Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364169]Let's review your math. From you article the top 1% had their tax rates reduced from nearly 40% to 20% while the average middle class earner had a tax break of a thousand bucks. Does it needed to be pointed out that a 20% decrease at the income levels of the top 1% is a much much larger number than $1,000? So obviously the top 1% benefitted far more than the average worker. Kamala is looking to change that and have the top 1% pay more and the average American pay less.[/quote]

If you pay 20k per year in taxes and I pay 10k per year in taxes, then they cut your rate 5% and mine receives a higher cut of 7.5%, you would still "get" more money than me because you paid more. You would get to keep an extra 1k and I would get to keep an extra 750. Is this unfair? No, it makes sense, if you pay more you could keep more actual dollars even if my tax rate cut was higher.

Note - I was already responding to your original post, while it looks like you were editing.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364173][B]But he most definitely paid less in taxes than you did in so many years. Is it really news to you that the ultra wealthy have ways to get out of paying their fair share of taxes?[/B]

Well many of us will work to change the laws by casting our votes in November.

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur[/url][/quote]

I honestly don't understand why Average Americans who work hard for their money get upset and scream when a Politician wants the top 1% to pay their share? Those top 1 % don't care about the average American quite contrary they want the average Americans to pay more to cover their share. How many on this Board personally know someone in the Top 1%(100,000,000 mill) and that increase would hurt them? People /Voters need perspective.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1364177]If you pay 20k per year in taxes and I pay 10k per year in taxes, then they cut your rate 5% and mine receives a higher cut of 7.5%, you would still "get" more money than me because you paid more. You would get to keep an extra 1k and I would get to keep an extra 750. Is this unfair? No, it makes sense, if you pay more you could keep more actual dollars even if my tax rate cut was higher.

Note - I was already responding to your original post, while it looks like you were editing.[/quote]

I had edited my post because I misread yours. We both agree that a tax break will beneifit the 1% far more than the average worker. So therefore the tax breaks benefitted the ultra wealthy far more than Sam the butcher as I have always claimed. Kamala is simply trying to change that.

It's no secret that the ultra rich pay very little in taxes, as I have posted in the other thread Trump literally bragged about it. Well some of feel that is very very wrong.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364193]I had edited my post because I misread yours. But tell me how I am wrong when I say a big tax break to a 1% would not be substantially higher than the $1,000 average tax break the middle class realized. So therefore the tax breaks benefitted the ultra wealthy far more than Sam the butcher as I have always claimed.[/quote]

Looking at total dollars is the wrong way to look at it, that's why you're wrong. The top 1% tax rate dropped from 39.6% to 37%. Middle class dropped from 25% to 22% and lower middle class dropped from 15% to 12%.

3% >>> 2.6%

So the middle class got to keep a higher % of their income and pay a drastically lower tax rate in general.

If Kamala wants to drop my tax rate even lower than 22%, I'll take it. Is that what she's proposing? I haven't seen that anywhere.

When looking at any stat, you can't just look at the total number. You have to look at %'s, ratio's, per capita, etc.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1364195]Looking at total dollars is the wrong way to look at it, that's why you're wrong. The top 1% tax rate dropped from 39.6% to 37%. Middle class dropped from 25% to 22% and lower middle class dropped from 15% to 12%.

3% >>> 2.6%

So the middle class got to keep a higher % of their income and pay a drastically lower tax rate in general.

If Kamala wants to drop my tax rate even lower than 22%, I'll take it. Is that what she's proposing? I haven't seen that anywhere.

When looking at any stat, you can't just look at the total number. You have to look at %'s, ratio's, per capita, etc.[/quote]

You make a fair point however as I said in my edited post (you are too quick for me) it's no secret that the ultra wealthy have ways to pay very little in taxes. Trump literally bragged about it and said it was smart and if you don't like it get the laws changed, which I totally agree with. However something is terribly wrong when a man like Donald Trump paid far less in taxes than you did. So I'm voting for the person who will fight to change that.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364193]It's no secret that the ultra rich pay very little in taxes, as I have posted in the other thread Trump literally bragged about it. Well some of feel that is very very wrong.[/quote]

[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364196]You make a fair point however as I said in my edited post (you are too quick for me) it's no secret that the ultra wealthy have ways to pay very little in taxes. Trump literally bragged about it and said it was smart and if you don't like it get the laws changed, which I totally agree with. However something is terribly wrong when a man like Donald Trump paid far less in taxes than you did. So I'm voting for the person who will fight to change that.[/quote]

Outside of the tax rate themselves, the tax code is definitely one big, convoluted cluster-fuck that benefits the wealthy. They have the money to bribe the politicians to write favorable tax codes and they have the money to pay high-profile accountants/tax preparers to avoid as many taxes as possible once its time to pay. I agree w/ you, that this definitely isn't right.

But politicians write all of these tax codes, including Kamala Harris. Democrats are just as responsible as writing all the bullshit tax-codes as republicans are. I don't buy for a second, that the tax code will change any more with her as President, than it did under anyone else. Every democratic presidential candidate says they're going to make these drastic changes. Biden didn't do it, Obama didn't do it, and Harris won't do it either. To be fair to them, I don't even know if it's possible for a president to really do anything anyways, because most of congress also benefits from the current system (both sides). It's just a great talking point you can throw out there every election.

If she wins and actually manages to accomplish that, then I'll tip my hat to her. But it's all political-speak to me until proven otherwise.

Give me a flat tax, with no write-offs or anything. No one pays any taxes on the 1st 50K they make or 100k for joint filers, then everything above that is taxed at 25% (give or take a couple % points). That's it, that's the tax code. Of course it will never pass because then both sides can't use taxes as a political weapon, all the rich fuckers can't bribe anyone, and politicians don't get their kickbacks.

The main reason I'm conservative is I don't trust our federal government. I want as limited as a government as possible, including things like drastically simplyfying the tax code.

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Tax rates assuming I was in the same tax group now since I started working in 1999 and going through 2024:

2018 - 2024: 24.00%
2003 - 2017: 28.00%
2002: 30%
2001: 30.5%
1999 - 2000: 31%

[url]https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-income-tax-rates-brackets/[/url]

Yeah, sign me up for the Trump tax plan over any other president since I've been working. If Kamala wins, I hope my fair share/middle class taxes do not increase past 24.00%.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364196]You make a fair point however as I said in my edited post (you are too quick for me) it's no secret that the ultra wealthy have ways to pay very little in taxes. Trump literally bragged about it and said it was smart and if you don't like it get the laws changed, which I totally agree with. However something is terribly wrong when a man like Donald Trump paid far less in taxes than you did. So I'm voting for the person who will fight to change that.[/quote]

Which is why the Dems rate increases hurt the middle and lower classes more than they hurt the rich. The problem with the Dems taxing plans (and has always been that problem) are the deductions, exemptions, the shelters etc. that benefit the rich. Why do you think many maybe even most of the rich support the Dems more than the GOP? Dem plans always seem to include tax incentives for targeted areas most of which benefit the wealthy. Example Obamas tax plans incentive to buy electric cars which at the time only the very wealthy could afford to take advantage of.

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[quote=Giantone;1364161]Seems you're the one with the wrong information............

[url]https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/03/18/fact-sheet-celebrating-affordable-care-act.html#:~:text=Since%20its%20enactment%20on%20March,LGBTQI%2B%20and%20communities%20of%20color[/url].

Since its enactment on March 23, 2010, the Affordable Care Act has led to an historic advancement of health equity in the United States. This landmark law improved the health of all Americans, including women and families, kids, older adults, people with disabilities, LGBTQI+ and communities of color. Thanks to the ACA, millions more Americans have gained health coverage without limits, and protections are in place for people with preexisting conditions. People have access to essential health benefits, including preventive and rehabilitative care, prescription drugs, wellness visits and contraceptives, mental health and substance use treatment, among many others. The Biden-Harris Administration is committed to building on the success of the ACA and making health care a right for all Americans................

Hit the link for more............[/quote]

Yes those poor people that now have health insurance can afford that $10,000 deductible they are still flocking to Hospitals for care. Having access and affording the deductible are two different things. There are still 25 million without coverage.

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/health-insurance.htm[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1364199]Outside of the tax rate themselves, the tax code is definitely one big, convoluted cluster-fuck that benefits the wealthy. They have the money to bribe the politicians to write favorable tax codes and they have the money to pay high-profile accountants/tax preparers to avoid as many taxes as possible once its time to pay. I agree w/ you, that this definitely isn't right.

But politicians write all of these tax codes, including Kamala Harris. Democrats are just as responsible as writing all the bullshit tax-codes as republicans are. I don't buy for a second, that the tax code will change any more with her as President, than it did under anyone else. Every democratic presidential candidate says they're going to make these drastic changes. Biden didn't do it, Obama didn't do it, and Harris won't do it either. To be fair to them, I don't even know if it's possible for a president to really do anything anyways, because most of congress also benefits from the current system (both sides). It's just a great talking point you can throw out there every election.

If she wins and actually manages to accomplish that, then I'll tip my hat to her. But it's all political-speak to me until proven otherwise.

Give me a flat tax, with no write-offs or anything. No one pays any taxes on the 1st 50K they make or 100k for joint filers, then everything above that is taxed at 25% (give or take a couple % points). That's it, that's the tax code. Of course it will never pass because then both sides can't use taxes as a political weapon, all the rich fuckers can't bribe anyone, and politicians don't get their kickbacks.

The main reason I'm conservative is I don't trust our federal government. I want as limited as a government as possible, including things like drastically simplyfying the tax code.[/quote]

I agree that democrats are equally to blame. Both of them serve their corporate overlords and their big donors. When I hear things such as huge increases in campaign contributions I know it just means bought favors.

I however am not sold on the flat tax just because 25% (going with the example) to someone making 51K is a much bigger impact than some one making 200k. I don't have the answers. While I have been told I am aesthetically pleasing to look at I am not nearly handsome enough to be a politician.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1364397]I agree that democrats are equally to blame. Both of them serve their corporate overlords and their big donors. When I hear things such as huge increases in campaign contributions I know it just means bought favors.

I however am not sold on the flat tax just because 25% (going with the example) to someone making 51K is a much bigger impact than some one making 200k. I don't have the answers. While I have been told I am aesthetically pleasing to look at I am not nearly handsome enough to be a politician.[/quote]

A person making 51K under that proposal would only pay $250.00 in federal income tax (nothing on 50k, 25% on 1k).

A person making 200K would pay $37,500 (25% on 150k).

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[quote=Fishingfool;1364389]Yes those poor people that now have health insurance can afford that $10,000 deductible they are still flocking to Hospitals for care. Having access and affording the deductible are two different things. There are still 25 million without coverage.

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/health-insurance.htm[/url][/quote]

So you're saying that all 25 million have a 10,000 deductible?LOL


From your own link

. In 2023, 21.8 million adults ages 18–64 (10.9%) were uninsured. This was lower
than 2022, when 24.3 million adults ages 18–64 (12.2%) were uninsured.

Actually proves more people are signing up as the ACA gets improvments.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364173]It was widely reported that Trump paid no taxes in 10 out of 15 years as he claimed losses. He paid $750 in the year he was elected and again $750 the first year in office. See the link below. Not only didn't Trump deny this he actually bragged about it by stating "that made me smart" as well as (paraphrasing) "if you have a problem with it get the laws changed", which I agree with by the way. He was simply playing by the rules. But he most definitely paid less in taxes than you did in so many years. Is it really news to you that the ultra wealthy have ways to get out of paying their fair share of taxes?

Well many of us will work to change the laws by casting our votes in November.

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur[/url][/quote]

The wealthy not paying their fair in taxes is a myth.

Most of the government’s federal income tax revenue comes from the nation’s top income earners. In 2021, the top 5% of earners — people with incomes $252,840 and above — collectively paid over $1.4 trillion in income taxes, or about 66% of the national total. If you include the top 10% — everyone who made at least $169,800 — that figure rises to $1.7 trillion, or 76% of the total.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB1FXvYvcaI[/url]

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[quote=Fishingfool;1364777]The wealthy not paying their fair in taxes is a myth.

Most of the government’s federal income tax revenue comes from the nation’s top income earners. In 2021, the top 5% of earners — people with incomes $252,840 and above — collectively paid over $1.4 trillion in income taxes, or about 66% of the national total. If you include the top 10% — everyone who made at least $169,800 — that figure rises to $1.7 trillion, or 76% of the total.[/quote]

Tell that to Warren Buffet's secretary. I'm not talking about the people making a few hunded grand a year, I'm talking about the ultra wealthy. Trump did pay very little in taxes, and bragged about it. I'm not making this up, that is wrong.

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[quote=Fishingfool;1364777]The wealthy not paying their fair in taxes is a myth.

Most of the government’s federal income tax revenue comes from the nation’s top income earners. In 2021, the top 5% of earners — people with incomes $252,840 and above — collectively paid over $1.4 trillion in income taxes, or about 66% of the national total. If you include the top 10% — everyone who made at least $169,800 — that figure rises to $1.7 trillion, or 76% of the total.[/quote]

When a posters posts figures without a supporting link it's just a poster posting figures. While I'm sure the figures may be accurate you need to supply a link for context. But again I was not talking about the people earninng a few hundred grand, I'm speaking of people like Donald Trump or Elon Musk.

As for @nonnie's comment directed at me which claimed many if not most high earners were Democrats again I am talking about the untra wealthy. The truth is the 50 wealthiest families breakdown is 56% Republican and only 14% Democrat with the balance split between 2 spouces. Here is the list of the top 10 richest families and their party affiliation:

1. Walton – Republican

2. Koch – Republican

3. Mars – Republican

4. Cargill-MacMillan – Republican

5. Johnson (Fidelity) – Republican

6. Hearst – Republican

7. Cox – Democrat

8. Pritzker – Both

9. Johnson (S.C. Johnson) – Republican

10. Duncan – Republican

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Hope everyone getting ready for Thanksgiving

There are folks abandoned by FEMA in North Carolina living in tents still after the hurricane

Reminder Biden/harris put and continue to put illegal pieces of shit in hotels, gave and continues to give them money on redeemable cash cards, flew them for free across the country.

What a complete embarrassment of an administration. Thank god we put trump back in

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[quote=Chico23231;1368339]Hope everyone getting ready for Thanksgiving

There are folks abandoned by FEMA in North Carolina living in tents still after the hurricane

Reminder Biden/harris put and continue to put illegal pieces of shit in hotels, gave and continues to give them money on redeemable cash cards, flew them for free across the country.

What a complete embarrassment of an administration. Thank god we put trump back in[/quote]

Nice try but you lie.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

The open borders under Biden hasnt been a good look, even if there's debate as to the economic benefit. Trumps policies on that front will look optically better.

I think Trump did a decent job thru 2019 until he was unable to handle covid from a PR perspective. That said, I dont know what was so horrible about Obama's 8 years in office.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=hail2commanders;1368351]The open borders under Biden hasnt been a good look, even if there's debate as to the economic benefit. Trumps policies on that front will look optically better.

I think Trump did a decent job thru 2019 until he was unable to handle covid from a PR perspective. That said, I dont know what was so horrible about Obama's 8 years in office.[/quote]

Obama wasn't the worst of Presidents (unlike the last two) but he is highly (very highly) overrated. When you actually look at the data he accomplished very little as he alienated the GOP with his very first engagement (Eric Cantor went to him and offered support for his ACA if he included a couple of GOP concerns especially Tort reform Obama told him "Elections have consequences" go pound sand). After that he only got two bills of consequence passed - ACA which wasn't fully successful and Dod-Frank which had mixed results and key elements had to be repealed (Repeal was even cosponsored by Frank). On the bad side he began the habit of the last three Presidents of throwing out or outright undermining everything his predecessor had implemented/accomplished whether it was good, bad working or not. I think the US would have been in a much better position if either of his opponents had beaten him.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

Reminder, the same people celebrating the cold blooded murder in NYC by a coward who shoots people in the back…these are the same people who celebrated gunman shooting teenagers at a music festival in Israel Oct 7, 2022; these are the same people who want 13 year boys to be chemically castrated without interference from there own parents; these are the same people who want a perfectly healthy baby to be killed up to its moment of birth; these are the same people who want to censor free speech

I don’t know what’s happened to liberals and democrats the last 15 years, but it’s been quite a fall. This started a long time before Trump, so can’t be blamed. But the outright support of political violence and murder on social media like Twitter/blue sky/tik tok; front page of Reddit, comments sections of CNN or yahoo…what are we teaching the next generation?

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[B][quote=Chico23231;1368765]Reminder, the same people celebrating the cold blooded murder in NYC by a coward who shoots people in the back…these are the same people who celebrated gunman shooting teenagers at a music festival in Israel Oct 7, 2022; these are the same people who want 13 year boys to be chemically castrated without interference from there own parents; these are the same people who want a perfectly healthy baby to be killed up to its moment of birth; these are the same people who want to censor free speech[/B]

I don’t know what’s happened to liberals and democrats the last 15 years, but it’s been quite a fall. This started a long time before Trump, so can’t be blamed. But the outright support of political violence and murder on social media like Twitter/blue sky/tik tok; front page of Reddit, comments sections of CNN or yahoo…what are we teaching the next generation?[/quote]

You need to shut the phuck up. your ignorance paints with a large brush and sadly your agenda of bias and hate just magnifies it even worse.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Chico23231;1368765]Reminder, the same people celebrating the cold blooded murder in NYC by a coward who shoots people in the back…these are the same people who celebrated gunman shooting teenagers at a music festival in Israel Oct 7, 2022; these are the same people who want 13 year boys to be chemically castrated without interference from there own parents; these are the same people who want a perfectly healthy baby to be killed up to its moment of birth; these are the same people who want to censor free speech

I don’t know what’s happened to liberals and democrats the last 15 years, but it’s been quite a fall. This started a long time before Trump, so can’t be blamed. But the outright support of political violence and murder on social media like Twitter/blue sky/tik tok; front page of Reddit, comments sections of CNN or yahoo…what are we teaching the next generation?[/quote]

chico should shut up and educate yourself...................

[B][SIZE="4"]Murdered Insurance CEO Had Deployed an AI to Automatically Deny Benefits for Sick People[/SIZE][/B]

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/news/murdered-insurance-ceo-had-deployed-175638581.html[/url]

Just over a year before United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was murdered this week in Midtown Manhattan, a lawsuit filed against the insurance giant he helmed revealed just how draconian its claims-denying process had become.

Last November, the estates of two former UHC patients filed suit in Minnesota alleging that the insurer used an AI algorithm to deny and override claims to elderly patients that had been approved by their doctors.

The algorithm in question, known as nH Predict, allegedly had a 90 percent error rate — and according to the families of the two deceased men who filed the suit, UHC knew it.


Though we don't yet know the identity of the person who shot Thompson nor his reasoning, reports claim that he wrote the words "deny," "defend," and "depose" on the shell casing of the bullets used to shoot the CEO — a message that makes it sound a lot like the killer was aggrieved against the insurance industry's aggressive denials of coverage to sick patients.

Beyond the shooter's own motives, it's clear from the shockingly celebratory reaction online to Thompson's murder that anger about the American insurance and healthcare system has reached the point of literal bloodlust.

[B][SIZE="6"]As The American Prospect so aptly put it, "only about 50 million customers of America’s reigning medical monopoly might have a motive to exact revenge upon the UnitedHealthcare CEO.[/SIZE][/B]"

And the alarming cruelty of the claims around the company's AI algorithm — we asked the company whether it's still using it, but received no immediate reply — perfectly illustrates why they're so angry.



chico, please show me proof that all these people are Liberals , Democrats , what proof do you have to your ignorant statement?

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Oh I forgot, seeing G1 reminded me

These are also the same people who celebrated near fatal assassination attempts on Former President

Hate filled folks

And then G1 promptly post proof his support of killing a person who worked for a company he just heard about for the first time yesterday

Liberals are so fucking brainwashed they don’t even see it

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Chico23231;1368775]Oh I forgot, seeing G1 reminded me

These are also the same people who celebrated near fatal assassination attempts on Former President

Hate filled folks

And then G1 promptly post proof his support of killing a person who worked for a company he just heard about for the first time yesterday

Liberals are so fucking brainwashed they don’t even see it[/quote]

LOL, you're dumb phuck. You need to learn to read.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Chico23231;1368765]Reminder, the same people celebrating the cold blooded murder in NYC by a coward who shoots people in the back…these are the same people who celebrated gunman shooting teenagers at a music festival in Israel Oct 7, 2022; these are the same people who want 13 year boys to be chemically castrated without interference from there own parents; these are the same people who want a perfectly healthy baby to be killed up to its moment of birth; these are the same people who want to censor free speech

I don’t know what’s happened to liberals and democrats the last 15 years, but it’s been quite a fall. This started a long time before Trump, so can’t be blamed. But the outright support of political violence and murder on social media like Twitter/blue sky/tik tok; front page of Reddit, comments sections of CNN or yahoo…what are we teaching the next generation?[/quote]

I was about to ask who was celebrating and then then just scrolled down 1 post to find out. This is pretty disgusting.

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Have to ask these questions, since this thread is mainly about DJT:

Giantone, are there any of Trump's policies that you like?

Chico, is there anything about Trump, from a policy or personal perspective, that you dislike? Do you think the 2020 election was stolen? Do you think Trump, aside from the court challenges, behaved appropriately from election day 2020 to Inauguration Day 2021?

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=nonniey;1368786]I was about to ask who was celebrating and then then just scrolled down 1 post to find out. This is pretty disgusting.[/quote]

This is the World trump supporters want. Do you agree with chico they are all Democrat's and Liberals or do you think a Republican could be pissed off or was maybe someone who lost someone do to shitty policy from their Healthcare provider?

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=hail2commanders;1368787]Have to ask these questions, since this thread is mainly about DJT:

Giantone, are there any of Trump's policies that you like?

Chico, is there anything about Trump, from a policy or personal perspective, that you dislike? Do you think the 2020 election was stolen? Do you think Trump, aside from the court challenges, behaved appropriately from election day 2020 to Inauguration Day 2021?[/quote]

No, becuase trump has no policies . There are policies that others implement that trump takes credit for if good and blames others if they are bad.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Giantone;1368788]This is the World trump supporters want. Do you agree with chico they are all Democrat's and Liberals or do you think a Republican could be pissed off or was maybe someone who lost someone do to shitty policy from their Healthcare provider?[/quote]

What are you talking about, I’m specifically talking about the reaction of praise from liberals who are celebrating a father who was shot in the back while waking down the street. You posted an article looking to justify it. It’s completely disgusting

It’s a new low for democrats and the left

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=hail2commanders;1368787]Have to ask these questions, since this thread is mainly about DJT:

Giantone, are there any of Trump's policies that you like?

Chico, is there anything about Trump, from a policy or personal perspective, that you dislike? Do you think the 2020 election was stolen? Do you think Trump, aside from the court challenges, behaved appropriately from election day 2020 to Inauguration Day 2021?[/quote]

I disagree with a decent amount of things Trump did and some policies.
Not really big on Tariffs he put on China on some sectors. I completely understand the talk now is simply bargaining for trade deals. I was completely pissed by the pandering to Putin on world stage at press conference first term. Spending packages weren’t exactly inline with small federal government. I thought the Covid spending didn’t make sense when he sent checks to everyone. I think he missed opportunities in South America to rally against Venazula by partnering with other countries, but now he has a forward thinking leader in Argentina who has crushed all socialist economic theory to work with now.

I don’t think 2020 was stolen per se, but without a doubt he had elements within the fed government working with big tech against the trump campaign. Trump lost the 2020 campaign due to Covid, he didn’t communicate well enough and didn’t rally folks the right way. Look, did he behave well enough? You have to remember, democrats and the media lied tried to remove him from office on 2 completely bogus events…Russian collusion hoax (which found nothing and was an false premise based on Steele dossier and democrat Alfa bank campaign hoax) and a phone call placed to Ukraine asking to research the possible corruption that Biden just pardoned his son for…? Ironic. What happens Jan 6 th was a disgrace, but trump asked for national guard which was denied by Nancy Pelosi as well as the Democratic mayor of DC. They are to blame as well.

Overall trump 1st presidency was a success, country was in a much better place and the world for that matter sans an epidemic leaked from a lab.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

Chico, thank you for the reasonable response.

I think therell always be some debate about responsibility for Jan 6. I personally dont think it shouldve come down to ordering the National Guard, and there was no need for Trump to hold his rally on certification day, but he just couldnt help himself.

Overall, I agree that Trump wouldve gotten reelected if not for covid. It seems in recent history incumbents stand a good chance atvreelection unless things are going seriously wrong like they were for Carter with inflation or Iran, or if you have a political rock star like Clinton running against Bush Sr. Trump of couse as you noted didnt handle covid well fron a PR perspective, and Biden exacerbated which he surely knew was going to be an inflationary environment, as well as just being too damn old to run for another term.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Chico23231;1368790]What are you talking about, I’m specifically talking about the reaction of praise from liberals who are celebrating a father who was shot in the back while waking down the street. You posted an article looking to justify it. It’s completely disgusting

It’s a new low for democrats and the left[/quote]

LOL, spin is the only way you can justly your ignorance. You made claims and still do it was "liberal's" that did this . I posted an artical saying it could be anyone of over 50 million people and no where does it mention Democrats or the left as you claim. At no point have I condoned this but you aren't one for facts, you're so ignorant you don't even know what a liberal is.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/outgoing-treasury-sec-yellen-sorry-we-havent-made-more-progress-believes-deficit-must-decreased[/url]

Outgoing Treasury Sec. Yellen 'sorry that we haven't made more progress,' believes deficit must be decreased

. "Are you sorry you couldn't make more progress on that?" he asked. Ip also asked Yellen how much risk the issue presents to the economy.
"Well I am concerned about fiscal sustainability. And I am sorry that we haven't made more progress. I believe that the deficit needs to be brought down, especially now that we're in an environment of higher interest rates," Yellen replied.

Reminder, Janet Yellen who resembles a European aristocrat male pedophille, is now concerned of the budget deficit. She fully endorsed the massive spending packages Biden passed his first couple years and then told us Inflation was not a concern with her endorsement.

While yes Trump spent money, he didn’t do the damage Biden did… Instead of simply allowing that one-time emergency COVID spending to expire, Biden and the Democratic Congress continued spending at that same COVID-era level, thus institutionalizing multitrillion-dollar deficits.

All told, Biden will likely oversee a net increase in the debt of more than $9 trillion in a single term—a new record

Financial ruin set up by Biden and democrats

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Chico23231;1370279][url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/outgoing-treasury-sec-yellen-sorry-we-havent-made-more-progress-believes-deficit-must-decreased[/url]

Outgoing Treasury Sec. Yellen 'sorry that we haven't made more progress,' believes deficit must be decreased

. "Are you sorry you couldn't make more progress on that?" he asked. Ip also asked Yellen how much risk the issue presents to the economy.
"Well I am concerned about fiscal sustainability. And I am sorry that we haven't made more progress. I believe that the deficit needs to be brought down, especially now that we're in an environment of higher interest rates," Yellen replied.

Reminder, Janet Yellen who resembles a European aristocrat male pedophille, is now concerned of the budget deficit. She fully endorsed the massive spending packages Biden passed his first couple years and then told us Inflation was not a concern with her endorsement.

While yes Trump spent money, he didn’t do the damage Biden did… Instead of simply allowing that one-time emergency COVID spending to expire, Biden and the Democratic Congress continued spending at that same COVID-era level, thus institutionalizing multitrillion-dollar deficits.

All told, Biden will likely oversee a net increase in the debt of more than $9 trillion in a single term—a new record

Financial ruin set up by Biden and democrats[/quote]


How much did the trump tax cuts increase the National Debt? chico?

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Simply amazing no one (national media and liberals) asks…where the fuck is the President? Seriously, what the fuck?

Where is he? Gotta multiple terrorist attacks…and he is absent.

Worst fucking President of my life. Fucking coward should just resign. Embarrassment

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=Chico23231;1370314]Simply amazing no one (national media and liberals) asks…where the fuck is the President? Seriously, what the fuck?

Where is he? Gotta multiple terrorist attacks…and he is absent.

Worst fucking President of my life. Fucking coward should just resign. Embarrassment[/quote]

He's been busy giving murderers a break and sabotaging future efforts to curb illegal immigration (ie border wall materials being liquidated). Seems like this is the modi-operandi since 2016. As much as I detest Trump (Believe he is the 2d worst President in US history) this reminds me of how bad a President Biden is as well. Juvenile level actions (which are probably actually being implemented by Biden's woke advisors as I believe Biden's mind is gone at this point).

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You guys are ridiculous, he spoke about it last night

[url]https://www.wdsu.com/article/new-orleans-terror-attack-biden-video/63317745[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1370320]You guys are ridiculous, he spoke about it last night

[url]https://www.wdsu.com/article/new-orleans-terror-attack-biden-video/63317745[/url][/quote]

trump lying again.....................

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2025/01/02/new-orleans-trump-blames-terrorism-open-borders/77400631007/[/url]


[B]Without evidence, Trump blames Biden 'open borders' for 'radical Islamic terrorism'[/B]
Amid a fast-moving investigations, President-elect Donald Trump linked 'radical Islamic terrorism' to 'open borders.'




[SIZE="5"][B]Federal investigators said the suspect in the New Orleans attack, Shamsud-Din Jabbar, who killed 14 people and left dozens injured was a Texas-born U.S. citizen and Army veteran[/B].[/SIZE]

Police fatally shot Jabbar after he rammed a truck carrying an ISIS flag into a crowd of New Year's Eve revelers on Bourbon Street early Wednesday.

Deputy Assistant FBI Director Christopher Raia on Thursday said investigators believe Jabbar acted alone to execute a premeditated "act of terrorism" that was "100% inspired by ISIS," referring to the Islamic State terrorist organization.

Re: The Last 4 Years.
 

[quote=MTK;1370320]You guys are ridiculous, he spoke about it last night

[url]https://www.wdsu.com/article/new-orleans-terror-attack-biden-video/63317745[/url][/quote]

Interrupted his st croix vacation…brief statement…turned his back and like always, no questions slowly walked away

Weak pathetic man