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[quote=Drift Reality;421705]I'm really sorry to be a hater but the problem with the Redskins is that our owner and his monkey boy might as well be participants in this forum because I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to give Chad Johnson a 15 million dollar signing bonus and lock him up for the next five years (or two - until they renegotiate his contract).

We currently have over 13 million in salary for 2008 locked up in 3 wide receivers - even if Lloyd is cut, the cap hit will be substantial and we are still talking about a big chunk of our cap being devoted to wide receivers.

No offense to all the people who are getting a hard-on for #85 but are you insane?

I don't understand why we are talking about Briggs and Chad Johnson when year after year, the teams that are winning super bowls are following such a different personnel model than the Redskins.

We are talking about teams that draft well, sign free agents for below market value, cultivate their own talent.

Why are we still talking about signing two guys who we are going to pay above market for - and in the process, sacrifice depth at other - more vital - positions.

Personally, I would rather use the finances to build depth on our lines and focus on the draft. Let someone else blow up their cap to sign this over-priced free agent.[/quote]

THANK YOU. See, what we should do is let Blades play the weak side until Rocky comes back. The guy was a tackling machine in college. Put his ass out there and let him learn. You need to have some starters that make 500k to balance out the team. Unless you're the Pats, and you already have most of the pieces in place, chasing high priced FA's is such a waste of time. Look at SF last year? They signed a bunch of guys and they still sucked. You can't go around trying to buy a team. Nate Clemons got big $. They signed a guy from NE and Balt, can't remember their names. Did it help them? Nope. IT DOESN'T WORK. You don't see Pittsburgh chasing around these guys. That's cause they draft and have guys waiting in the pipeline. When is our FO going to learn?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421697]True good point. Plus the Dolphins are coming off a 1-15 season and are definitely in rebuilding mode. That takes away some of the appeal especially if the money is close.[/QUOTE]

I think the Dolphins' first priority is going to be Asante Samuel

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;421709]IMO LB is a pretty big need area for us and he is the best out there. As Matty said, Rocky's knees are questionable at best. Washington isn't getting any younger and has had recent injuries, Fletcher is solid but not a young player and I'm not sure if any changes Blanche will implement to the defense will fit him. Blades is unproven.

If we could bring in Briggs, it upgrades us immediately and we don't lose anything other than $$$/cap space. This is a much more prudent signing than CJ would be.[/quote]

Sorry but I'm throwing Blades out there and let K. Campbell spell him. Why did we draft him? To play teams and be a back-up his whole career?

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NE went out and spent money on FA's last year. Yeah they came up one game short but I wouldn't be too upset with 18 wins.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421700]Rocky had bad knees even before this latest injury. I'm not sure he can ever be counted on.

Blades might be a nice find but Briggs is easily the better player right now.

Briggs and the Skins had a deal in place before the trade fell through. I'm sure there is still interest from both sides. Briggs wants out, Chicago has indicated they aren't interested in bringing him back, do the math.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that beyond Rocky McIntosh the Redskins are having some serious concerns about Marcus Washington's health. So it's not just a matter of plugging in Blades.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;421709]IMO LB is a pretty big need area for us and he is the best out there. As Matty said, Rocky's knees are questionable at best. Washington isn't getting any younger and has had recent injuries, Fletcher is solid but not a young player and I'm not sure if any changes Blanche will implement to the defense will fit him. Blades is unproven.

If we could bring in Briggs, it upgrades us immediately and we don't lose anything other than $$$/cap space. This is a much more prudent signing than CJ would be.[/quote]

I agree, but I still hope the price isn't as high as was reported last year - 20mil bonus I believe.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;421709]IMO LB is a pretty big need area for us and he is the best out there. As Matty said, Rocky's knees are questionable at best. Washington isn't getting any younger and has had recent injuries, Fletcher is solid but not a young player and I'm not sure if any changes [B]Blanche will implement to the defense will fit him[/B]. Blades is unproven.

If we could bring in Briggs, it upgrades us immediately and we don't lose anything other than $$$/cap space. This is a much more prudent signing than CJ would be.[/QUOTE]

We've got a coach from St. Olaf, now "Blanche" is our defensive coordinator. I'm telling you Bea Arthur is next! :)

I'm torn on who's the better choice for us. Briggs or Johnson. I was hoping to get Dansby anyway

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[quote=SmootSmack;421721]I'm torn on who's the better choice for us. Briggs or Johnson. I was hoping to get Dansby anyway[/quote]We definately have stronger depth at receiver, so I'd have to say Lance Briggs. As time goes on, it's looking like LB is becoming an immediate issue, and one that wouldn't be solved by the 2008 draft.

It does look like the CB market is drying up fast. We might be able to chase Trufant, but it looks like Nnamdi is going to be tagged (maybe Al Davis can still accomplish simple procedural tasks), and Samuel's price tag is going to be so ridiculous that only a handful of teams could even fit him in under the cap.

Back to LB though, there is certainly a spot for Briggs on this team. He can play the vastly important WLB position, and Rocky can make the switch to the less athleticly dependant SLB, where he can succeed Marcus.

Of course if we lose both Marcus and Rocky after 2009, that doesn't do a whole lot of good.

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[quote=SmootSmack;421721]We've got a coach from St. Olaf, now "Blanche" is our defensive coordinator. I'm telling you Bea Arthur is next! :)

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Am I the only one who finds these references a little disturbing?

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[quote=Drift Reality;421705]I'm really sorry to be a hater but the problem with the Redskins is that our owner and his monkey boy might as well be participants in this forum because I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to give Chad Johnson a 15 million dollar signing bonus and lock him up for the next five years (or two - until they renegotiate his contract).

We currently have over 13 million in salary for 2008 locked up in 3 wide receivers - even if Lloyd is cut, the cap hit will be substantial and we are still talking about a big chunk of our cap being devoted to wide receivers.

No offense to all the people who are getting a hard-on for #85 but are you insane?

I don't understand why we are talking about Briggs and Chad Johnson when year after year, the teams that are winning super bowls are following such a different personnel model than the Redskins.

We are talking about teams that draft well, sign free agents for below market value, cultivate their own talent.

Why are we still talking about signing two guys who we are going to pay above market for - and in the process, sacrifice depth at other - more vital - positions.

Personally, I would rather use the finances to build depth on our lines and focus on the draft. Let someone else blow up their cap to sign this over-priced free agent.[/quote]

I agree that we should be building through the draft (and that we don't need Briggs) but at a position like WR, I really feel this is a trade worth making. I've been struggling with this lately and I keep coming back to the cowboys getting TO and the lions drafting flop after flop at the WR position. The cowboys took a huge gamble on bringing TO to town and it has put their offense over the top. Just look at them without him over the last few games of this season, they were an average offense at best and with him they are 2nd best offense the NFL.

We're mediocore as is on the offensive side of the ball and I really feel if we could have CJ open up the vertical game and take double teams off of Santana it would open up things for Moss, ARE in the slot and cooley over the middle (and of course the run game).

Depending on what we have to give up, I think this is a risk worth taking. Even if we were to draft a WR, that's a huge risk when we could draft a dependable linemen. This would obviously be an expensive trade for us but at least we know what we're getting in return (which we didn't really with B. Lloyd) , which is a bonafide game changing consistent WR for the next 5 years.

That's my vote. HAIL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;421707]Hell I think it's the Bengals that need to worry about getting fair value for him. He's definitely one of the top WRs in the game and has 6 straight seasons of 1000+.[/quote]
I agree with you that Moss isn't a true # 1, but Seattle doesn't and hasn't had a true #1 and their offensive production has been pretty good (2007 - top third, 2006 - mid third, 2005 - top third). In the WCO a True #1 is not a necessity (Seattle, Green Bay, Eagles). Obviously we'd love to have a player of CJ's caliber, but do we NEED him. I think we really have more urgent needs that could be addressed at a more reasonable price. Also having to give up the high draft picks to get him makes me say no.

In addition to Briggs, I would target Wahle from the Panthers and/or Shelton from Miami to help the OL. If we can get Wahle, Kendall can move to back-up. If Shelton comes in (probably a long shot) we can release Wade, have insurance if Jansen is injured again, and give Heyer a bit more time to develop without being "thrown to the wolves" again (although he did well this year). At WR I think we would be better off going after Bryant Johnson of the Cards or DJ Hackett. They will have a smaller contract than CJ and both are in their mid-20s and could develop into a #1.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;421721]We've got a coach from St. Olaf, now "Blanche" is our defensive coordinator. I'm telling you Bea Arthur is next! :)

I'm torn on who's the better choice for us. Briggs or Johnson. I was hoping to get Dansby anyway[/QUOTE]

Dude, Bea Arthur could be our answer at defensive end. That chick is huge.

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Back to Briggs, he's not going to be 28 until midseason, so signing him makes some sense.

But how much more sense does it make to sign him now than last year when we would have had to trade the pick that became Laron Landry?

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[quote=SmootSmack;421721]We've got a coach from St. Olaf, now "Blanche" is our defensive coordinator. I'm telling you Bea Arthur is next! :)

I'm torn on who's the better choice for us. Briggs or Johnson. I was hoping to get Dansby anyway[/quote]
Dansby would be good, but I don't think the Cards will let him get away....but it is the Cards.

I need to stop calling Blache, "Blanche" too, my bad. :cheeky-sm

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;421722]We definately have stronger depth at receiver, so I'd have to say Lance Briggs. As time goes on, it's looking like LB is becoming an immediate issue, and one that wouldn't be solved by the 2008 draft.

It does look like the CB market is drying up fast. We might be able to chase Trufant, but it looks like Nnamdi is going to be tagged (maybe Al Davis can still accomplish simple procedural tasks), and Samuel's price tag is going to be so ridiculous that only a handful of teams could even fit him in under the cap.

Back to LB though, there is certainly a spot for Briggs on this team. He can play the vastly important WLB position, and Rocky can make the switch to the less athleticly dependant SLB, where he can succeed Marcus.

Of course if we lose both Marcus and Rocky after 2009, that doesn't do a whole lot of good.[/QUOTE]

Andre Dyson might be released, but he's not big-time. I think there are some very good CBs coming out this year, and would prefer to draft one. The only possible exception being Nnamdi.