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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Corner is the easiest transition from college to the pros??

Who said that?

It's usually thought that RB is the easiest, corner may not be as difficult as QB, which is the toughest position in all of sports, but corner is not an easy transition and certainly not the easiest.[/QUOTE]

I've heard it said many times that it's not a difficult transition to the NFL, so I'll concede that it may not be the easiest, but how come none of the rest of my post was addressed? You were one of the main people who called me out for supporting Ramsey. You backed Joe Gibbs 100% then, how come you're not going after people for saying that Rogers should start now?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Corner is the easiest transition from college to the pros??

Who said that?

It's usually thought that RB is the easiest, corner may not be as difficult as QB, which is the toughest position in all of sports, but corner is not an easy transition and certainly not the easiest.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I've heard Mel Kiper make the comment that a cover corner has one of the easiest transitions from college to the NFL because they can play the position exactly the same way they played it in college, unless the scheme is entirely different. Corner is definitely one of the toughest positions, but the position itself is the same as it is in college. You're basically put out on a island by yourself, covering the best receivers on the field.

How is RB the easiest? A running back coming out of college has to learn an entirely new playbook, new blocking schemes, and new passing routes. In fact, the only person that has to know more than the tailback is the quarterback.

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First off I don't have blind faith in the coaches, never have and never will. I've questioned some decisions, but in the end I trust they're making the best decisions possible, and the most informed decisions since they're the ones with the fingers directly on the pulse of the team. I support what they do even if I may not agree. That's not blind faith.

Second, I think the argument that Rogers should be starting isn't even worth getting in to, since Rogers himself hasn't looked all that great.

The only problem I have with people questioning coaching decisions is when they accuse the coaches of making decisions based on some sort of personal bias or when they question the knowledge of the coaches. Logical and rational arguments are fine in my book.

If Rogers was worthy of starting, Williams would have him in there. There, you happy now? ;)

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]Actually, I've heard Mel Kiper make the comment that a cover corner has one of the easiest transitions from college to the NFL because they can play the position exactly the same way they played it in college, unless the scheme is entirely different. Corner is definitely one of the toughest positions, but the position itself is the same as it is in college. You're basically put out on a island by yourself, covering the best receivers on the field.

How is RB the easiest? A running back coming out of college has to learn an entirely new playbook, new blocking schemes, and new passing routes. In fact, the only person that has to know more than the tailback is the quarterback.[/QUOTE]

How is RB easy?

How many rookie RBs do you see come in the league and tear it up? There's usually a couple each year that make a splash.

Rookie RBs can often be counted on to contribute right away and at a high level.

Adjusting to corner in the NFL is difficult simply because of the speed of the WRs and the speed of the game in general.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]How many rookie RBs do you see come in the league and tear it up? There's usually a couple each year that make a splash.[/QUOTE]

That's partly because of the visibility of the position. Of course you're going to hear about it, and see highlights if a rookie tailback is tearing it up. Corners in general, don't get a lot of publicity unless they're scoring touchdowns. If a corner is doing his job well, you'll never see highlights on Sportcenter.

And yes, there are always a handful of RB's that make a splash, but almost all of them hit the rookie wall. LaDanian Tomlinson did it his rookie year. Cadillac Williams did it this year. If a corner comes into the league playing sound football, he can generally keep it up unless he gets injured.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]You're going to catch hell for this post, but I completely agree. He also got torched by the #3 wideout yesterday too. I'm willing to let that one slide for the time being since it's the first time I've seen him get beat deep, but at the very least, he plays very soft coverage. I'm sick of seeing him give a 12 yard cushion on 3rd and 7. He is a much better tackler than Walt Harris, but they seem to be about equal on coverage, so I guess it's a toss up as to who should start.

And Champ was only three picks higher than Rogers.:doh:[/QUOTE]

This is for both of you.........if you have no pass rush it's hard to cover someone. Not one sack on Chris Simms........ what a joke........

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanforlife]This is for both of you.........if you have no pass rush it's hard to cover someone. Not one sack on Chris Simms........ what a joke........[/QUOTE]

Then that same arguement should be applied to why Walt Harris doesn't suck.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]Then that same arguement should be applied to why Walt Harris doesn't suck.[/QUOTE]


Walt Harris is probably our worst tackler and he's getting burnt with and without a rush.

He's probably the only Redskin on my shit list right now. But this is only my opinion....

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If by the 10th game of the season the coaching staff doesn't think you're ready to start, and Walt Harris is considered better than you, I'd say that's not a good sign.

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Like someone said let's also remember Rogers hasn't been 100% and missed time in camp as well.

He'll be fine, let's give him time, writing him off halfway through his rookie season is a little silly.

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanforlife]This is for both of you.........if you have no pass rush it's hard to cover someone. Not one sack on Chris Simms........ what a joke........[/QUOTE]
didnt we have a pass rush last season what happened ..i have been saying since the beginning of the season i saw trouble coming with this defense we have NO RUSH....u give any QB that much time he will pick you apart .... Willaims had those players last year ..what happened what changed .... the buck stops with williams he kept walt harris ... i just think this coaching staff is too old school on keep veterans but what good are they if the young bucks can run right past them... we can only hope that sean taylor gets back ...the season isnt lost but i feel the whole team needs to play with more urgency .and take more gambles what do they have to lose cause if we dont make the playoffs i doubt gibbs will stay around...

please remove this
 

please delete moderators this extra post by me i tried to edit didnt work

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]please delete moderators[/QUOTE]

delete what? this thread, why?

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]the league is tougher that when champ entered and he got the tutledge of D.Green and Deon Sanders...We should hire Darrell as a consultant for the young corners[/QUOTE]
Quote of the YEAR!!!!!!!!!! :biggthump

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]delete what? this thread, why?[/QUOTE]
I think he meant delete Comcast for saying Gibbs wont be around if we dont make play-offs:mad:

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I personally think our D is TOO aggresive!!!! All these big plays we are brigging 5th or 6th man....:frusty: We actually have an O this year greg, easy boy, let our offense win 1 for us 4 once!!!!

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Honestly, we did that against the Cowboys and it worked out pretty well. If our offense can constantly put up a large number of points, I like the D we played against Dallas.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Its what, week 10, and our 1st round pick hasn't done enough to replace Walt Harris as the starting corner. Is anyone else worried about this? I mean, I know Champ was a higher pick, but he started almost immediately. Shouldn't Rogers be contributing to this team by now? In light of the fact that Priouleau (I never spell that right) and Harris were getting burned like a dime bag at a Grateful Dead Concert, isn't now the time when our No. 1 pick steps up? So far, he's done nothing to justify such a high pick and Ive been really disappointed with his lack of development.[/QUOTE]
jees we need to stop blitzing 75% of the time, where have i heard this before.........rogers plays his ass off.......

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[QUOTE=wheeler]jees we need to stop blitzing 75% of the time, where have i heard this before.........rogers plays his ass off.......[/QUOTE]
And he can TACKLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]I personally think our D is TOO aggresive!!!! All these big plays we are brigging 5th or 6th man....:frusty: We actually have an O this year greg, easy boy, let our offense win 1 for us 4 once!!!![/QUOTE]


rogers plays his ass off.....stop blitzing 75%of the time:coach:

ive heard this somewhere....bowen's almost back to form we''ll be ok

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]Quote of the YEAR!!!!!!!!!! :biggthump[/QUOTE]
hell yes.......

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[QUOTE=wheeler]rogers plays his ass off.....stop blitzing 75%of the time:coach:

ive heard this somewhere....bowen's almost back to form we''ll be ok[/QUOTE]
Bowen?.....I thought he went to a west coast team. OH WAIT....Hes just still running on a bad angle for a tackle!!!!!!!!!:Smoker:

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]I think he meant delete Comcast for saying Gibbs wont be around if we dont make play-offs:mad:[/QUOTE]
I hope he stays i just dont think he will stay if we dont even tho he's making progress

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Let's not get down on Carlos Rogers. Some people must be suffering from short term memory because earlier in the year, Rogers has made some good plays. He gets burned for one play and now he is a bust. No way. Every cornerback gets burned at some time. Its especially tough when your front four can't generate any pressure on their own and you continually have to blitz linebackers and defensive backs to generate pressure. Having Sean Taylor injured doesn't help either.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]If by the 10th game of the season the coaching staff doesn't think you're ready to start, and Walt Harris is considered better than you, I'd say that's not a good sign.[/QUOTE]

He hit the nail and thats what I 've been tryign to say all along if a top 10 pick with no pro bowl competition in his position isn't sarting so far this season that tells you something is wrong.

The coaches don't trust him even more if you have a guy like Harris who's getting beat up and still yo udon0t start your top pick something is wrong.

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Again, Rogers missed a lot of valuable time this summer with an injury, and he hasn't been 100% for most of the season.

Nothing is wrong, he just hasn't earned his time... yet.

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Thas Bull crap he missed time thsi summer yes so did Spears for us he didn't play untill the last game of preseason because of a knee injury and he has started at DE the last 3 games. He missed more time than Rogers did. Thats no excuse he has been trainning for 10 weeks now plus the time he had before the season.

It's easy he hasn't shown he's capable of handeling the position thats it.

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d-line is probably easier to transition...i mean u dont have to run to keep up with recievers and learn coverages and shit...

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Ok you win cowcrap fan, we should just cut Rogers now since it's obvious he's not going to improve with time.

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[url]http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_4_34/ai_n6257764[/url]

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS][url="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_4_34/ai_n6257764"]http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_4_34/ai_n6257764[/url][/QUOTE]

Interesting read, but that article is about the toughest position to play, not the toughest transition. I agree that corner is one of the tougher positions to play, but if you're a top ten pick, you should already know how to cover a receiver.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]Interesting read, but that article is about the toughest position to play, not the toughest transition. I agree that corner is one of the tougher positions to play, but if you're a top ten pick, you should already know how to cover a receiver.[/QUOTE]

good point. I'll have to go back to the lab and look for another article

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still shows that comparing spears to rogers doesnt work. think about it. what does a DE do? he rushes the passer and stops the run. very few designed plays for them. CB has to learn all the defensive coverages, which says it all