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Trent Williams was 32 I think when traded to 49ers...he's still rolling strong...hopefully Tunsil will as well.

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[quote=MTK;1373571]31 isn’t ancient he’s still a high level OT

Two future picks is basically a discount too[/quote]

I agree on age for LT, the terms are heavy and TBD. We also gave them a 7th and its for 2 remaining years. I'd like them to extend him as a 2,3,4,7 vs this years 4th and player is a lot However, it transforms or oline and we now have 2 potential pro bowlers after injuries subside. I still want a starting guard. I think I like this deal. It was the best we could do to secure a starting LT. Frankly, fortunate. We need to protect our star QB. Tunsil isnt amazing but pretty good

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Here's PFF's write up on Tunsil going into the 2024 season, as they ranked all 32 tackles. As a reference Trent, Tristan Wirfs, and Penei Sewell were the top 3 tackles:

8. Laremy Tunsil, Houston Texans
Tunsil remains one of the best pass-blocking offensive tackles in the entire league. His 84.9 pass-blocking grade ranked fourth at the position in 2023. Tunsil has earned a 91.6 pass-blocking grade since joining the Texans in 2019, second among 67 qualifying offensive tackles in that span.

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Interesting question, why did this trade happen AFTER free agency unless it was a backup plan to us signing a LT such as Ronnie Staley or Dan Moore? I bet they wanted Staley

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Where is Staley ranked vs Tunsil?

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;1373564]Ur not gunna like this writeup about Kinlaw, not just on his play, but his cursing out of press. I thought we wanted high character guys. This is nothing like Allen, a classy captain to look up to this guy will be compared to him. And interesting that we haven't resigned Fowler, perhaps due to his vulgar bitching on x? I dont get it. I would prefer Allen in a heartbeat to someone who threatens the press.
[url]https://atozsports.com/nfl/washington-commanders-news/commanders-first-big-move-free-agency-is-a-mistake-that-doesnt-make-sense/[/url][/QUOTE]


AP: “Damn, is this the same Kinlaw we dumped in San Francisco, the knucklehead who chewed out a reporter?!? Why didn’t someone tell me??!?”

You’re right, I don’t like that write up.


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[quote=skinsnut;1373581]Where is Staley ranked vs Tunsil?[/quote]

Stanley was ranked 20th. Here's the write up on him:

20. Ronnie Stanley, Baltimore Ravens
Stanley’s best years seem to be behind him. He has not played more than 900 snaps in a season since 2019 and has not earned a PFF grade over 71.0 in any of his last three seasons. However, when he's healthy, the Notre Dame product can still be a solid pass protector for stretches. In fact, his 2023 pass-blocking grade of 75.9 ranked 22nd among offensive tackles.

And here's the site: [url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-offensive-tackle-rankings-top-32-ahead-of-the-2024-nfl-season[/url]. Again, this was going into the season that just ended, so this doesn't take into account the season that just ended.

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Tunsil around the same age as Trent when he last played for us. For years that has seemed like a huge mistake. 30 is not 40. This is a huge move and screams we want to win it all now.

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Kinlaw and Tunsil healthy and coming off good years. We just saw the Eagles beat us because they beat us in the trenches. Nobody should be complaining about any of this.

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[quote=punch it in;1373585]Kinlaw and Tunsil healthy and coming off good years. We just saw the Eagles beat us because they beat us in the trenches. Nobody should be complaining about any of this.[/quote]

Not complaining, just assessing
Strictly opinion but I see Kinlaw as a D move, due to cost, performance, attitude, injury history all on an unforced move when we had the $ to keep a well respected captain at likely similar future performance TBD.

I see Tunsil as a B move, an obvious upgrade and directly protects our franchise QB, far more important piece. We traded a lot for him, hence the B. And I think he may get penalized a good amount. Really a critical move, similar to CB with Lattimore but moreso, since there is only 1 blindside tackle. It also creates depth at LT AND potentially fills another starting role at RT or guard. This move is the move of the offseason so far. This is not just a receiver or a DT. It is arguable that the LT may be the 2nd most important position on the field. I am quite pleased it was addressed firmly

Going into last season, I was saying the sky was falling due to our weak oline talent and the weaker new flop giants oline coach that couldnt get production out of first rounders. We'll, they did pretty well. Of course it helped that we had a quick throw, quick scramble, elite vision superstar QB. Oline is essential in our division. This is a rock solid piece that impacts the whole oline, well done Peters!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1373583]Stanley was ranked 20th. Here's the write up on him:

20. Ronnie Stanley, Baltimore Ravens
Stanley’s best years seem to be behind him. He has not played more than 900 snaps in a season since 2019 and has not earned a PFF grade over 71.0 in any of his last three seasons. However, when he's healthy, the Notre Dame product can still be a solid pass protector for stretches. In fact, his 2023 pass-blocking grade of 75.9 ranked 22nd among offensive tackles.

And here's the site: [url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-offensive-tackle-rankings-top-32-ahead-of-the-2024-nfl-season[/url]. Again, this was going into the season that just ended, so this doesn't take into account the season that just ended.[/quote]

Thanks, yeah, I'd take that with a smile at no draft pick cost, but it looks like we got the better LT, which is highly preferable to protect Daniels

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Happy with both signings - money and value a little high sounding - a LITTLE... but when the production matches that will go to bed.

Trenches focus is a win for me.

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Now go draft edge and corner and win a Superbowl.

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The strategy is obvious, they're trying to win it all now while JD is on a rookie deal. This was a really steep price to pay for Tunsil. But at the same time, Peters seems to have a strategy and is going for it. We all wanted to be in this position, have a franchise QB on a rookie deal try and make a run. We'll see if it works. It worked for the Rams, basically throwing in the towel on the draft.

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[quote=MTK;1373571]31 isn’t ancient he’s still a high level OT

Two future picks is basically a discount too[/quote]

LT's seem to be able to play at a high level well into their 30's. Andrew Whitworth made it to 40 I believe. He's the exception but don't see why Tunsil can't play until he's 35 or 36, if he takes care of his body and is still motivated.

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Anyone got a clear enough picture of likely compensatory picks? Figuring we should get something for losing Brown at least.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1373592]The strategy is obvious, they're trying to win it all now while JD is on a rookie deal. This was a really steep price to pay for Tunsil. But at the same time, Peters seems to have a strategy and is going for it. We all wanted to be in this position, have a franchise QB on a rookie deal try and make a run. We'll see if it works. It worked for the Rams, basically throwing in the towel on the draft.[/quote]

I'm not sure I would categorize anything we have done so far as "throwing in the towel on the draft". For Tunsil, we gave up a 3rd and 7th this year and got a 4th back. We did give up a couple picks next year, but it's too early to tell what picks we'll end up with in 2026 at this point.

We still have five picks this year in rounds 1, 2, 4, 6, & 7.

I don't know yet if I'm a fan of the Kinlaw deal, but I'll give AP the benefit of the doubt.

Gotta believe we are actively looking for some DB help with Chinn going to the Raiders.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1373595]I'm not sure I would categorize anything we have done so far as "throwing in the towel on the draft". For Tunsil, we gave up a 3rd and 7th this year and got a 4th back. We did give up a couple picks next year, but it's too early to tell what picks we'll end up with in 2026 at this point.

We still have five picks this year in rounds 1, 2, 4, 6, & 7.

I don't know yet if I'm a fan of the Kinlaw deal, but I'll give AP the benefit of the doubt.

Gotta believe we are actively looking for some DB help with Chinn going to the Raiders.[/quote]

I am willing to bet we also trade back from 29 at this point.

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We got to add a DE, so who is it?

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[quote=Chico23231;1373597]We got to add a DE, so who is it?[/quote]

we will sign DeMarcus Lawrence and draft one at 29

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Gonna say it, kinda shocked not that we got Kinlaw, but the price we paid. Certainly didn’t hear him as DT who would be that sought out, at that price, 30 million in guarantees?

DJ Reed, a much better player at his position, got 32 million in guarantees….??? I much rather have paid him than a rotational piece

For 30 million guaranteed, you better come in here and play well immediately

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DJ Reed got stolen!

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[QUOTE=Meks;1373600]DJ Reed got stolen![/QUOTE]


He did. I groaned when I saw that.


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Michael Gallup to visit:

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/former-dallas-cowboys-star-wr-michael-gallup-with-dan-quinn-ties-visiting-washington-commanders[/url]

I could see him contributing but count me in the group that wanted to keep Dyami Brown. He is a good deep threat which played well for JD.

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I absolutely hate the Tunsil deal.Living in Houston and being a Texans fan also I was so tired of seeing this guy kill drives with his false start penalties, couldnÂ’t wait for him to be gone, And then we trade for him!!? Wtf, Let me repeat, I absolutely freaking hate this deal, he is an absolute drive killer

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[quote=htownskinfan;1373605]I absolutely hate the Tunsil deal.Living in Houston and being a Texans fan also I was so tired of seeing this guy kill drives with his false start penalties, couldnÂ’t wait for him to be gone, And then we trade for him!!? Wtf, Let me repeat, I absolutely freaking hate this deal, he is an absolute drive killer[/quote]

From ESPN Plus (Scored a B-)

The Commanders are not messing around with quarterback Jayden Daniels' rookie contract window. Apparently not satisfied with Brandon Coleman as their left tackle, the Commanders swung for one of the league's most established tackles in Tunsil.

Tunsil is coming off a season with a 93% pass block win rate (10th best) and a 75% run block win rate (39th). [B][SIZE="5"]He also led the entire NFL in penalties regardless of position with 19.[/SIZE][/B] When doing research for my 100-player MVP story, I got more positive feedback from folks in the league on Tunsil than those numbers would suggest, and I ranked him as the 72nd most valuable player in 2024. Tunsil is consistent, with a 92% or 93% pass block win rate in each of the last three seasons over 48 regular-season games.

The appeal for the Commanders is obvious, as Tunsil makes their offensive line better. By our numbers, Coleman was very solid for a third-round rookie, with above average pass and run block win rates. Tunsil should raise the floor, though.

Does he raise it enough? Maybe? But I'm not totally convinced because this is a significant package going back to Houston. According to our draft pick calculations, a mid-second-round pick and a mid-third-round pick are worth approximately the same as one mid-first-round pick when added together. This is worth a shade less than that because the 2025 third-round selection is late in the round but still, this is serious trade compensation.

Picks can seem abstract, but they represent surplus value that teams have to be careful not to squander. On the flip side, there's an argument teams flush with cap space like Washington must make trades like this in order to get their money invested in good players.

The other piece of good news for Washington is that Tunsil's contract is a value for the Commanders if they leave it alone. He is currently slated to cost them $21.35 million over each of the next two years. That's only a shade more per year than what Dan Moore Jr. just got from the Titans -- and Tunsil is better than Moore. If the Commanders sign Tunsil to a new deal, I would drop their grade, as the value of what they received would be reduced. Tunsil will turn 31 before the season starts, but tackles do tend to last much longer than other positions.

As for Houston, this is a tough pill to swallow because Tunsil was the strength of an otherwise weak offensive line. The interior of the offensive line struggled to protect C.J. Stroud and the running game lacked consistency. So, the timing of this is odd.

However, this is solid return for Tunsil. If one took the numbers I mentioned above, without the qualitative adjustment, getting a second- and third-round pick for him would be pretty good.


But those premium picks have significant surplus value. And I think it's possible that that surplus value exceeds the value of Tunsil's contract. The timing is rough considering the state of the offensive line and the fact that Houston is also in a rookie quarterback window. But I don't hate it.

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[quote=mredskins;1373606]From ESPN Plus (Scored a B-)

The Commanders are not messing around with quarterback Jayden Daniels' rookie contract window. Apparently not satisfied with Brandon Coleman as their left tackle, the Commanders swung for one of the league's most established tackles in Tunsil.

Tunsil is coming off a season with a 93% pass block win rate (10th best) and a 75% run block win rate (39th). [B][SIZE="5"]He also led the entire NFL in penalties regardless of position with 19.[/SIZE][/B] When doing research for my 100-player MVP story, I got more positive feedback from folks in the league on Tunsil than those numbers would suggest, and I ranked him as the 72nd most valuable player in 2024. Tunsil is consistent, with a 92% or 93% pass block win rate in each of the last three seasons over 48 regular-season games.

The appeal for the Commanders is obvious, as Tunsil makes their offensive line better. By our numbers, Coleman was very solid for a third-round rookie, with above average pass and run block win rates. Tunsil should raise the floor, though.

Does he raise it enough? Maybe? But I'm not totally convinced because this is a significant package going back to Houston. According to our draft pick calculations, a mid-second-round pick and a mid-third-round pick are worth approximately the same as one mid-first-round pick when added together. This is worth a shade less than that because the 2025 third-round selection is late in the round but still, this is serious trade compensation.

Picks can seem abstract, but they represent surplus value that teams have to be careful not to squander. On the flip side, there's an argument teams flush with cap space like Washington must make trades like this in order to get their money invested in good players.

The other piece of good news for Washington is that Tunsil's contract is a value for the Commanders if they leave it alone. He is currently slated to cost them $21.35 million over each of the next two years. That's only a shade more per year than what Dan Moore Jr. just got from the Titans -- and Tunsil is better than Moore. If the Commanders sign Tunsil to a new deal, I would drop their grade, as the value of what they received would be reduced. Tunsil will turn 31 before the season starts, but tackles do tend to last much longer than other positions.

As for Houston, this is a tough pill to swallow because Tunsil was the strength of an otherwise weak offensive line. The interior of the offensive line struggled to protect C.J. Stroud and the running game lacked consistency. So, the timing of this is odd.

However, this is solid return for Tunsil. If one took the numbers I mentioned above, without the qualitative adjustment, getting a second- and third-round pick for him would be pretty good.


But those premium picks have significant surplus value. And I think it's possible that that surplus value exceeds the value of Tunsil's contract. The timing is rough considering the state of the offensive line and the fact that Houston is also in a rookie quarterback window. But I don't hate it.[/quote]

Yeah yeah yeah that all sounds good till we sign him to a big contract, and why would Houston be willing to let such a great player go on an offensive line that couldn’t protect the quarterback?

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at least we didn't pay chase young $51M

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[quote=htownskinfan;1373607]Yeah yeah yeah that all sounds good till we sign him to a big contract, and why would Houston be willing to let such a great player go on an offensive line that couldn’t protect the quarterback?[/quote]

dude i literally highlighted your point from the article; did you even read it

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For some perspective read through last year’s free agency thread, some real gems in there

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[quote=mredskins;1373608]at least we didn't pay chase young $51M[/quote]

That was the worst signing in FA.. WTF is N.O Doing???

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[quote=MTK;1373610]For some perspective read through last year’s free agency thread, some real gems in there[/quote]

you should pin it


we are all arm chair GMs this time of year

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Allen got paid

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44204677/jonathan-allen-vikings-agree-3-year-60m-deal-per-agent[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1373611]That was the worst signing in FA.. WTF is N.O Doing???[/quote]

The Saints need an intervention. Their affinity for shopping is out of control, and it is saddling poor New Orleans fans year after year after year with a team that might win nine games but has next to no shot at winning the Super Bowl. And every time the Saints make another ill-advised signing -- at this point, they are pretty much all ill-advised -- they kick the mediocrity-at-best can down the road once again.

As of this writing, before Young's deal hits the books, the Saints are $11 million over the 2025 cap -- and only $48 million under the 2026 cap. And that was before this deal, which presumably will be light in 2025 (and therefore more expensive in 2026 and beyond).

It doesn't really matter what you think of Young. I think he's not bad! He isn't even 26 yet! Once it became clear he was never going to be the player he was promised to be when he was the No. 2 pick in the 2020 draft, he settled into a role that will be useful for seasons to come. He isn't a star but can rush the passer a little, and that's worth something.

But again, it doesn't matter in this situation. Since the Saints constantly push themselves so close to the limit of what they can spend, they end up facing brutal choices like they had this offseason: Do they spend millions more on someone such as quarterback Derek Carr to make it easier for them to be cap compliant now (but harder later)?

This transaction is another example of that. As my colleague Katherine Terrell points out, the Saints would have had $9 million in dead cap had Young's contract voided on Wednesday. Instead, they will kick that can down the road too. Time and again, the Saints fail to take the obvious team-building action: Tear it down, trade away their veterans, stop spending. Then regroup, with assets, to make a real run at it. The Saints ought to have an ability to think beyond the season directly in front of them. And yet, they're here again.

Which brings us back to Young. As compared to the rest of the league, $17 million is not an expensive deal for an edge rusher of Young's caliber (and that's the only thing saving this grade from being an F). But when compared to Monday's edge rusher transactions, it's a bit expensive. Josh Sweat agreed to a contract of only $19 million per year, while Khalil Mack's deal netted $18 million and Haason Reddick's deal was for $14 million. But perhaps the edge market corrects next year and the Saints can flip Young's contract for a profit.

But there should be no lauding what the Saints did here, because they are doing what they always do -- spending future money when they shouldn't.

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[quote=mredskins;1373609]dude i literally highlighted your point from the article; did you even read it[/quote]

Lol yes but I thought you was trying to make a counterpoint with all the other good shit they said about them,my mistake

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[quote=htownskinfan;1373605]I absolutely hate the Tunsil deal.Living in Houston and being a Texans fan also I was so tired of seeing this guy kill drives with his false start penalties, couldnÂ’t wait for him to be gone, And then we trade for him!!? Wtf, Let me repeat, I absolutely freaking hate this deal, he is an absolute drive killer[/quote]

But these are things that can be corrected. Could be that he waw pressing a bit because of the situation w/ their o-line.

But wouldn't you agree that these are just mental errors that can be easily corrected? I have always hated giving up draft picks. But the Rams have proven that going the other way can work.

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I like Tunsil, he makes the whole line better. Putting Coleman and Tunsil on the left side with Cosmi and Wylie on the right will give JD5 that extra time to destroy the other team's scheme.

That said, our defense is taking hit after hxt and it wasn't good enough for that.

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im ok with the Tunsil trade, however i do not understand the Javon Kinlaw signing.
Jonathan Allen would have cost us 16 mil vs Kinlaw who costs us 15 mil.. soo we're saving a mil for a player that's worse than Allen ?
I get it was time to move on from Allen but why the hell did we pay this below average dude so much?

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Tunsil will help our Oline, there's no question about that.

On a different note, I'm kinda concerned about the safety position. As of right now, Butler would replace Chinn if we don't sign a safety unless we draft one.

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We were one game away from being in the Superbowl. When you have an unexpected good team, you have to swing big.

Even with his flaws, Tunsil is easily a top 10 tackle in the league. We haven't had anywhere near that talent since Trent.