Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;458545]I think the bench press is one way of measuring how much upper body strength a prospect has. Moreover, upper body strength is of obvious importance to defensive linemen.

However, sometimes draft prospects underperform due to lingering injuries, or because they are just having a bad day. Moreover, some defensive ends who don't bench 225 pounds 35 times manage to do quite well against the run and the pass. Consider the below snippet about Terrell Suggs.

[I][B]SUGGS WORKOUT HURTS DRAFT STOCK[/B][/I]

[I]Suggs was a dominating defensive end in the college ranks, but at 6-foot-3 3/8 and 257 pounds, which he measured in at during his workout, he probably doesn't have the size to get it done week after week in the NFL. [/I]

[I]Strength was also not on Suggs' side, as he managed just 19 reps during bench press drills. In the 40-yard dash, his times were a very pedestrian 4.84 and 4.88. He had a 33.5" vertical jump, 9-foot-0 broad jump, 32 7/8" arm length, 7.46 three-cone drill and 4.37 and 4.47 short shuttle. Whether he's just a poor workout player or what not, teams are definitely going to be forced to think twice come draft day and this workout probably pushed him out of the top five selections.[/I][/quote]
Agree with you on the premise. My points to Drift are specifically about Campbell, who at 280-290 lbs turned in the worst bench numbers at the combine for DL, looked soft, and there were also motiviation/motor questions on him.

Also, upper body strength is not as critical at RDE or OLB (Suggs positions) as it is for LDE.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

Gabe Watson also dropped to the fourth round because of poor/questionable workouts in 2006, and he's become the first round type of talent people thought he would be.

Of course, one year later, fellow Wolverine Alan Branch did the same thing, fell to the 2nd round, and his rookie year was less than promising.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

I found a video about Taylor talking about his new number. There's also a pretty entertaining one of the fans reacting to Taylor being a Redskin. Check them out on comcastsportsnet.com. Go skins!

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[QUOTE=DIRTEE;458544]Drift Reality - Please tell me you are joking. Its apparent that everyone on the warpath knows about football, and I'm friends with a few NFL players and they workout all the time.

But to answer your questions (someone please turn this into a poll); I have no clue what Reggie White benched (God bless him) and I can only imagine that Lawrence Taylor benched about 100 kilos of crack rock and squatted about 100 prostitutes. Nate Newton even had a nice offseason workout.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty funny stuff.

My main point is that people shouldn't get so caught up with metrics like bench reps. and clocked 40 times in my opinion.

I'm not saying that good players don't work out or are not strong. That would be a ridiculous statement.

Anyway, let's just drop it and we'll see what happens when they strap 'em on.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

Drift Reality - I was just joking with you. I totally understood where you were going with your statement.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=Paintrain;458387]That would make this trade a colossal bust if we improved by only 5 sacks.. You'd be [I]happy[/I] with that?[/quote]Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was [I]half[/I]-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a [I]pro-bowler [/I]didn't you hear?

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[url=http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/1/28/739396/could-jason-taylor-end-up]Could Jason Taylor end up back in Miami? - The Phinsider[/url]

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

So long JT...

That 8.5 mil could be better spent in soooo many ways.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=The Goat;523778]So long JT...

That 8.5 mil could be better spent in soooo many ways.[/quote]

Goats right 8.5 does nice things. But so does a healthy JT

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;523771]Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was [I]half[/I]-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a [I]pro-bowler [/I]didn't you hear?[/quote]

mmmmm hindsight

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=SkinzzFan;457901]I hate to say this, because I really like him, but Philip Daniels could be the Skins MVP this year. I already liked our D-line, but with the addition of J. Taylor the pass rush could be downright scary! I think a 2nd rounder is a bit high, but let's face it the Dolphins had all the leverage here. Carter and Taylor coming off the ends just made the back 7 that much tougher!!

HAIL!![/quote]

Boy was I wrong! I do believe a healthy Jason Taylor would have had a bigger impact. I hope he returns next season. I hate to give up those two picks and only get the half season he played in return!

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;523771]Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was [I]half[/I]-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a [I]pro-bowler [/I]didn't you hear?[/quote]

Sweet vindication for you.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=SkinzzFan;523859]Boy was I wrong! I do believe a healthy Jason Taylor would have had a bigger impact. I hope he returns next season. I hate to give up those two picks and only get the half season he played in return![/quote]

Yeah i have to own up too... i had visions of sugar plums dancing in my head and Jason "Xerxes" Taylor dominating QBs while he wore the B & G.

Going forward I just don't see him fitting well now that we aren't facing a last minute decision. Taylor isn't real effective @ left end but probably not a huge upgrade over AC on the other side (in our 4-3 system). Like i said elsewhere as much as i respect Daniels i mean c'mon, 36 yrs of age and it's not like he was always healthy prior to '08. If cutting JT clean allows us to grab a value left end, someone who can stop the run and get a little more pressure than Evans, i'm ok w/ that.

... heard it suggested Taylor would play OLB (replacing Marcus btw things sound). F'ing no ok. Just f'ing no. Tackling, run-stopping is not his strong suit.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=Defensewins;458028]I would have preferred to draft a young DE but there were none worthy when it was our turn to pick. I have two concerns with this pick up:
1) While this move greatly improves our pass rush, we now do not have a stout run stopping DE. Carter and Taylor are not very strong against power running teams, they are barely over 250 and will get pushed around from time to time. We have basically two very similar DE's and the other teams will run right at them.
2) [B]Another old guy. Taylor has been dancing on TV for the last several months and might not be in the best shape of his life. Injury is a concern. [/B]

While I share in the excitement of a potentially strong pass rush. But if you can not stop the run you are in for a long season. You have to be able to run the ball and stop the run, if you can not do that you are playing for next year.[/quote]

I was actually not that far off.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.