu (foreshadow alert) will combine forces to make up one the league's best off-ball-linebacker pairings.
[/I]
[B]29.[/B] [I]Bobby Wagner might have the bigger name, but don't overlook the addition of Luvu to the linebacker room in Washington. The former Panther is one of only two players with 200-plus tackles and 12-plus sacks over the past two seasons (Demario Davis is the other).[/I]

The numbers next to each write up is the ranking out of 50[/quote]

Wagner is instantly the quarterback of the defense…he can read plays pre snap as there’s not much he hasn’t seen…he can keep the flow of communication between the front seven and the defensive backs, for blitzing purposes and helping a lot with allignment. We didn’t have anyone with this type of knowledge in the middle of the defense since Fletcher. He commands respect with his resume, and will show other guys how to be a professional and taking care of their bodies…Luvu is going to be DQ’s Micah parsons…except far far cheaper (once Micah resigns and breaks the market)….Jordan Magee will benefit a lot with Wagner by his side, he could be our Fred Warner, as AP seems to work some magic in late rounds finding stud LB’s

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1363280][URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/commanders-claim-riley-patterson-release-damiere-byrd-and-dax-milne"]Source:[/URL][/quote]

Much needed competition, good to hear

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[URL="https://riggosrag.com/posts/5-critical-observations-commanders-2024-training-camp-day-9"]5 critical observations from Commanders 2024 training camp Day 9[/URL]

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[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40724050/commanders-rookie-qb-jayden-daniels-play-preseason-opener"]Jayden Daniels ready for 'different challenge' with NFL debut[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1363351][URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40724050/commanders-rookie-qb-jayden-daniels-play-preseason-opener"]Jayden Daniels ready for 'different challenge' with NFL debut[/URL][/quote]

its going be rainy but i am fucking going by myself on my birthday, ha!

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So the USA Today newswire did an article on Forbes. Nothing really earth-shattering just Forbes is happy to be under the new coaching regime. I just have to pick on the editors of the article for the final paragraph -


Forbes has gotten off to a strong start in training camp and looks like a different player. The next test is seeing it translate to the games. Washington opens the preseason against the New York Gets on Saturday.


Proofreading is so dead in the news industry. That is unless the Jets and Giants merged into the New York Gets.[emoji1787]

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Lol.. It would be nice if Forbes plays better, which would mean we have one less thing to worry about in the future.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1363354]So the USA Today newswire did an article on Forbes. Nothing really earth-shattering just Forbes is happy to be under the new coaching regime. I just have to pick on the editors of the article for the final paragraph -


Forbes has gotten off to a strong start in training camp and looks like a different player. The next test is seeing it translate to the games. Washington opens the preseason against the New York Gets on Saturday.


Proofreading is so dead in the news industry. That is unless the Jets and Giants merged into the New York Gets.[emoji1787]

Sent from my SM-S711U using Tapatalk[/quote]

If you were a northerner over here, you'd understand that it may not have been a typo... 😁[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(slang)#:~:text=A%20shortening%20of%20beget%2C%20get,Commons%20to%20be%20unparliamentary%20language."]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(slang)#:~:text=A%20shortening%20of%20beget%2C%20get,Commons%20to%20be%20unparliamentary%20language.[/URL]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1363354]So the USA Today newswire did an article on Forbes. Nothing really earth-shattering just Forbes is happy to be under the new coaching regime. I just have to pick on the editors of the article for the final paragraph -


Forbes has gotten off to a strong start in training camp and looks like a different player. The next test is seeing it translate to the games. Washington opens the preseason against the New York Gets on Saturday.


Proofreading is so dead in the news industry. That is unless the Jets and Giants merged into the New York Gets.[emoji1787]

Sent from my SM-S711U using Tapatalk[/quote]It would be awesome if Forbes could work out. Huge season for him. Heard he gained some weight which is a step in the right direction. He was a pick machine in college.

HTTC!

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Forbes and St Juste have been the no1 CBs with the rookie in the nickel.

This could change but it’s noteworthy as Forbes was maybe to be replaced by the signing of Davis. Not happening as of now

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[url]https://www.commanders.com/news/commanders-release-first-2024-unofficial-depth-chart[/url]

Depth chart is out.

Forbes is a backup. Kinda surprised at that tbh.

Phidarian Mathis is a backup to the backup. Not surprised at that.

Jamin Davis is a backup OLB. Kinda lines up with what we're hearing out of camp.

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Yeah, Forbes being a back up isn't a good sign. Coleman starting as LT is nice.

But then, this is still training camp and depth chart can easily change throughout the camp.

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[quote=mooby;1363364][url]https://www.commanders.com/news/commanders-release-first-2024-unofficial-depth-chart[/url]

Depth chart is out.

Forbes is a backup. Kinda surprised at that tbh.

Phidarian Mathis is a backup to the backup. Not surprised at that.

Jamin Davis is a backup OLB. Kinda lines up with what we're hearing out of camp.[/quote]

Kinda wild the rookie is LT. Good news

Also the backup nickel is the KR. Was really curious to see what they did there.

Davis at CB, I’m good with if he’s playing better than Forbes. Total screw up not taking the Oregon CB.

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[quote=Chico23231;1363366]Kinda wild the rookie is LT. Good news

Also the backup nickel is the KR. Was really curious to see what they did there.

Davis at CB, I’m good with if he’s playing better than Forbes.[B] Total screw up not taking the Oregon CB.[/B][/quote]

We could have had him and Kyle Hamilton ; so embarrassing how bad RR was at player personal

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On to Cincinnati...

We can't continue to dwell on the things of the past. There are probably 100 different decisions over the last couple of years that could have been made that would have been better than the decision that was actually made. A lot of teams can probably say that, though.

We have new owners, a new coaching staff, lotta new players, new atmosphere, renewed optimism... The mistakes of the past will slowly but surely show up in the rear-view mirror, where they belong. I'd rather talk about the future than the past at this point.

I know it's preseason, but I can't wait to get a glimpse of what this team will be about this weekend.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1363378]On to Cincinnati...

We can't continue to dwell on the things of the past. There are probably 100 different decisions over the last couple of years that could have been made that would have been better than the decision that was actually made. A lot of teams can probably say that, though.

We have new owners, a new coaching staff, lotta new players, new atmosphere, renewed optimism... The mistakes of the past will slowly but surely show up in the rear-view mirror, where they belong. I'd rather talk about the future than the past at this point.

I know it's preseason, but I can't wait to get a glimpse of what this team will be about this weekend.[/quote]

Fans need to be like Frozen, and let it go. We got hosed for way longer than deserved. But, yeah, we gotta let everything before this season go.

There isn't anything that shows that Harris, Quinn, and Jayden Daniels aren't exactly what's needed to become a great franchise once again.

Note - Our 1st regular season game is against the Bucs.

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[quote=GridIron26;1363365]Yeah, Forbes being a back up isn't a good sign. [/quote]Forbes size is an issue. Just don't know if Quinn and Whitt are cool with smaller, not overly physical players. We'll find out soon enough.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1363379]Fans need to be like Frozen, and let it go. We got hosed for way longer than deserved. But, yeah, we gotta let everything before this season go.

There isn't anything that shows that Harris, Quinn, and Jayden Daniels aren't exactly what's needed to become a great franchise once again.

Note - Our 1st regular season game is against the Bucs.[/quote]

I disagree, as we speak I'm working on a time machine so we can go back to 2015 and win a title with Jay Gruden and Kirk Cousins. We squandered the best years and a title now wouldn't compare at all to a title from the last 9 years.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1363394]Forbes size is an issue. [B]Just don't know if Quinn and Whitt are cool with smaller, not overly physical players. [/B] We'll find out soon enough.[/quote]

They've said many times that they want players that are physical, who run and hit. That is not a description of Forbes. To put it another way, "Not like Forbes" is what they say they want.

Regardless of that I think it's good that the coaches are giving Forbes a fair chance to make the team. He could be the exception to the rule. The real test for Forbes would be to put him up against big receivers in the preseason and see whether or not big receivers can just shrug him off like they did last season.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1363277]Prediction: Dotson and McLaurin will both go over 1000 yards receiving this year if Daniels and both of them play 14 games or more.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2024/7/31/24201768/daily-slop-31-jul-24-jahan-dotson-johnny-newton-and-lots-of-jayden-daniels-updates-commanders[/url][/quote]

Hell of a prediction, Terry gets 1250, I cant give Dotson 1000 at this point. I actually think Ertz, Sinnot, and Luke surpass him as targets during the season

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If Ertz stays healthy I could see him having a very productive year.

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[quote=MTK;1363406]If Ertz stays healthy I could see him having a very productive year.[/quote]

Agreed there, and I think having him will help Sinnot develop as well

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[url]https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1821568076120297923[/url]

Forbes not looking good at practice with the Jets today.

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[url]https://www.jetnation.com/2024/08/08/garrett-wilson-torches-commanders-dbs-in-joint-practice/[/url]

sound like a crappy commanders day all around including the O

At 4 John Kiem is having a live podcast from the practice

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[quote=MTK;1363406]If Ertz stays healthy I could see him having a very productive year.[/quote]

Agreed there, and I think having him will help Sinnot develop as well

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Good coaching can't fix our most serious deficiencies. Only AP can do that. We need: 1) A #1 CB. and 2) OL depth.

AP should consider throwing some big money at Stephon Gilmore. He would be plug and play. Forget about Forbes. He can't play.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1363354]So the USA Today newswire did an article on Forbes. Nothing really earth-shattering just Forbes is happy to be under the new coaching regime. I just have to pick on the editors of the article for the final paragraph -


Forbes has gotten off to a strong start in training camp and looks like a different player. The next test is seeing it translate to the games. Washington opens the preseason against the New York Gets on Saturday.


Proofreading is so dead in the news industry. That is unless the Jets and Giants merged into the New York Gets.[emoji1787]

Sent from my SM-S711U using Tapatalk[/quote]

I see articles online constanty with typos. WTF has happened to journalism?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1363428]Good coaching can't fix our most serious deficiencies. Only AP can do that. We need: 1) A #1 CB. and 2) OL depth.

AP should consider throwing some big money at Stephon Gilmore. He would be plug and play. Forget about Forbes. He can't play.[/quote]

I kind of respect the front office for showing the discipline not to sign an aging corner whose play has dropped off. He is looking to be paid for several years and that may not be a wise investment. But as a fan it sure would be nice but fans don't know as much as a good front office does. Emphasis on the good front office part, when fans were screaming for Darrisaw and Gonzales and Ron gave us Davis and Forbes well that was not a good front office.

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this is a rebuild. why would you sign gilmore? that makes no sense. this team will win 6 games tops. still not better than dallas, eagles or giants. this year is all about #5. if he can start every game, and get that experience, and become an elite player then we are on our way. that is really all that matters imo. the rest can fall into place if he is elite.

people making a big stink about forbes. he isn't a NFL player. he's too fucking small and weak. damn good college player but the sec isn't the NFL. terrible pick by ron as was Davis. now they're trying to have davis change positions? when does that work in the NFL? like never. he'll be gone too.

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In hindsight, so far, I hate the Forbes pick. At the time it was a slight reach, but not egregious. Many had a 1st round grade on him, many had 2nd round grades as well. But what made it worse (both then and now) is that C Gonzalez was also on the board. Hopefully, this staff can get something out of Emmanuel. If not, bubbye.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1363440]In hindsight, so far, I hate the Forbes pick. At the time it was a slight reach, but [B]not egregious[/B]. Many had a 1st round grade on him, many had 2nd round grades as well. But what made it worse (both then and now) is that C Gonzalez was also on the board. Hopefully, this staff can get something out of Emmanuel. If not, bubbye.[/quote]

I can't agree with you that Forbes was not an egregious pick by RR. Hindsight was not required to see that it was.

Gonzales has everything you could want in a CB. He was a consensus Top 10 pick. Before the draft, I and many other Commanders fans said that it would be a no-brainer to pick Gonzales if he fell to us, and it was.

Meanwhile, RR fell in love with a 165 pound CB with a very slight frame. Forbes was unlikely to hold up in the NFL from the beginning.

I just can't bring myself to lighten up on RR when it comes to his drafting record. He was a terrible GM.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1363432]this is a rebuild. why would you sign gilmore? that makes no sense. this team will win 6 games tops. still not better than dallas, eagles or giants. this year is all about #5. if he can start every game, and get that experience, and become an elite player then we are on our way. that is really all that matters imo. the rest can fall into place if he is elite.

people making a big stink about forbes. he isn't a NFL player. he's too fucking small and weak. damn good college player but the sec isn't the NFL. terrible pick by ron as was Davis. now they're trying to have davis change positions? when does that work in the NFL? like never. he'll be gone too.[/quote]

OK, OK, I get it y'all. No Gilmore. He's too expensive and we're team building. Please forgive my obtuse post about him. I'm just freaking out a little about our CB situation which I think needs some type of GM attention.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1363432]this is a rebuild. why would you sign gilmore? that makes no sense. this team will win 6 games tops. still not better than dallas, eagles or giants. this year is all about #5. if he can start every game, and get that experience, and become an elite player then we are on our way. that is really all that matters imo. the rest can fall into place if he is elite.

people making a big stink about forbes. he isn't a NFL player. he's too fucking small and weak. damn good college player but the sec isn't the NFL. terrible pick by ron as was Davis. now they're trying to have davis change positions? when does that work in the NFL? like never. he'll be gone too.[/quote]


Need you to take your negativity to a time out for a bit lmao

Ttys!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1363443]OK, OK, I get it y'all. No Gilmore. He's too expensive and we're team building. Please forgive my obtuse post about him. I'm just freaking out a little about our CB situation which I think needs some type of GM attention.[/quote]

KI, I think you’re spot on about CB. I wanted us to sign Gilmore, or a vet CB this offseason even if it was for 1 year. I saw CB as our biggest weakness, and I felt we needed to address it in FA, or the draft. Forbes was a terrible pick, then and now (as someone else mentioned) being taken ahead of the consensus #1 CB Gonzalez was negligent malpractice. Concern is warranted; our starting LCB and RCB are below average.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1363442]I can't agree with you that Forbes was not an egregious pick by RR. Hindsight was not required to see that it was.

Gonzales has everything you could want in a CB. He was a consensus Top 10 pick. Before the draft, I and many other Commanders fans said that it would be a no-brainer to pick Gonzales if he fell to us, and it was.

Meanwhile, RR fell in love with a 165 pound CB with a very slight frame. Forbes was unlikely to hold up in the NFL from the beginning.

I just can't bring myself to lighten up on RR when it comes to his drafting record. He was a terrible GM.[/quote]

I was talking about the position where EF was drafted. That wasn't really egregious when you compare that to where most draft analysts had him going.

I agree that we should have taken Gonzales instead. That was not a good decision, which I alluded to.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1363462]I was talking about the position where EF was drafted. That wasn't really egregious when you compare that to where most draft analysts had him going.

I agree that we should have taken Gonzales instead. That was not a good decision, which I alluded to.[/quote]

You are too kind.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1363465]You are too kind.[/quote]

:)

The world could use a few more like me. :cheers

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[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40811221/qb-jayden-daniels-impresses-preseason-debut-commanders"]QB Jayden Daniels impresses in preseason debut for Commanders[/URL]