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[quote=44ever;512461]1989 Dallas Cowboys went 1-15 beating yours only yours truly the Redskins of corse. By 2003 they where in the Superbowl. It takes time. But they kept the same team and organization for the most part. For those of you who don't go back that far. It's the same old Skins. And welcome to our world. For those who do go back that far. You should know better. What's the big suprise guys? Keep things the same for a while![/quote]


This is basically the same team/plan as 2004, it is Gibbs 2 if you will. Basically it is not working and needs a redo. I think it is going to take a Cowher type couch with complete control to turn this ship around. Now will Danny allow that? Yet to be seen but IMO Zorn is not the guy to do it.

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[quote=mredskins;512466]This is basically the same team/plan as 2004, it is Gibbs 2 if you will. Basically it is not working and needs a redo. I think it is going to take a Cowher type couch with complete control to turn this ship around. Now will Danny allow that? Yet to be seen but IMO Zorn is not the guy to do it.[/quote]

You know I love Gibbs but he's been away from the game for too long. Believe me when I heard Zorn was named HC I thought it was some sort of joke. I still do. Cowher would be a great coach no doubt. But all I'm saying is Jimmy Johnson was seen as a joke too. I would give Zorn at least one more year to see if he can improve the Skins. It's not like Cowher is bringing us to the SuperBowl in 1 season. Either way next year will be a transition. I may be wrong. Who knows maybe Zorn was the only one that wanted the job :)

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[quote=44ever;512475]You know I love Gibbs but he's been away from the game for too long. Believe me when I heard Zorn was named HC I thought it was some sort of joke. I still do. Cowher would be a great coach no doubt. But all I'm saying is Jimmy Johnson was seen as a joke too. I would give Zorn at least one more year to see if he can improve the Skins. It's not like Cowher is bringing us to the SuperBowl in 1 season. Either way next year will be a transition. I may be wrong. Who knows maybe Zorn was the only one that wanted the job :)[/quote]

JJ wasn't seen as a joke. College HC w/ a NC.

Can anyone tell me why we ran the ball w/ 2:10 left in the game down by 10, ball on the 10 yard line, approx? Then ran the screen after that. Bad stuff man.

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[quote=redsk1;512477]JJ wasn't seen as a joke. College HC w/ a NC.

Can anyone tell me why we ran the ball w/ 2:10 left in the game down by 10, ball on the 10 yard line, approx? Then ran the screen after that. Bad stuff man.[/quote]

at 1-15 he was. Spurrier was a great college coach as well. I'm talking Pro's not college. I grew up in a family of Dallas Cowboy fans so I watched them often and had to hear the inside scoop. And he was not liked in 1989. We ran the ball with 2 minutes left because that's what we have been doing for the last 10 years. Why do we treat the last 2 min in the first half like it doesn't matter? Or loss to the worst teams? These things are nothing new. If your implying as much. I'm not arguing we suck. We do. I was only trying to learn from history. Who are we getting after Cowher? When do you start to catch on to what's been going on? Just as frustrated as you are. Maybe more.

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[quote=redsk1;512477]JJ wasn't seen as a joke. College HC w/ a NC.

[B]Can anyone tell me why we ran the ball w/ 2:10 left in the game down by 10, ball on the 10 yard line, approx? Then ran the screen after that. Bad stuff man.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, that's a great point. A microcosm of the second half of our season. Early in the season when the line was healthy and playing well, we could dictate games with our running game. That's not the case anymore and hasn't been for at least a month (with Seattle being the lone exception).

On the road, trailing late in the game with the playoffs on the line, you've got to attack. I really hope Zorn's inability to adjust is nothing more than a symptom of being a rookie HC with too many responsibilities on his plate. I believe in his system, but I think he needs to let someone else call the plays.

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After the little tiff between CP and Zorn last week, you can totally tell Redskins PR got to both of them as far as post-game candor.

Zorn, who typically talks openly about lack of execution and hasn't taken too much blame thus far (until after this game):

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/jim_zorn_taking_full_blame.html#more"]Zorn: 'I've Got to Look at Myself' - Redskins Insider[/URL]

And Portis, who is attention-hungry and rarely admits fault, but will certainly dish it out:

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/14/AR2008121402270.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

Funny how Portis is literally quoting Zorn in prior weeks, blaming the game on players' lack of execution.

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I'm a little surprised that this is close to 50-50. I would have figured there would be a mutiny by now.

I appear to have taken my faith out of humanity too soon once again.

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[quote=GMScud;512501]After the little tiff between CP and Zorn last week, you can totally tell Redskins PR got to both of them as far as post-game candor.

Zorn, who typically talks openly about lack of execution and hasn't too much blame thus far:

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/jim_zorn_taking_full_blame.html#more"]Zorn: 'I've Got to Look at Myself' - Redskins Insider[/URL]

And Portis, who is attention-hungry and rarely admits fault, but will certainly dish it out:

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/14/AR2008121402270.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

Funny how Portis is literally quoting Zorn in prior weeks, blaming the game on players' lack of execution.[/quote]Well, Portis is smart enough to know he was out of line and that the problems with the team run a lot deeper than Zorn.

Zorn's smart enough to know he can use this loss to rectify his prior mistakes.

I don't know how long Portis will remain effective, but I know that Portis and Zorn can co-exist as long as they both are around.

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[quote=Mr.Redskin;509907]Zorn, should go down or ought to go down as the first HC ever to be an interim first year HC before the season started. His responsibilities going into this year were too over whelming and way above his pay grade and initial application.

I would hope we could either down grade him as Offensive Coordinator, but at the same time I preach continuity and being able to solidify our leadership and not this carousel of direction we are supposed to be heading.

It seems Cowher would never be interested in us. Where are we gonna find a guy worthy of us and better yet would want to keep Zorn as Off Coord.???

In Baltimore, they have Cameron for Off. and Ryan for Def. their HC Harboraugh is simply just a lifeguard watching over the 2 sides not really even messing with them. He simply is the front man who does interviews to the media and is supervisor for his staff.

Zorn posseses great character but I haven't seen the players seem to be declining their approval of him by the week. I wish Snyder/Cerrato could evaluate the talent/ team we have and be able to bring coaches/players in that work around them rather than entities that falsely build hype which fuels his product being merchandised.

I like how all of our problems are reflections of poor Mgt. but all they do is temporarily disguise it or temporarily sweep it under the rug. History seems to repeat it self again in DC.[/quote]

Downgrade Zorn to Offensive Coordinator? You're kidding, right? Isn't he calling the offensive plays now? How does THAT seem to be working out so far (Crumbling offensive line nothwithstanding)?

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"if" Zorn is replaced he should at least remain as QB coach. It would provide continuity. That is if JC stays. Otherwise it makes no sense to keep him at all.

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Has there ever been a head coach that lost his job and stayed on at a lower position? Just wondering if that's even a reality. I'm guessing no.

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[quote=redsk1;512477]JJ wasn't seen as a joke. College HC w/ a NC.

[B]Can anyone tell me why we ran the ball w/ 2:10 left in the game down by 10, ball on the 10 yard line, approx? Then ran the screen after that.[/B] Bad stuff man.[/quote]

You know that was my first reaction too, and said so while watching, but as I said it, I realized it actually was a great call. Everyone knew we needed two scores, no timeouts, every defender had to be thinking pass. But we did have the two minute warning, so we had one shot at pulling a draw or run to break it. He took the shot, used the two minute warning, and it didn't work. Like most of our plays in the second half of the season.

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[quote=Joe Kidd;512642]Has there ever been a head coach that lost his job and stayed on at a lower position? Just wondering if that's even a reality. I'm guessing no.[/quote]

We are talking about the Redskins! Where reality doesn't seem to exist! ????

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[quote=Joe Kidd;512642]Has there ever been a head coach that lost his job and stayed on at a lower position? Just wondering if that's even a reality. I'm guessing no.[/quote]

Gunther Cunningham came back to the Chiefs a few years after being let go as head coach

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[quote=Joe Kidd;512642]Has there ever been a head coach that lost his job and stayed on at a lower position? Just wondering if that's even a reality. I'm guessing no.[/quote]

Dave Campo is closest to fulfilling that criteria but he came back a few years after he was let go.