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If I ever ended up with a homosexual child, god forbid, but if it did happen, I would love my child nonetheless. I would pray for my child, but my love would not waver. I would worry SO MUCH about their safety and well being, knowing the risks, but my love for them would not be afftected one bit. I truly dont have a problem with homosexual people, I just do not think we should allow them to legally enter an institution which has, since the dawn of history, has been for a man and woman. I also have a problem with serving in the army with homosexuals, knowing their predisposition to STD's and communicable diseases.

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[quote=Mechanix544;718057]SmootSmack, they are not skewed.(And what is up with the blaming the suicides of homosexuals on the public who disagree with their orientation? Pass the buck much? Pretty Lame. They made their bed, lay in it.) The point is that even tho they only make up that % of the population, they are still responsible for over 53% of the HIV/AIDS infections and over 1/3 of the child molestation charges in the country.[/quote]

Not blaming the public, just saying they don't make it any easier. As for them making the bed. Did they make it or was it made for them, as dmek pointed out.

[quote]And where is all these comments coming from that I dont like them ogling me? Never said I had a problem with that, they can do what they want. But just dont expect my tax dollars to go to your healthcare when your sexual orientation had everything to do with you contracting several diseases, some of which are debilitating and very costly to treat. I've treated plenty of people with HIV/AID in nursing homes, most of the in their 40's, early 50's, all of them gay. That is not just a coincidence.[/quote]

I never referred to you, so don't give yourself so much credit

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[quote=Mechanix544;718060]12th, no, I dont any gay people..........


If you were asking if I know any gay people, the answer is, of course. I have 2 gay guys whom I call friends. But as friends, they also know that I completely disagree with their lifestyle choices, and we leave it at that.[/quote]

They must be great friends for you guys to put up with each other

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[quote=SmootSmack;718067]Not blaming the public, just saying they don't make it any easier. As for them making the bed. Did they make it or was it made for them, as dmek pointed out. <---- Again, passing the buck and deflecting responsibility. Noone forces you to have hundreds of gay sex partners and orgies. Noone forces you to live a life that is totally free of responsibility of and full of false entitlement. Drugs, underage sex, STD's, suicide and mental illness......sorry, all PAR for the course for homosexuals. Its a self destructive lifestyle that my government should not and hopefully WILL NOT accept and okay.



I never referred to you, so don't give yourself so much credit[/quote]

Oh, well, Im just gonna have to apologize for that one. So much for my skewed views of self importance and delusions of grandeur when referring to your comments about oogling gays.Trust me, I'll gladly pass along that credit.
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[quote=Mattyk;718063]One can only hope that some of you guys end up with a gay child. Oh man that sure would be a bitch.[/quote]

I'm with you on that...a gay son would be irony rich.

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[quote=Mechanix544;718066]If I ever ended up with a homosexual child, god forbid, but if it did happen, I would love my child nonetheless. I would pray for my child, but my love would not waver. I would worry SO MUCH about their safety and well being, knowing the risks, but my love for them would not be afftected one bit. I truly dont have a problem with homosexual people, I just do not think we should allow them to legally enter an institution which has, since the dawn of history, has been for a man and woman. [B]I also have a problem with serving in the army with homosexuals, knowing their predisposition to STD's and communicable diseases.[/B][/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure heterosexuals are also at risk to communicable diseases and STDs.

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It's funny that with issues like homosexuality and drugs, social conservatives lose their capacity for logic and rational thought.

Re: Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8
 

[quote=Mattyk;717925]What would you do if you had a gay child, or if you found out a close friend or relative was gay?

And to the point in bold, there are plenty more jerkoff hetero guys out there setting bad examples of how a man should act. I would probably be more concerned about that if you ask me, because if your child isn't gay, a gay person isn't likely to have much of a direct influence on them. He or she is going to be influenced by people they can relate to.

[B]And what channels are you watching? I really can't recall the last time I turned on the TV to see a gay guy 'prancing around' setting bad examples[/B].[/quote]

As far as what channels, my wife is a Bravo and HGTV addict. So maybe my opinion is a little skewed. ;-)

As far as having a gay child, personally I have never met a "gay child" so much like leprechauns and jesus, I'm not sure they exist. (that comment should end any reasonable discussion :FIREdevil) That said, I don't know how I would handle it, nor does anyone else who's not been in that situation. I would work through it to the best of my abilities, like any other challenge in life. Regarding close friends or relatives coming out of the closet, it would depend entirely upon them. If they're acting like any other normal human being and just happen to be gay, then no big deal. Conversely, if they insisted on gettin' fabulous out in the open I would be annoyed and stop hanging around them. The same is true if a straight friend/relative started exhibiting any other behavior that I can't stand. If they're entitled to their personal preference, then so am I.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;717944]This is a good post, but I will never understand those who would shelter their kids from being educated about the world -- all parts of it, good and bad -- out of fear they may some day grow up to make their own decisions and be influenced by what they learned.[/quote]

It's not about sheltering kids from "ever" receiving the education or actually being delusional enough to think they're not going to find out about it. It IS about believing that individual families have the right to decide how/when the child is introduced to such realities. I don't personally believe that a kid learns about homosexuality = a kid decides to be gay. So, Matty's comment in response to your post is a typical misread of the situation and pretty common overreaction. I do find it entertaining (and disappointing) that those most up in arms about the rights of those they agree with are the first to resort to name calling and sarcasm instead of rational discussion, on both sides. I support everyone else's right to freedom up until the second that it infringes upon my own. I don't believe that to be unreasonable, it's just the truth.

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[quote=Mattyk;717992]Of course homosexuality exists in the Amish, homosexuality is universal. You don't see them because they are booted out or they're not open about it for fear of getting booted. I'm guessing there are plenty of in the closet Amish.[/quote]

Living here in Amish country, you can always spot the gay ones. They're the ones with sequins on their quilts. :silly:

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[quote=Beemnseven;718121]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure heterosexuals are also at risk to communicable diseases and STDs.[/quote]

Nope heterosexuals are doing things the way nature intended. Therefore they never get exposed to STD's.

[quote=Beemnseven;718122]It's funny that with issues like homosexuality and drugs, social conservatives lose their capacity for logic and rational thought.[/quote]

But they certainly love sex, lol.
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Again for the record since, we have new people here, I'm a moderate. Ironically though I probably make fun of conservatives more often as neocon's are typically more likely to lean towards the Mel Gibson side of absurdity.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;718130]It's not about sheltering kids from "ever" receiving the education or actually being delusional enough to think they're not going to find out about it. It IS about believing that individual families have the right to decide how/when the child is introduced to such realities. I don't personally believe that a kid learns about homosexuality = a kid decides to be gay. So, Matty's comment in response to your post is a typical misread of the situation and pretty common overreaction. I do find it entertaining (and disappointing) that those most up in arms about the rights of those they agree with are the first to resort to name calling and sarcasm instead of rational discussion, on both sides. I support everyone else's right to freedom up until the second that it infringes upon my own. I don't believe that to be unreasonable, it's just the truth.[/quote]

You don't think that fear and ignorance is part of the equation here when talking about those on the extreme side against gay marriage?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;718125]As far as what channels, my wife is a Bravo and HGTV addict. So maybe my opinion is a little skewed. ;-)

As far as having a gay child, personally I have never met a "gay child" so much like leprechauns and jesus, I'm not sure they exist. (that comment should end any reasonable discussion :FIREdevil) That said, I don't know how I would handle it, nor does anyone else who's not been in that situation. I would work through it to the best of my abilities, like any other challenge in life. Regarding close friends or relatives coming out of the closet, it would depend entirely upon them. If they're acting like any other normal human being and just happen to be gay, then no big deal. Conversely, if they insisted on gettin' fabulous out in the open I would be annoyed and stop hanging around them. The same is true if a straight friend/relative started exhibiting any other behavior that I can't stand. If they're entitled to their personal preference, then so am I.[/quote]

HGTV and Bravo, yep that would explain that ;)

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;717727]I didn't make them. It's not my part to figure out why they're effed up. I am of the opinion that many of them were sexually abused as children, some of it's a choice, and some were born sexually retarded. I don't know? You'll have to ask God.

No, you have reached the point to where you think two perverts sodomozing each other is normal. They don't call themselves queer (AKA strange) because they think they're normal. Why should I? If you can look at Dennis Rodman and think he's normal then well, I guess we've crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

We in Virginia have made it law that we will not recognize another state's marriage licenses for two perverts. If you don't like it, don't move here.[/quote]
gay people are perverts the same as blacks are the n-word and so on... your stone age beliefs may actually agree with that though.. the unjustified hate of a group is pretty disgusting, still afraid you might catch the gay or something?

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[quote=Mechanix544;717733]Here Here. This whole PC wave sweeping the nation is getting out of control. So, because two gay guys want cheaper auto insurance and tax breaks, we should legally recognize them as a married couple? Sorry, No way. Marriage is and should be between a man and a woman. Nature says it works that way, and almost every religion says it is blasphemy. So we should cater to them because they are different? Sorry, No way. Lead your life the way you want, but when it comes to the general public recognizing your homo love and okaying it essencially, that is where the buck should stop. Its almost as sick as letting gays in the military............[/quote]
wow.. leave the farm much? marriage has been around a lot longer than insurance (and its breaks).. so do believe that two gay people who think that they're in love are just fooling themselves? if being gay is a choice so is being straight.. meaning you could be gay too, you just choose to like women, better go wash it off real quick..

homosexuality has been around longer than the new testament and what does religion really have to do with it? religion is personal and so is marriage.. lets impose religion on people too.. or is THAT too commie?

do you feel that every couple MUST procreate? do you mind if a heterosexual couple doesn't bear children?