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It seems like some of us will never be convinced that Ramsey is capable. I find it interesting that when guys like McNabb or even the infallable, beloved Tom Brady throws an int. on their first series of the game, it's more acceptable. But oh, if Ramsey throws one he needs to "settle down," he's not "comfortable in the pocket". Can he improve on some of his mechanics, sure!! Is he a good starting NFL quarterback capable of leading the Skins to 11-5 this year - absolutely!

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[QUOTE=12thMan]It seems like some of us will never be convinced that Ramsey is capable. I find it interesting that when guys like McNabb or even the infallable, beloved Tom Brady throws an int. on their first series of the game, it's more acceptable. But oh, if Ramsey throws one he needs to "settle down," he's not "comfortable in the pocket". Can he improve on some of his mechanics, sure!! Is he a good starting NFL quarterback capable of leading the Skins to 11-5 this year - absolutely![/QUOTE]

I was never sold on Ramsey as a starting QB in the NFL. A practice squad AB at best. He lacks major talent in the pocket and has had several seasons to correct his technical mistakes that have stunted his growth as a QB. I have given up on cheering for a particular QB over another. I watched the preseason game and felt like Ramsey was reliving his rookie season with the same ole mistakes.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]I was never sold on Ramsey as a starting QB in the NFL. A practice squad AB at best. He lacks major talent in the pocket and has had several seasons to correct his technical mistakes that have stunted his growth as a QB. I have given up on cheering for a particular QB over another. I watched the preseason game and felt like Ramsey was reliving his rookie season with the same ole mistakes.[/QUOTE]
You are CRAZY!!

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i feel it is just a lack of confidence, not in himself, in his protection. How can you blaim him, he is the toughest QB to go in play after play getting smacked, and only stopping when it was impossible to go on. He is still afraid of D-linemen in my opinion. But PR after looking at replays of the last game and the amzing job the Dirtbags did he now knows that he is the only untouchable man out there because of that line. If he shows more confidence in that line that is deserving of his confidence there will be no stopping him.

We will see tommorow but if he LOOKS like he did last week we will be hearing what we heard this week x10
i have no number predictions because that is overrated in the preseason but i do see him getting 4-5 first downs on a TD drive and that would make my week. If he doesn't i don't care if we keep his ass in there till after the game is over until he does. With that line i am not to worried about injuries so if Gibbs does keep him in as long as last wek i will be ok, but i hope for no injuries on both teams, knock knock knock

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]I was never sold on Ramsey as a starting QB in the NFL. A practice squad AB at best. He lacks major talent in the pocket and has had several seasons to correct his technical mistakes that have stunted his growth as a QB. I have given up on cheering for a particular QB over another. I watched the preseason game and felt like Ramsey was reliving his rookie season with the same ole mistakes.[/QUOTE]

You can't be serious!? Reliving his rookie season?? So, according to your analysis, there are probably 5 to 10 "NFL material" QBs starting right now. By the way, he's had about 23 starts in about 4 years....that hardly counts for several seasons.

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Yup, by my count that's only about a season and a half of game experience.

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Practice squad QB??

This thread is officially out of control.

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I wasn't able to see the game all the way down here in TX so I just had play by play on sportsline I think. But Brunell's stats were a bit better and more comforting to look at. Probably cause he was palying second team.

For someone who watched the game....how was Ramsey?

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from gamecenter, it looked like he really moved the ball. its just his lapses aren't the incomplete kind, they're the INT kind. especially that one in the endzone. couldnt see it see in nyc, was it a deflection? under pressure? or right in the numbers of the defender?

he had some big completions we hadnt seen all last season, details please!

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was lucky enough to catch the end of the game here in socal... didn't see ramsey, but brunell looked solid. again, he's going against backups- but the backups aren't affecting the zip on his passes. he had a good completion percentage, even with three straight drops by receivers... if we argue that he was playing ultra-scrubs on defense at the end of the game, we have to remember that he was passing to our ultra-scrubs on offense. if nemo hadn't fumbled at the end, brunell probably ties it up within the last two minutes of the game.

it was great to see my fellow high schooler K-Wash have a good game in his homecoming... he's going to make a push for no. 2 wr in cincy this year.

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Well, first off I think we saw some really good things from our offense tonight. Namely Patten and Moss (especially Patten). They got good separation from their defenders, held on to the ball and showed some nice footwork along the sidelines. And these weren't little dink and dunk screen passes. They really opened things up and Ramsey had some pretty throws, hitting the receivers right where only they could catch the ball.

However, Ramsey wasted some nice passes by following it up with dumb decisions. Especially that interception in the end zone. He forced something that wasn't there, instead of just throwing it away and getting ready for the next play.

Brunell looked sharp, really sharp.

I'm a Brunell fan and I'm really happy to see that he's doing well. But I want him to be a great backup. It will be nice to know we have a solid, reliable backup but this should be Ramsey's team. But he has to start taking control of that QB position, making the right decisions, showing some consistency, etc.

Rock looked good today also, by the way.

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who was dropping Brunell's passes in the 2nd half?

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But what is up with the defense? Looks like the Bengals were able to just drive down the field at will on a few drives. I just checked the game stats, couldn't watch it. Is Williams just taking it easy? Injuries a big issue? Or does it look like we may have dropped off from last year? Or, it's preseason, who gives a f**k. Thoughts.

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i think both the running back's looked good today. As for Ramsey, what i saw today looked good (except for the int's). I think we accomplished some longer downfield plays that stretched the defense a bit. But those interceptions hurt. We had another red zone interception that could've been avoided. One of the things that did kill us in this game was Nemo's fumble on our last drive. I think if he didn't fumble we could've scored a touchdown. Fumbles have killed us these past two games, in Carolina that one right next to the goalline, and the one on one of our drives by Jonathan Combs, and now this one. We really have to learn how to keep the football in our hands. I think now that we've partially learned the deep throws, all Ramsey needs to do is cut down on the stupid plays, the interceptions, and he could be a good quarterback.

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some scrub receivers with no shot of making the team were dropping Brunell's passes.

The defense is a minor concern I think. I still don't know who, if anyone, has stepped up to be our starting MLB. Carlos Rogers looks out of shape. He should be ok, just needs to get in football shape. Shawn and Sean looked great, as did Marcus Washington.

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i have no worries about our first string defense, just carlos rogers needs to get in shape. Our second and third string should be performing better, though.

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Ramsey was 9 for 18, 190 yards, 1 TD, 2 ints.

The good news is that Ramsey hit a few long passes and was able to move the ball, and the TD to Thrash was threading the needle through two defenders. The long pass to Patten was thrown perfectly.

The bad news is that every good throw was overshadowed by incredibly stupid throws. Both picks were not bad routes by the intended receivers, just outright ridiculous throws.

It looked like Ramsey was so eager to hit the big play, he overlooked a lot of the underneath stuff and intermediate throws. And like someone else pointed out, on those he missed, they weren't just incompletions, they were big turnovers. There was only one completion to a tight end -- Robert Royal, and none to a running back, except one that bounced right out of Ladell Betts hands on the second series of the game. It would have been a third down conversion, but Betts flat out dropped it. Not Ramsey's fault at all.

These are just initial reactions at approximately 12:20 am, and I'm really tired. I need to sleep on it and assess my thoughts tomorrow morning after several cups of coffee.

I will say that we need to see Brunell against the Pittsburgh starters just to see what he can do. I would say this even if Ramsey was flawless. You've got to get a good idea of Brunell, as he looked sharp again, with real zip on his throws and good poise in the pocket -- sidestepping and sliding away from the rush, along with a long completion after a good scramble. It reminded me of the Brunell of old. Really did.

For those who could not watch or hear the game, Joe Theismann, Jeff Bostic, and Charles Mann all agreed that there's a QB controversy brewing. Looking at Ramsey's play, you cannot conclude otherwise.

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[QUOTE=manicd]But what is up with the defense? Looks like the Bengals were able to just drive down the field at will on a few drives. I just checked the game stats, couldn't watch it. Is Williams just taking it easy? Injuries a big issue? Or does it look like we may have dropped off from last year? Or, it's preseason, who gives a f**k. Thoughts.[/QUOTE]


The starters did fine, but the Bengals were working on Carlos Rogers big time. On three consecutive plays, Carson Palmer attacked. The first completion went for a first down, the next was a sure TD that Houshmendazah (don't even ask me how to spell it) flat out dropped. On the very next play, they went at Rogers again, this time with a different receiver, #87 (whoever that is) and scored on a 45 yard TD pass.

They brutalized Rogers on three straight plays. Rogers was completely winded, and the Bengals knew it.

Might as well get those out of his system now, but yes, he needs to get into shape.

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all in all, it looks like we had more 20+yd passes in this preseason game then we had all last season. that's considerable progress any way you look at it.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven] On the very next play, they went at Rogers again, this time with a different receiver, #87 (whoever that is) and scored on a 45 yard TD pass.
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87 is Kelley Washington- I was really good friends with his brother at Sherando H.S. (Stephens City, VA) while he was a frosh. He went directly to MLB minor leagues after graduating- didn't do too well. Became a stud at Tennessee (the year after Donte Stallworth left).

Drafted with the first pick of the third round by the Bengals the same year Carson Palmer was taken (neck injury concerns dropped KW's draft status). I know i'm sounding like i'm hyping a friend up, but i really believe he takes over the #2 WR spot from Houshmandzadeh this year.

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before last season houshmanzadeh wasn't a third string wide receiver. i hope our second and third team defense gets considerably better, with the way injuries are taking over our first team we might need them to step up during the regular season. rogers needs to get in shape if he expects to start this season. i liked all the downfield plays we saw by our first team offense this year, and i seriously hope that ramsey stops throwing the interceptions. he can be a good quarterback, and i really don't like all the boobirds at the stadium today. it's like, whenever he throws a td, they cheer for him and sing his praises, and when he throws an interception they desert him and boo him. i wish all the fans would give him their undenying support, because there is no doubt he is our starter this season. i want him to be a pro bowl quarterback.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop]87 is Kelley Washington- I was really good friends with his brother at Sherando H.S. (Stephens City, VA) while he was a frosh. He went directly to MLB minor leagues after graduating- didn't do too well. Became a stud at Tennessee (the year after Donte Stallworth left).

Drafted with the first pick of the third round by the Bengals the same year Carson Palmer was taken (neck injury concerns dropped KW's draft status). I know i'm sounding like i'm hyping a friend up, but i really believe he takes over the #2 WR spot from Houshmandzadeh this year.[/QUOTE]



Did you see Kelley Washington's dance? Is that the gayest dance you've ever seen or what? My nephew said he practiced that stupid dance all throughout his football camp this season.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]Did you see Kelley Washington's dance? Is that the gayest dance you've ever seen or what? My nephew said he practiced that stupid dance all throughout his football camp this season.[/QUOTE]

I guess we should keep him out of the end zone if you don't want to see it... and the dance got him an extra few seconds on sportscenter. He came in to the league cocky because he believes you have to be that way to be a WR superstar... not saying I agree with it, but i'm not the one playing on Sundays.

While we'd like more Marvin Harrison-types, the wide receiver superstar that receives the most marketing attention are the prima donnas. Like it or not, that's the way it is today. If you don't like it, complain to Nike or Adidas. Don't buy their product. But I guarantee you if the Marvin Harrison persona becomes more marketable than Randy Moss', you'll see a complete flip flop of personalities.

I think most of this is just a business thing with Kelley. When he was in H.S., he was the quietest kid ever. Even when he was tearing up the local headlines, he was always humble (I remember him selling christmas trees in 40 degree weather with our band because his brother was a member).

You didn't hear about his mouth until the year before the NFL draft: CBS did a 5 minute segment on him right before the Tenn-Fla game. ESPN magazine wrote a five page article with a two page spread naming him "The Future." He's a bright kid- so considering these facts, I'd say all of this is just one long-term business plan. He dropped to the third round in the draft due to questions about his neck injuries (that could potentially have ended his career). His hype was justified.

As long as he's not breaking the law and he's keeps working hard to become a great player on the field, he'll stand to make a sizeable amount of dollars outside of his contract. If Kelley totally flops after these antics, he's the one who stands to lose the most (namely reputation)- he'll deserve as much negative press as he gets by that point. Nonetheless, It's a risk I believe he'll win. His natural, athletic ability is matched by his work ethic- he never partied in college, instead he stayed in his dorm and cranked out a few hundred pushups on Friday nights. The Bengals are ranting over his preseason so far. It just took him a few seasons to get acclimated to the league. Sorry for the rant, but he's an old friend- before his name gets too muddied, I've got to stick up for him just like any friend would.

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WTF ITVNETOP?

I just said it was the gayest dance I'd ever seen! I didn't request a lecture on accepting prima donna WR behavior. Off the field he's a nice guy, but that dance HAS to go! Are you his agent or something?

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]WTF ITVNETOP?

I just said it was the gayest dance I'd ever seen! I didn't request a lecture on accepting prima donna WR behavior. Off the field he's a nice guy, but that dance HAS to go! Are you his agent or something?[/QUOTE]

no doubt socio... i know you didn't specifically call him gay, but if the word is in the same sentence concerning my homeboy i still gotta call it out y'know?

anyway, did you study sociology? that was one of my undergrad majors...

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]Did you see Kelley Washington's dance? Is that the gayest dance you've ever seen or what? My nephew said he practiced that stupid dance all throughout his football camp this season.[/QUOTE]

I just saw it, that is the gayest dance ever...especially in that one uniform. I was half expecting a team mate to come up and go "way ta go girlfriend!"

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[QUOTE=itvnetop]I guess we should keep him out of the end zone if you don't want to see it... and the dance got him an extra few seconds on sportscenter. He came in to the league cocky because he believes you have to be that way to be a WR superstar... not saying I agree with it, but i'm not the one playing on Sundays.

While we'd like more Marvin Harrison-types, the wide receiver superstar that receives the most marketing attention are the prima donnas. Like it or not, that's the way it is today. If you don't like it, complain to Nike or Adidas. Don't buy their product. But I guarantee you if the Marvin Harrison persona becomes more marketable than Randy Moss', you'll see a complete flip flop of personalities.

I think most of this is just a business thing with Kelley. When he was in H.S., he was the quietest kid ever. Even when he was tearing up the local headlines, he was always humble (I remember him selling christmas trees in 40 degree weather with our band because his brother was a member).

You didn't hear about his mouth until the year before the NFL draft: CBS did a 5 minute segment on him right before the Tenn-Fla game. ESPN magazine wrote a five page article with a two page spread naming him "The Future." He's a bright kid- so considering these facts, I'd say all of this is just one long-term business plan. He dropped to the third round in the draft due to questions about his neck injuries (that could potentially have ended his career). His hype was justified.

As long as he's not breaking the law and he's keeps working hard to become a great player on the field, he'll stand to make a sizeable amount of dollars outside of his contract. If Kelley totally flops after these antics, he's the one who stands to lose the most (namely reputation)- he'll deserve as much negative press as he gets by that point. Nonetheless, It's a risk I believe he'll win. His natural, athletic ability is matched by his work ethic- he never partied in college, instead he stayed in his dorm and cranked out a few hundred pushups on Friday nights. The Bengals are ranting over his preseason so far. It just took him a few seasons to get acclimated to the league. Sorry for the rant, but he's an old friend- before his name gets too muddied, I've got to stick up for him just like any friend would.[/QUOTE]

man, no one cares about it besides you :P and personally i think his hype isn't justified until he proves he's worth something.