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[quote=SmootSmack;470793]To be clear, Lieberman hasn't officially crossed party lines. he's (I believe) an Independent Democrat. He votes with the Democrats most of the time, and sits as part of the Democratic Senate caucus.[/quote]

And they allow him to maintain his committee chairs so that they can maintain their majority. So it's OK to [B]use [/B]him for that but otherwise he sucks to them.

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[quote=Mattyk72;470787]It's another way of saying if you're not with us you're against us, or if you're against the war you're against the troops. You know, the typical uber-patriotic BS they try to push.[/quote]

:doh:

Or do you possibly think they are referring to protecting this country from terrorism. Like how Fred Thompson pointed out how McCain voted for more troops to help the effort in winning even though it was a less than popular decision. Or how about taking care of the people instead of greatly increasing taxes? Again, like the speech pointed out, when you decide to greatly tax businesses, who do you think will actually pay for that? Or how about the fact that Obama is more interested in being popular around the world than being an actual proud american. (note my sig) Obama is in this for himself, not for the benefit of the country. (I'm sure many of you would love to debate that opinion, but we all know, what I am saying is going in one ear and out the other. This site has proven that when it comes to democrats, it doesn't matter what is said, you are sheep for your candidate. Fact is, the last 3 democratic candidates have been piss poor at best, when exactly are the Dems going to throw up a good candidate?)

How anyone can not be moved by Fred Thompson's speech is beyond me. That was a great speech that had people crying in their seats. One of the best speeches in recent memory at a RNC. 5 1/2 years he was in a POW camp with broken bones, breaking ribs, pure torture, yet he didn't give them ANY info...he didn't break AT ALL, including refusing to go home because other people had been there longer than he has. I seriously doubt that Obama has that kind of strength and character. Obama gets upset when you talk about his kids (even though he showboats them any time possible) but the second McCain selects Palin, they are quick to attack her pregnant daughter. This is a vice presidential candidate here...it's fair play I suppose, but don't bitch and moan about your ability to father your kids then turn around and attack a VP candidate's daughter.

ps- country first could also mean not allowing a 3rd trimester abortion to die in a linen closet with no medical attention like Obama would prefer.

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[quote=saden1;470777]I must admit Obama's coronation was spectacular, the only thing missing was the "Mission Accomplished" banner.

I'm looking forward to the debates.[/quote]
:duel:

Good stuff.

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[quote=jsarno;470808]:doh:

Or do you possibly think they are referring to protecting this country from terrorism. Like how Fred Thompson pointed out how McCain voted for more troops to help the effort in winning even though it was a less than popular decision. Or how about taking care of the people instead of greatly increasing taxes? Again, like the speech pointed out, when you decide to greatly tax businesses, who do you think will actually pay for that? Or how about the fact that Obama is more interested in being popular around the world than being an actual proud american. (note my sig) Obama is in this for himself, not for the benefit of the country. (I'm sure many of you would love to debate that opinion, but we all know, what I am saying is going in one ear and out the other. This site has proven that when it comes to democrats, it doesn't matter what is said, you are sheep for your candidate. Fact is, the last 3 democratic candidates have been piss poor at best, when exactly are the Dems going to throw up a good candidate?)

How anyone can not be moved by Fred Thompson's speech is beyond me. That was a great speech that had people crying in their seats. One of the best speeches in recent memory at a RNC. 5 1/2 years he was in a POW camp with broken bones, breaking ribs, pure torture, yet he didn't give them ANY info...he didn't break AT ALL, including refusing to go home because other people had been there longer than he has. I seriously doubt that Obama has that kind of strength and character. Obama gets upset when you talk about his kids (even though he showboats them any time possible) but the second McCain selects Palin, they are quick to attack her pregnant daughter. This is a vice presidential candidate here...it's fair play I suppose, but don't bitch and moan about your ability to father your kids then turn around and attack a VP candidate's daughter.

ps- country first could also mean not allowing a 3rd trimester abortion to die in a linen closet with no medical attention like Obama would prefer.[/quote]

I think that there are a lot of flaws in your argument that you may want to rethink. This coming from someone who leans politically in the same direction that you do. Though I don't think quite so far.

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[quote=jsarno;470808]:doh:

Or do you possibly think they are referring to protecting this country from terrorism. Like how Fred Thompson pointed out how McCain voted for more troops to help the effort in winning even though it was a less than popular decision. Or how about taking care of the people instead of greatly increasing taxes? Again, like the speech pointed out, when you decide to greatly tax businesses, who do you think will actually pay for that? Or how about the fact that Obama is more interested in being popular around the world than being an actual proud american. (note my sig) Obama is in this for himself, not for the benefit of the country. (I'm sure many of you would love to debate that opinion, but we all know, what I am saying is going in one ear and out the other. This site has proven that when it comes to democrats, it doesn't matter what is said, you are sheep for your candidate. Fact is, the last 3 democratic candidates have been piss poor at best, when exactly are the Dems going to throw up a good candidate?)

[B]How anyone can not be moved by Fred Thompson's speech is beyond me. That was a great speech that had people crying in their seats. One of the best speeches in recent memory at a RNC. 5 1/2 years he was in a POW camp with broken bones, breaking ribs, pure torture, yet he didn't give them ANY info...he didn't break AT ALL, including refusing to go home because other people had been there longer than he has. I seriously doubt that Obama has that kind of strength and character. Obama gets upset when you talk about his kids (even though he showboats them any time possible) but the second McCain selects Palin, they are quick to attack her pregnant daughter. This is a vice presidential candidate here...it's fair play I suppose, but don't bitch and moan about your ability to father your kids then turn around and attack a VP candidate's daughter.[/B]

ps- country first could also mean not allowing a 3rd trimester abortion to die in a linen closet with no medical attention like Obama would prefer.[/quote]
i don't think anyone on this board questions john McCain's heroic efforts during war. but his politics, and policies are eerily similar to our current administrations. those same policies have done nothing but damage our economy, damage our good standing thru out the world, and make the bridge between the haves, and the have nots bigger then ever. as a country we are more divided then ever. we are looking for something new. while i may not really know what Obama will do, if he wins the white house. i am willing to try something that is definitely different then the same old status quo, that John McCain offers. and with your P.S. about obama and abortion, i would like a link, because i have heard him support was the women's right to choose. this seems like a radical view against Roe vs. Wade( the same that McCain vows to overturn)

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[quote=SmootSmack;470837]I think that there are a lot of flaws in your argument that you may want to rethink. This coming from someone who leans politically in the same direction that you do. Though I don't think quite so far.[/quote]

I think he's been reading those bogus email forwards again. :doh:

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Yeah, I have to echo SS.

Just because you survived hell as a POW doesn't mean you're qualified to be president. It does mean you're a tough dude. But it's McCain's record that makes him qualified.

Jsarno is right in saying that Thompson is right that raising taxes, even on just the rich, will hurt every single American, most notably in the form of higher inflation. Who wants an econ lesson, and who wants to just take my word for it?

I don't think Obama is out for just himself. He genuinely loves his country and is doing what he thinks is best. He's just, quite simply, wrong on several key issues.

And Obama's campaign has never even come close to attacking Sarah Palin or her daughter on the teen pregnancy issue. He said kids and family are off limits, and he has stuck to it.

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Econ lesson!

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since i am the uneducated one, i want the lesson, too

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[quote=dmek25;470839]i don't think anyone on this board questions john McCain's heroic efforts during war. but his politics, and policies are eerily similar to our current administrations. those same policies have done nothing but damage our economy, damage our good standing thru out the world, and make the bridge between the haves, and the have nots bigger then ever. as a country we are more divided then ever. we are looking for something new. while i may not really know what Obama will do, if he wins the white house. i am willing to try something that is definitely different then the same old status quo, that John McCain offers. and with your P.S. about obama and abortion, i would like a link, because i have heard him support was the women's right to choose. this seems like a radical view against Roe vs. Wade( the same that McCain vows to overturn)[/quote]

You just buy into the democratic rhetoric blindly, don't you? How exactly is McCain a carbon copy of Bush?

Troop Surge
McCain: Yes
Bush: Yes
Was it a good idea? Yes.

Federal Spending
McCain: Cut back, balance the budget
Bush: Spend spend spend

Stem Cell Research
McCain: Yes
Bush: No

Healthcare
McCain: $5000 tax credit to families, and $2500 to individuals, so they can buy any coverage in any state
Bush: Status quo

Taxes:
Bush: supported his own tax cuts, regardless of spending
McCain: liked tax cuts, but came out against them when spending accelerated

Not sure why people will blindly believe he's a carbon copy of Bush. It's an uneducated belief.

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I couldn't get past Fred Thompson's throat clearing let alone listen to his nonsensical babel. All I heard was "Drill...Country First...Terror...POW...Hero...John McCain."

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[quote=jsarno;470808]:doh:

[B]Or do you possibly think they are referring to protecting this country from terrorism[/B]. Like how Fred Thompson pointed out how McCain voted for more troops to help the effort in winning even though it was a less than popular decision. Or how about taking care of the people instead of greatly increasing taxes? Again, like the speech pointed out, when you decide to greatly tax businesses, who do you think will actually pay for that? Or how about the fact that Obama is more interested in being popular around the world than being an actual proud american. (note my sig) Obama is in this for himself, not for the benefit of the country. (I'm sure many of you would love to debate that opinion, but we all know, what I am saying is going in one ear and out the other. [B]This site has proven that when it comes to democrats, it doesn't matter what is said, you are sheep for your candidate.[/B] Fact is, the last 3 democratic candidates have been piss poor at best, when exactly are the Dems going to throw up a good candidate?)

[B]How anyone can not be moved by Fred Thompson's speech is beyond me.[/B] That was a great speech that had people crying in their seats. One of the best speeches in recent memory at a RNC. 5 1/2 years he was in a POW camp with broken bones, breaking ribs, pure torture, yet he didn't give them ANY info...he didn't break AT ALL, including refusing to go home because other people had been there longer than he has. I seriously doubt that Obama has that kind of strength and character. Obama gets upset when you talk about his kids (even though he showboats them any time possible) but the second McCain selects Palin, they are quick to attack her pregnant daughter. This is a vice presidential candidate here...[B]it's fair play I suppose, but don't bitch and moan about your ability to father your kids then turn around and attack a VP candidate's daughter[/B].

[B]ps- country first could also mean not allowing a 3rd trimester abortion to die in a linen closet with no medical attention like Obama would prefer[/B].[/quote]

I'll respond to the points in bold:

-Could be, I just think there's more to it.

-I'm not a dem. I agree the recent dem candidates have been bad, but I think Obama is a strong one.

-Good human interest story, it doesn't tell me why he should be running the country though.

-[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/obama.palin/index.html"]Obama himself said that Palin's daughter is off limits[/URL].
"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother.

-HUH?

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[quote=saden1;470850]I couldn't get past Fred Thompson's throat clearing let alone listen to his nonsensical babel. All I heard was "Drill...Country First...Terror...POW...Hero...John McCain."[/quote]

The four G's!

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OK, ask and ye shall receive.

Obama proposes to increase taxes on big business, small business, and citizens who make over $250,000. These groups are responsible for employing nearly 100% of the American workforce.

Now, think of the money flowing into these companies and businesses as a river. The government is like a dam in that river. The more they tax, the more they choke off the river, and the less water/money actually flows into the businesses downstream.

The less water/money that flows into these businesses, the less water there is for fishermen to find work, and the less fish there are to catch. The less money there is for companies to use, the fewer people they can afford to employ, and the fewer new products and services they can afford to bring to market.

Result? Unemployment invariably rises when taxes are increased. Look at history, it'll show it.

When businesses are forced to cut back on goods and services they offer, they are forced to try to make money in other ways. The most common is increased prices on existing services.

Result, higher prices (inflation) for the daily goods and services we all rely on.

You might say that inflation has gotten out of control even with the Bush tax cuts in place. That's true, but it's not the result of the tax situation. We've experienced inflation in food because of increasing demands for corn and rice to develop ethanol. As demand goes up, prices go up. Corn and rice is used to feed cows and chickens, making it more expensive to feed animals, meaning prices for meats and dairy have gone up. In addition, we've seen increased demand for food products as other huge nations like China and India have developed, and now have the funds to eat finer foods that we Americans enjoy, increasing demand and therefore prices for more than just your basic corn and rice.

In other words, had taxes been higher than they were under Bush, inflation would have been [B]EVEN HIGHER[/B] than it already has been. These global changes in demand would have been no different under a different tax structure. It would be entirely inappropriate and categorically incorrect to blame inflation on the Bush tax cuts.

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So are we talking "trickle down" economics?