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With LA in the lineup we'd probably would have given up more 30+ yard TD runs. So what are you guys saying? I thought Marcus Washington was shook up on one play and was anxious to see if Coach Williams was going to sub LA. The LBs 'starting' right now haven't missed much, if any time.

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[QUOTE=TAYLOR21][size=6][size=3]man right know im[/size] [/size][size=3]starting to hate gregg williams because he hasnt even gaven lavar a shot.Man im sorry to say i love the redskins but damn our 3 linebackers suck at pass rushing the qb its like not even having the 3,rushing the qb.What im saying is that dam gregg williams give lavar a shot and if hes not the same the first game give him fucking time damn hes not gonna 2 be bac to normal the 1rst game it takes time.On top of the linebackers rushing the qb why cant we stop that one [size=6]BIG[/size] running play that always kills us the past 2 games.Gregg Williams i give u respect because of what u did to our defense but stop being the one guy who wants to prove to peaple u dont need lavar and just put him in there dam!!!!!!!!![/size][/QUOTE]

Thankyou for saying that now i can speak how i really feel its childish and vindictive... yeah i am starting to hate the man..mark my words if we lose lavar i want him to go to philly dallas or the giants and watch him eat us alive

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[QUOTE=LadyT]This whole think with LA is really sickening. The defense is struggling right now and there's no way you can argue that he wouldn't help the team if he were allowed to play. We aren't getting to the QB and we aren't causing fumbles. And the coaches want us to believe that LA can't contribute positively to either problem?

I really am beginning to think this whole thing has become somewhat of an ego struggle between LA and the defensive coaches. Shame on them both, but more shame on the coaches because they're supposed to be making decisions in the team's best interests and, in this case, I definitely do not believe that they are.

It's a disgrace to see LA sitting on the bench at every game. And I'm tired of hearing the lame excuses that we get each week. Do they really think the fans are so ignorant as to believe the **** that they are feeding us as to why he isn't playing?[/QUOTE]
well said!!!!!

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[QUOTE=LadyT]...It's a disgrace to see LA sitting on the bench at every game. And I'm tired of hearing the lame excuses that we get each week. Do they really think the fans are so ignorant as to believe the **** that they are feeding us as to why he isn't playing?[/QUOTE]Thanks for keeping it clean. You're a such a lady.

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Let's not act like Arrington is an innocent bystander here, I think both sides share the blame in this, check out the [url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=8534"]Arrington article[/url] in the WP today, it really sums things up nicely and makes valid points for both sides involved.

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Lavar on the bench is really know surprise, he was the most overated player in football, except now everyone knows it.

Lavar doesn't know why he's not playing? Just like he doesn't know how to follow direction when he's on the field.

I find it laughable that everyone will follow Gibbs blindly regardless of how irrational some of his decisions may look, yet question over and over again why Lavar isn't on the field, he's an overhyped media darling who's football instinkts are horrible, he's not a LB who can overpower a TE or OL on a pass rush ala LT, so how much difference will he really make? The LB's we have now can get to the QB if their given a clean shot at the QB.

Bottom line take a look at the track record's of the people who all concur on Lavar, William's, Lewis, and Paterno, they all have said the same thing's about Lavar, and I am sure they were being kind in their assesments for public consumption.

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Arrington's "instinkts" are about as bad as your spelling, LOL

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[QUOTE=offiss]Bottom line take a look at the track record's of the people who all concur on Lavar, William's, Lewis, and Paterno, they all have said the same thing's about Lavar, and I am sure they were being kind in their assesments for public consumption.[/QUOTE]
They may have that opinion but he started every game for all those coaches didnt he

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Pure athleticism will get you by in college and most of the time in the pros. It's not enough to get by with Williams obviously.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Lavar on the bench is really know surprise, he was the most overated player in football, except now everyone knows it.

Lavar doesn't know why he's not playing? Just like he doesn't know how to follow direction when he's on the field.

I find it laughable that everyone will follow Gibbs blindly regardless of how irrational some of his decisions may look, yet question over and over again why Lavar isn't on the field, he's an overhyped media darling who's football instinkts are horrible, he's not a LB who can overpower a TE or OL on a pass rush ala LT, so how much difference will he really make? The LB's we have now can get to the QB if their given a clean shot at the QB.

Bottom line take a look at the track record's of the people who all concur on Lavar, William's, Lewis, and Paterno, they all have said the same thing's about Lavar, and I am sure they were being kind in their assesments for public consumption.[/QUOTE]

I agree, until Lavar can show that he can shut his mouth and follow the instructions of the coaches, then he'll play again.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Arrington's "instinkts" are about as bad as your spelling, LOL[/QUOTE]


If he was only as bad as my spelling we wouldn't be having this conversation!

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So, are you objecting to the opinion I expressed or are you just "offended" by my use of "****"? BTW - what word did you think I was alluding to? If you assumed it was a word that rhymes with "luck" you assumed incorrectly.


But, that's not really the point. I'd welcome your thoughts on the opinions I actually expressed.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]So, are you objecting to the opinion I expressed or are you just "offended" by my use of "****"? BTW - what word did you think I was alluding to? If you assumed it was a word that rhymes with "luck" you assumed incorrectly.[/QUOTE] I wasn't being sarcastic.

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[QUOTE=LadyT] And I'm tired of hearing the lame excuses that we get each week. Do they really think the fans are so ignorant as to believe the **** that they are feeding us as to why he isn't playing?[/QUOTE]


Well, if the stupid media would stop asking the same questions about Lavar week in and week out, you wouldn't have to hear the "excuses."

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[QUOTE=EXoffender]I wasn't being sarcastic.[/QUOTE]

OK, truce.

I haven't read this thread all the way through so, what are your thoughts about keeping LA on the bench or letting him play?

If you had asked me a year ago if I thought we Skins fans would ever even be asking this question, I'd have said you were crazy.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]OK, truce.

I haven't read this thread all the way through so, what are your thoughts about keeping LA on the bench or letting him play?

If you had asked me a year ago if I thought we Skins fans would ever even be asking this question, I'd have said you were crazy.[/QUOTE]

Well, if anyone had said the Brunell would be our QB and put up numbers like he has been....we would've put that person in the nuthouse....

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Well, if the stupid media would stop asking the same questions about Lavar week in and week out, you wouldn't have to hear the "excuses."[/QUOTE]

Until they (and we) get an answer that makes sense or bears some resemblence to the truth, the questions will keep coming. It's not as if Lavar is some two-bit player or a throw-away from another team. He's one of the most physical players we have and that type of play is sorely needed right now on the Defense.

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I'm sorry, but Lavar isn't going to fix the problem with injuries in our secondary. I would like to see Lavar playing just to settle the argument, but before we go saying the coaches are lying to us, I suggest we get a pass to attend practices and team meetings, etc....

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[QUOTE=LadyT]OK, truce.

I haven't read this thread all the way through so, what are your thoughts about keeping LA on the bench or letting him play?

If you had asked me a year ago if I thought we Skins fans would ever even be asking this question, I'd have said you were crazy.[/QUOTE]If this is not about the money, the front office is crazy. I'll comment more in a new post.

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Coaches know more than us....everyone wanted Gibbs head when he benched Ramsey. We don't know whats going on behind closed doors so we shouldn't be saying we know more than the coaches....we also shouldn't be saying that they don't know how to coach.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]I'm sorry, but Lavar isn't going to fix the problem with injuries in our secondary. I would like to see Lavar playing just to settle the argument, but before we go saying the coaches are lying to us, I suggest we get a pass to attend practices and team meetings, etc....[/QUOTE]

First, we were being told that he wasn't healed enough to play even though he said he was physically ready. Then, the story changed to how he would play when the right "packages" were called. Now, they've abandoned that sorry excuse too.

So, tell me, what are the fans supposed to believe except that they've come up with excuse after excuse, none of which made any sense.

Today's WP article said it all and there was blame to be laid on both sides. Even several currnet players (who for good reason asked to be anonymously quoted) said LA needs to be given the chance to play again.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender]If this is not about the money, the front office is crazy. I'll comment more in a new post.[/QUOTE]

You hinted at something that I've wondered about too, much as I hate to think it. I do believe that LA hurt himself immensely with the contract dispute he started last year. I think the bad feelings have definitely carried over and may be influencing a bit of what is happening now, but I really don't know for sure. I was mad at LA last year too - felt he brought a frivolous grievance against the Skins for a mistake that he and his agent made when they signed the contract extension.

But, I don't believe that should play any part in whether or not the man gets to play and contribute to the team, especially with the "D" having problems in getting to the QB and in forcing turnovers.

Whatever the reason, I just can't believe that LA's abilities have so declined that he is legitimately the 5th or 6th string linebacker now. That is laughable.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]First, we were being told that he wasn't healed enough to play even though he said he was physically ready. Then, the story changed to how he would play when the right "packages" were called. Now, they've abandoned that sorry excuse too.

So, tell me, what are the fans supposed to believe except that they've come up with excuse after excuse, none of which made any sense.

Today's WP article said it all and there was blame to be laid on both sides. Even several currnet players (who for good reason asked to be anonymously quoted) said LA needs to be given the chance to play again.[/QUOTE]



If fans are supposed to believe what the media says, I feel sorry for those fans. For now, I'll be wiser to trust the coaches over what "he said she said." If Lavar plays, he plays, if he doesn't, exactly what do you expect to do about it?

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[QUOTE=LadyT]
But, I don't believe that should play any part in whether or not the man gets to play and contribute to the team, especially with the "D" having problems in getting to the QB and in forcing turnovers.

Whatever the reason, I just can't believe that LA's abilities have so declined that he is legitimately the 5th or 6th string linebacker now. That is laughable.[/QUOTE]
That is my whole point about this arrington thing ..they act like he some scrub with no talent..he has more physical skills than anyone on that ..team and desire and fire.... he loves the game and loves winning... holding grudges is so petty and non professional... thats why i dislike williams and if u cant see this defense falling week by week you arent watching the same game...these linebackers are getting pushed around ..Lavar wont get pushed round...are we there to win or prove points??? AND HOW MANY REASONS HAVE WE HEARD I DONT BELEIVE ANY OF THEM

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Arrington might not get pushed around, he'll just over-persue and get caught out of position like he does from time to time. The biggest thing that people aren't seeing is the fact that Arrington isn't a victim - heck he's played the holding grudges card quite a bit everytime something didn't go his way.

The coaches are trying to get him to be more disciplined in his play. Are we willing to have Lavar be out of position 70 to 80% of the time to get one or two big plays? I would like to see Lavar being an overall well rounded player. I would like to see Lavar out there playing, to settle this foolish argument once and for all!

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]If fans are supposed to believe what the media says, I feel sorry for those fans. For now, I'll be wiser to trust the coaches over what "he said she said." If Lavar plays, he plays, if he doesn't, exactly what do you expect to do about it?[/QUOTE]

What a silly comment. Of course, as a fan, there is absolutely nothing I can do about decisions the coaches are making. That doesn't mean I can't be damned frustrated at what is happening.

I would love GW to look every fan in the face and say with a straight face that Lavar can no longer contribute meaningfully to the team and that's why he isn't playing. Or else to look us in the face and say "I truly believe Lavar is the 5th or 6th best LB on the team and that's why he's not playing." But he can't and won't say either thing, because neither one is the truth.

I just want this team to win and I think Lavar can help them to do so. The "D" is struggling and his been for the past 2 weeks. With each game, they seem to struggle more and more. They need another physical player that can force things to happen - just like S. Taylor. And Lavar is the ONLY one on the "D", other than ST, who can do that. To keep him on the bench virtually the entire game, every game, is CRAZY.

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I have tried to reserve my feelings about the Arrington-Redskins situation, but two defeats in the same way has forced me to express my opinion. First of all, we need Lavar Arrington. 12 million dollars is to be paid next year. Who do the Redskins think will pick up that tab? The actions of the staff is similar to what use to happen to actors who pissed off higher authorities in the Hollywood. They called it "white listing" which basically means you don't work if they can help it. Unfortunately, we the devoted fans are caught up in this fiascal which will continue so long as our defense gives up big plays against mediocre teams. Some how we will see Lavar make a statement on the field. Hopefully soon.

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Ty for finally speaking out... Hold your horses people are going to be coming out of the woodwork now... its crazy beyond belief to see LaVar on the side lines while those people start ahead of him....

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[QUOTE=LadyT]What a silly comment. Of course, as a fan, there is absolutely nothing I can do about decisions the coaches are making. That doesn't mean I can't be damned frustrated at what is happening. [/Quote]

I personally think this whole discussion of Lavar Arrington is silly and a waste of time.

[Quote=LadyT]
I would love GW to look every fan in the face and say with a straight face that Lavar can no longer contribute meaningfully to the team and that's why he isn't playing. Or else to look us in the face and say "I truly believe Lavar is the 5th or 6th best LB on the team and that's why he's not playing." But he can't and won't say either thing, because neither one is the truth.[/Quote]

All I ask, is prove they're lying. I just believe it's quite silly to accuse the coaches of lying when they're around the team 100% of the time, we just see what we see on Sundays.

[Quote=LadyT]
I just want this team to win and I think Lavar can help them to do so. The "D" is struggling and his been for the past 2 weeks. With each game, they seem to struggle more and more. They need another physical player that can force things to happen - just like S. Taylor. And Lavar is the ONLY one on the "D", other than ST, who can do that. To keep him on the bench virtually the entire game, every game, is CRAZY.[/QUOTE]

My question is, where were you to complain when we were 3-0? Or even when we were 3-1? Will you be on here complaining if get on another 3 or 4 game winning streak, or if we finish the season at 10-6 and make the playoffs? What do you have to say about us being 3-2? Do you not believe that is an improvement over the 1-4 we were at last year? Do you not feel good knowing Mark Brunell is playing pretty well for us? Do you not believe our team is heading in a better direction than what it appeared like last year?

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It's a great time to be a conspiracy theorist.

Did LaVar really land on the moon?

Was LaVar really the lone gunmen?

Lordy!

:frusty:

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]I personally think this whole discussion of Lavar Arrington is silly and a waste of time.

Some on this board become almost hysterical anytime anyone dares to question what the coaches are doing. Why is it silly and a waste of time to suggest that LA could help this "D" play better? I would agree that this discussion would be a waste of time if the team were still winning, but they've lost 2 in a row and the "D" is struggling. The "O" is much improved over last year and it's actually a pleasure to watch them on the field. But, the "D" is not playing as well as before. Why? You could probably come up with a dozen reasons, but I believe two of them are - failure to get to the QB and failure to cause turnovers. These are two areas where LA could definitely be a positive influence.

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How can anyone criticize Greg Williams after the crappy defenses we have had to endure for the past 13 years? The skins finally have a playoff caliber defense thanks to Greg Williams and now he is going under the bus becasue he;s not playing Lavar...rediculous.

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Could LaVar help with turnovers and pressure?

Sure he could.

But, can you LaVar supporters also entertain the notion that he could also contribute to the 'D' giving up big plays? With his reluctance to play within the system, perhaps Williams thinks he's more of a liability to a 'D' that is already being stretched thin because of the injuries in the secondary.

I'm guessing Williams doesn't see LaVar as part of the solution right now and thinks of him as only being part of the problem.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Could LaVar help with turnovers and pressure?

Sure he could.

But, can you LaVar supporters also entertain the notion that he could also contribute to the 'D' giving up big plays? With his reluctance to play within the system, perhaps Williams thinks he's more of a liability to a 'D' that is already being stretched thin because of the injuries in the secondary.

I'm guessing Williams doesn't see LaVar as part of the solution right now and thinks of him as only being part of the problem.[/QUOTE]

I think Matty hit the nail on the head....he's more of a liability than a solution.

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[QUOTE=LadyT][QUOTE=skinsguy]I personally think this whole discussion of Lavar Arrington is silly and a waste of time.

Some on this board become almost hysterical anytime anyone dares to question what the coaches are doing. Why is it silly and a waste of time to suggest that LA could help this "D" play better? I would agree that this discussion would be a waste of time if the team were still winning, but they've lost 2 in a row and the "D" is struggling. The "O" is much improved over last year and it's actually a pleasure to watch them on the field. But, the "D" is not playing as well as before. Why? You could probably come up with a dozen reasons, but I believe two of them are - failure to get to the QB and failure to cause turnovers. These are two areas where LA could definitely be a positive influence.[/QUOTE]

Questioning the coaching staff is one thing. We all do that from time to time. Calling them liars, as you have done so, it something completely different. That calls for hardcore evidence to prove such an accusation.

I'm just curious why I haven't seen you take part in any discussion when we're winning?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]It's a great time to be a conspiracy theorist.

Did LaVar really land on the moon?

Was LaVar really the lone gunmen?

Lordy!

:frusty:[/QUOTE]
omg too funny...

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[QUOTE=LadyT][QUOTE=skinsguy]I personally think this whole discussion of Lavar Arrington is silly and a waste of time.

Some on this board become almost hysterical anytime anyone dares to question what the coaches are doing. Why is it silly and a waste of time to suggest that LA could help this "D" play better? I would agree that this discussion would be a waste of time if the team were still winning, but they've lost 2 in a row and the "D" is struggling. The "O" is much improved over last year and it's actually a pleasure to watch them on the field. But, the "D" is not playing as well as before. Why? You could probably come up with a dozen reasons, but I believe two of them are - failure to get to the QB and failure to cause turnovers. These are two areas where LA could definitely be a positive influence.[/QUOTE]
excellent point if we question god himself ...coach gibbs or jesus mr williams we arent fans... i love the skins but wrong is wrong

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm guessing Williams doesn't see LaVar as part of the solution right now and thinks of him as only being part of the problem.[/QUOTE]
Part of the problem???? he hasnt even played......

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Part of the problem???? he hasnt even played......[/QUOTE]

The fact that he doesn't even have to for Williams to know this is telling.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Could LaVar help with turnovers and pressure?

Sure he could.

But, can you LaVar supporters also entertain the notion that he could also contribute to the 'D' giving up big plays? With his reluctance to play within the system, perhaps Williams thinks he's more of a liability to a 'D' that is already being stretched thin because of the injuries in the secondary.

I'm guessing Williams doesn't see LaVar as part of the solution right now and thinks of him as only being part of the problem.[/QUOTE]


You hear alot about overpersuit, but Sean Taylor is playing and I've seen him cost us 14 points this year overpersuing and getting duped out of position.

That shit happens to everyone, its not like we only sucked before williams and gibbs because Lavar gave up big plays.

I watched NFL replay of our game against the Seahawks a couple of years ago, and all Hasslebeck could talk about to his line was to "keep Lavar Arrington away from me." We won that game. The freaking QB was scared, and he's a good QB. If you can break someone's confidence behind center, you break the offense (except in the bronco's case).

Lavar overruns sometimes, but not anymore than anyone else, and his instincts are usually correct. I can understand if WILLIAMS gave him a shot and he lost a game for us, but that shit hasnt happened yet.