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You MIGHT have been able to think that about TO, but come on!

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Hell, I'm hoping Dyson doesnt make the first team. No offense to the guy, but seriously, we have young guys that I really want to see preform in McCants and Jacobs; we have vetaran speedsters in Moss and Patten, we have James thrash who plays the game with more heart than most anyone I've ever seen, and has anyone heard anything about that reciever we worked out from the NFLE?? Or was that the arena league??

Anyway reading the panther's fans reactions to getting gardner is pretty interesting... one even called him more talented than the moose. LMAO.

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really in my opinion, i wouldn't mind him on our team had he not been a d-bag. He can produce, but his d-bag qualities, his 50/50ness and the cap help, was more of a positive to release rather than to keep him

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[QUOTE=That Guy]that means we get 2$mill in cap space back to pay for our rookie 1st rounders... and we're responsible for the 1.5$ thats left (so we bought a 6th round draft pick for 1.5$mill)...[/QUOTE]

We save $2.1M in salary and we incur a deadcap charge for Gardner in 2005. My sheets say $660K but it may be closer to $1.2M. Don't think it's as high as $1.5M though.

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My understanding is that the best we can hope for is a 6th. To get a 5th would mean he makes the pro bowl. A 6th means that he starts over 70% of their games or plays in a high % of their offensive plays. Prediction: 6th rounder. Now, we must get all draft picks signed and in camp.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Yeah Matty, getting a 7th rounder for a former 1st round pick really changes my opinion of the front office. You are sooo right, I should shut my mouth, whatever was I thinking? This is nothing to high five each other about, its a sad day really as a first round pick hits the door for next to nothing. Gardner has real talent and he'll do well in Carolina.[/QUOTE]

So much "real talent" that after being on the market for about 6 months the best offer the Redskins got was a sixth round pick.

And by implication, does the whole "former 1st round pick" analysis mean that the Ealges have a worse front office than us because they let Fraudie Mitchell go outright and received nothing in return? I'm not sure I see the point there. It's not like where you are drafted is a guarantee that you'll be worth your salt in the NFL. That's like saying Joey Harrington is worth a higher pick in a trade than Tom Brady because Harrington was a former first rounder and Brady was a 7th. Sorry, I just don't see the connection.

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I am amazed that he passed the physical. The Doctors in Carolina must not be paying attention if they didn't realize that his hands are attached at the ends of the wrong arms. Having your left hand at the end of your right arm and vice versa enables one to make amazing catches half of the time and explains why one would drop the ball when it hits one in the hands the rest of the time. Think about it, would you be able to catch a football with the backs of both of your hands? i doubt it...but you could make some amazing grabs when the ball was in some awkward position relative to your body. This condition is medically described as "assbackward manipulitis"

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]So much "real talent" that after being on the market for about 6 months the best offer the Redskins got was a sixth round pick.

And by implication, does the whole "former 1st round pick" analysis mean that the Ealges have a worse front office than us because they let Fraudie Mitchell go outright and received nothing in return? I'm not sure I see the point there. It's not like where you are drafted is a guarantee that you'll be worth your salt in the NFL. That's like saying Joey Harrington is worth a higher pick in a trade than Tom Brady because Harrington was a former first rounder and Brady was a 7th. Sorry, I just don't see the connection.[/QUOTE]


By the logic of a player being worth more just because he was a first rounder, then that means Heath Shuler was priceless! LOL

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]By the logic of a player being worth more just because he was a first rounder, then that means Heath Shuler was priceless! LOL[/QUOTE]

:lol:

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm going to agree with the first part of your statement. I mean Dyson comes in for us and we all expect him to contribute, but how much do we REALLY think he will? I mean at least we aren't saying he is the missing piece to our Super Bowl team.[/QUOTE]

Because you don't have a missing piece; you have a bunch of PIECES? The Panthers on the other hand are primed for a return; just two seasons removed from the big show.
We practically have the same core players, we were decimated by injuries last year at the beginning of the 2004 which short-circuited our season early but we rebounded late in the end and fell one game short of the playoffs.
This off-season the Panthers FO hasnt basically through FA and the draft filled every weakness we had comming into the season.
This team is more complete on paper than the one that made it the Superbowl in 2003. One of the few question-marks we had after loosing Moose was depth at the WR position.
Which has been answered now with the aquisition of Gardner he also brings a big, physical presence to complement speedster Smith and Colbert we lacked after Moose's departure.
We just need him to be Moose-like no-ones asking him to put up Moose numbers we have Steve Smith back for that. He's just another big target for Jake and another weapon for the Panthers SUPERBOWL run.

Thanks, for another one guys!!!

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brady went in the 6th i believe...

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[QUOTE=PantherXtreme]Because you don't have a missing piece; you have a bunch of PIECES? The Panthers on the other hand are primed for a return; just two seasons removed from the big show.
We practically have the same core players, we were decimated by injuries last year at the beginning of the 2004 which short-circuited our season early but we rebounded late in the end and fell one game short of the playoffs.
This off-season the Panthers FO hasnt basically through FA and the draft filled every weakness we had comming into the season.
This team is more complete on paper than the one that made it the Superbowl in 2003. One of the few question-marks we had after loosing Moose was depth at the WR position.
Which has been answered now with the aquisition of Gardner he also brings a big, physical presence to complement speedster Smith and Colbert we lacked after Moose's departure.
We just need him to be Moose-like no-ones asking him to put up Moose numbers we have Steve Smith back for that. He's just another big target for Jake and another weapon for the Panthers SUPERBOWL run.

Thanks, for another one guys!!![/QUOTE]

Don't thank us just yet. If anything thank Steve Spurrier for getting one good year out of Stephen Davis, and having him eat up cap room for the next couple of years. I do think you have an awesome playmaker in Steve Smith and another on Defense with Julius Peppers, but the one thing you dont have is Joe Gibbs. As a matter of fact, the one coach that Fox admires most is Joe Gibbs, (Im quoting SI after you guys went to the SB) but he is not as good as the man himself.

By the way... you shouldn't wander too far, we may have more to discuss after the season... I'm thinking I will be thanking you as your team once again rummages through our discards and tries to make treasure from our trash. Oh and how's that Jessie Armstead thing working out for ya?

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[b][u][font=Arial Black][size=4][color=black]SUCKERS!!! :laughing2 [/color][/size][/font][/u][/b]

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[QUOTE=PantherXtreme]The Panthers on the other hand are primed for a return; just two seasons removed from the big show.

Thanks, for another one guys!!![/QUOTE]


You are welcome, PantherXtreme!

But what will your reaction be when Mr. 50/50 does his usual thing?

Be thankful that you are only renting his "hands-of-stone" for one year!

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What's the saying, one man's trash is another man's treasure?

Let's see if Gardner turns into a treasure... somehow I doubt it but good luck with good old 50/50 Panthers fans!

Just wait til you see how he earned that nickname.

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True... I'm just hoping he wasn't a late bloomer. :mad:

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]Don't thank us just yet. If anything thank Steve Spurrier for getting one good year out of Stephen Davis, and having him eat up cap room for the next couple of years. I do think you have an awesome playmaker in Steve Smith and another on Defense with Julius Peppers, but the one thing you dont have is Joe Gibbs. As a matter of fact, the one coach that Fox admires most is Joe Gibbs, (Im quoting SI after you guys went to the SB) but he is not as good as the man himself.

By the way... you shouldn't wander too far, we may have more to discuss after the season... I'm thinking I will be thanking you as your team once again rummages through our discards and tries to make treasure from our trash. Oh and how's that Jessie Armstead thing working out for ya?[/QUOTE]


I'm pretty sure one of the most admired coaches ever in the NFL was Vince Lombardi, but regaurdless of the fact do you think he would be an effective caoch TODAY; in this salary capped era, modern day athletes, multiple complexed offensive and defensive schemes?

Joe Gibbs was a great coach 80's early 90's era. But the jury is still out how effective of a coach he is new millenium.

In present day coach Fox is one of the best in the bussiness he took over a celler-dwelling franchise and turned it into a Superbowl contender in just 2 short seasons.

And another thing why do you guys call Gardner 50/50 is it because from yaer to year he didnt know what offense he would play in? or what coach he would play for? or what QB he would have from year to year or week to week?
Thats enough to uninspire any player.

I'm pretty sure comming from team Titantic and joining a tight ran ship like Carolina he will produce just find, we have a way of getting the most out of out players just ask Stephen Davis.

And by the way how is that Canidate thing working out?

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I seem to remember Davis doing pretty well with the Skins...

LOL

Sorry I couldn't help myself. It's hard to take people seriously who don't really have a storied history of a team. Just like Baltimore... *sigh*

And no matter what QB was throwing to him or what coach was coaching him, at the end of the day, a dropped pass is a dropped pass.

Maybe he can get some of that stuff from The Replacements.

"I look like I just jacked off an elephant!"

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[QUOTE=PantherXtreme]I'm pretty sure one of the most admired coaches ever in the NFL was Vince Lombardi, but regaurdless of the fact do you think he would be an effective caoch TODAY; in this salary capped era, modern day athletes, multiple complexed offensive and defensive schemes?

Joe Gibbs was a great coach 80's early 90's era. But the jury is still out how effective of a coach he is new millenium.

In present day coach Fox is one of the best in the bussiness he took over a celler-dwelling franchise and turned it into a Superbowl contender in just 2 short seasons.

And another thing why do you guys call Gardner 50/50 is it because from yaer to year he didnt know what offense he would play in? or what coach he would play for? or what QB he would have from year to year or week to week?
Thats enough to uninspire any player.

I'm pretty sure comming from team Titantic and joining a tight ran ship like Carolina he will produce just find, we have a way of getting the most out of out players just ask Stephen Davis.

And by the way how is that Canidate thing working out?[/QUOTE]

It's his teammates that came up with the nickname 50/50, Bruce Smith to be specific, and it's because he tends to drop a few here and there. You'll see for yourself before too long.

As for Canidate, who cares?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I seem to remember Davis doing pretty well with the Skins...

LOL

Sorry I couldn't help myself. It's hard to take people seriously who don't really have a storied history of a team. Just like Baltimore... *sigh*

And no matter what QB was throwing to him or what coach was coaching him, at the end of the day, a dropped pass is a dropped pass.

Maybe he can get some of that stuff from The Replacements.

"I look like I just jacked off an elephant!"[/QUOTE]

Now do you really think comparing the Redskins and Panthers history is fair?

The Panthers have only been around 10 years or so... The Redskins have been here for decades.

But in the Panthers short brief 10 seasons they have been to 2 NFC championships and 1 Superbowl, In that same time span what have the Redskins done?

"Maybe he can get some of that stuff from the Replacments."

Hmm or maybe he can get a great accurate QB in his prime instead of some washed up vets or sitting duck rookie throwing him the ball!

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How many SB trophies do the Panthers have?

I thought so.

Next topic.

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After this season we will have a brand new shiny one.. and you guys will have a couple of old dusty ones.

By the way how many trophies did the Redskins have after their 1st ten year in the league?

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Scoreboard.

Nobody cares how, when or why.

Skins 3
Carolina 0

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It's not often that I'm going to reprimand our founder, it's like kicking God out of Sunday School, but Matty what are you doing buddy?

Don't waste your time with a Panthers fan. Save it for a real rival, like the Cowboys, Eagles, or Giants. I mean really...the Panthers? It's not worth it Matty.

By the way, how much is Stephen "No Knees" Davis costing the Panthers to sit on the sidelines?

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You're right, it's not worth it.

Comparing the Panthers to the Redskins... who are one of the NFL's most storied franchises, is a joke.

There's not even an argument, like I said it's the Skins 3, Panthers 0, end of discussion.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]

Don't waste your time with a Panthers fan. Save it for a real rival, like the Cowboys, Eagles, or Giants. I mean really...the Panthers? It's not worth it Matty.


Haha...lol Rivals? More like whipping boys for the rest of the weak NFC East.

Last question though Skins fan after yet another 5-11 season this year how much longer do you guys think ole Joe boy will stick around just wondering?

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[QUOTE=PantherXtreme][QUOTE=TAFKAS]

Don't waste your time with a Panthers fan. Save it for a real rival, like the Cowboys, Eagles, or Giants. I mean really...the Panthers? It's not worth it Matty.


Haha...lol Rivals? More like whipping boys for the rest of the weak NFC East.

Last question though Skins fan after yet another 5-11 season this year how much longer do you guys think ole Joe boy will stick around just wondering?[/QUOTE]



first of all we were 6-10 last year so get your facts straight cock-smoker.second of all the panthers havent won shit so come back when they do

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His/Her screen name is PantherXtreme. Sounds like a titty bar. Is that how you spell titty?

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[QUOTE=PantherXtreme]Hmm or maybe he can get a great accurate QB in his prime instead of some washed up vets or sitting duck rookie throwing him the ball![/QUOTE]



don't mean to burst your bubble but jake delhome(sp) having ONE overacheiving year hardly qualifies him as being a "great, accurate, qb in his prime".

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[QUOTE=PantherXtreme]Hmm or maybe he can get a [B]great accurate QB [/B] in his prime instead of some washed up vets or sitting duck rookie throwing him the ball![/QUOTE]

Please dear God in heaven, don't tell me u are talking about delhome. he's had a decent what, year and 1/2, and you are calling him a [I]great accurate QB[/I] ? And what does Trung Candidate have to do with the Panthers picking through the Skins leftovers? Now maybe if it had been He Hate Me or something then maybe there could be an argument. And I can't remember any former Panther players coming here, but I can definitely remember a bunch of ineffective players headed down there like Rod Gardner, Sean Gilbert, Jessie Armstead, and Adrian Murrel. And while here, I loved to watch Davis play, but he wasn't worth that contract and it was painful to watch him choke @ a key point of the game or pull up hurt every few games at times. U and other panther fans may hope and wish for your first SB trophy this year, but until u atleast get that first one, don't try to talk smack about a team that in it's storied history has been in 5 SB with 3 SB wins and 6 Championship games during the NFL era. And for comparisions sake, in their first ten years, the skins had 2 championships and were in the championship game 5 times.

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Not only that, you can't really argue the facts. Skins 3, Panthers 0.

It's good to see someone with such passion for a team that hasn't existed very long though. Very inspiring. Like when a butterfly lands on a retarded kid's head...

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It's good to see someone with such passion for a team that hasn't existed very long though. Very inspiring. Like when a butterfly lands on a retarded kid's head...[/QUOTE]

GODDAMN DUDE :laughing2

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Aren't the Skins something like 6-1 against the Panthers?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Not only that, you can't really argue the facts. Skins 3, Panthers 0.

It's good to see someone with such passion for a team that hasn't existed very long though. Very inspiring. Like when a butterfly lands on a retarded kid's head...[/QUOTE]


:lol: :laughing2 :laughing-

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Washington Redskins = franchise is just a mess. No clear plan is being pursued, when the gain a foot they lose a mile. They lost Pierce and Smoot, drafted a QB when they just had one a couple of years in the making, no continuity, made a pointless trade Cole for Moss. Nothing makes clear sense is going on with this team. Only Gregg Williams keeps this team from being a total disaster. Joe Gibbs thus far has not been able to mold himself into todays NFL.
Iron Eagle 04

lol,.......Classic and totally true


And you guys question the Panthers moves....

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Well actually we just questioned the Gardner trade, but you have at it...

And the above statements you made are exactly why you don't frequent this or any other Redskins site and pretty much READ NEWS. I'm not going to elaborate because I don't feel it is owed, but there is a pretty clear plan of what is being laid out here.

Would you have felt inclined to come in and say we had a GREAT offseason by signing Randy Moss and drafting Mike Williams?

It's obvious that big splashes haven't worked, so we figured we should try low-key. I don't have any criticism for the Panthers, just criticism for people who honestly have taken it upon themselves to JOIN another team's site just to state unfounded claims when they obviously don't know anything about the information in question.

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Oh NO!!!! WE LOST PIERCE AND SMOOT!!! 2 OF OUR BEST BACKUPS EVER!!! I don't understand a bit why we traded Coles either. I mean he's contributing so much to the jets right now. Dude you're right. I don't know why I've been wasting my entire life following a team who has only brought me 3 SB trophies and some of the best football in the history of the game.

That's it... I'm crossin over...if the rest of you guys know what's good for you you will too. Lets follow a team bound to repeat...




the one and fifteen season a few years back. 50/50... makin it happen.

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Wow, I still see you lurking. You ass must REALLY be chapped.

Here's something to make you feel better:

[img]http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8005/260187910000079yk.jpg[/img]

Notice the "No more tears." That should help.

And Matty, you know I normally don't do this. I just was in a feisty mood. My comments are done.

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I wonder if it's taken him 20 minutes to read the last 2 posts, or think of something to say...

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Do the conjugal visits to Rae Carruth's slammer keep you from watching a lot of football games?....oh that's right, I went there...Ba-Zing!!