Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Man, getting him in a Redskins uni would be nice. We could use this guy for a multitude of reasons. I can justify the need for a WR of his caliber. Will be interesting to see if we make a play for him. As schefter stated on ESPN without trading VJ they will pick up a supp 3rd rounder, so why would they trade him for anything less.

Unfortunately the only way we get him is a min of a 2nd rounder. It seems like the same ol skins, but dam he would be a nice target for DM for the next 4 or 5 years.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Here is a decent article on the case against VJ for the Skins:
[url=http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/09/17/redskins-need-to-stay-away-from-vincent-jackson/]Redskins Need To Stay Away From Vincent Jackson | steveospeak[/url]

needless to say I disagree with most everything he says.

a few thoughts

How is the 2011 draft shaping up deeper than the 2010 draft? Not that this is central to his premise, but many top juniors came out last year due to the possibility of a new CBA that includes a salary cap, and many juniors this year may stay in that extra year, especially if a lockout or strike looks imminent in January when they have to decide. Further we already spent two 2nds on potential future top WR's(Kelly and Thomas) how has that worked out?
IF we worked out a deal that brought a 27 year old WR at the top of his game, and cost us only a 2nd (or better yet trade AH for someone else's 2nd) then why the heck wouldn't we make that deal.

Then he talks about how the strength of schedule argues against it, but clearly our WR's are a weakness, that isn't getting better without an infusion of talent. The delay factor would make sense, if we were choosing between an available player and VJ, but since the choices are status quo, or significant upgrade later in the season, the obvious choice would seem to be upgrade.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Shanahan has had to game plan against him in the past, so he probably has his own gauge as to whether or not Jackson is worth it. Jackson wants a payday, and there's no guarantee that he's not going to turn complacent after his payday.

For us, getting rid of the embarrassing and debilitating reputation the Redskins have had for that past decade as a place to "get paid well, but not necessarily win anything" is priority No.1 so players don't come here just to milk the money tree for all its worth and then leave a pile of crap behind them like many already have.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;734738]Shanahan has had to game plan against him in the past, so he probably has his own gauge as to whether or not Jackson is worth it. Jackson wants a payday, and there's no guarantee that he's not going to turn complacent after his payday.

For us, getting rid of the embarrassing and debilitating reputation the Redskins have had for that past decade as a place to "get paid well, but not necessarily win anything" is priority No.1 so players don't come here just to milk the money tree for all its worth and then leave a pile of crap behind them like many already have.[/quote]

Personally, I see a lot of similarities between VJ and AH, hence my hesitation to go after him. I know he has a lot of talent, but I'm sure Vinny said the same thing when going after AH and disregarding the warning signs.

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If we do trade for him,hopefully all this time on getting a deal done is part of him extending his year & contract with the Redskins in negotiations...

So an agreed contract extension as part of the trade. We don't want to be in a 1 year deal and him walking after 1 season...

Maybe this helps speed up McNabb's 1 year deal left as well,knowing he has a pair of really good WR's..

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Not to mention VJ would have caught those end zone "over the top" fade routes that Armstrong missed twice...

What is VJ....6'5"?

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=aceinthehouse;734743]not to mention vj would have caught those end zone "over the top" fade routes that armstrong missed twice...

What is vj....6'5"?[/quote]

6'10.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;734744]6'10.[/quote]

lol

Yes,Vincent jackson is taller than Manute Bol...

VJ is 7'9" talll...
get'm
championship!:food-smil

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=aceinthehouse;734743]Not to mention VJ would have caught those end zone "over the top" fade routes that Armstrong missed twice...

What is VJ....6'5"?[/quote]

No he wouldn't have, because he would have been sitting at home serving his 3-game suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Ruhskins;734748]No he wouldn't have, because he would have been sitting at home serving his 3-game suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.[/quote]

This is true...
nice catch...(no pun intended)

But he can catch our fade routes against G.B. then...

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Yah, San Diego could care less about VJ because they have Legedu Naanee and Malcolm Floyd to replace him. Maybe we should emulate them. The NFL is a place where making decisions based on "intuitive risk-aversity", that is, going for something perceived as a "sure thing" over something risky, is likely to backfire because the "sure thing" is likely to fail itself, albeit at a lower rate than a rookie.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;734750]This is true...
nice catch...(no pun intended)

But he can catch our fade routes against G.B. then...[/quote]

I think Redskins fans that want to get VJ need to plead with AJ Smith to free Jackson. Smith is the roadblock to any trade IMO.

[quote=SirClintonPortis;734751]Yah, San Diego could care less about VJ because they have Legedu Naanee and Malcolm Floyd to replace him. Maybe we should emulate them. The NFL is a place where making decisions "intuitive risk-aversity", that is, going for something perceived as a "sure thing" over something risky, is likely to backfire because the "sure thing" is likely to fail itself, albeit at a lower rate than a rookie.[/quote]

Plus, Smith (Charger's GM) is trying to make an example out of VJ, so until he changes this attitude, VJ is not going anywhere.

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Well,if they don't trade V-Jack by the deadline,then he will eventually just....walk at the end of the season and the chargers will get a 3rd round compensatory pick at the [B]HIGHEST[/B] for losing him.

They could franchise him and pay him top 5 WR Salary,but that wouldn't make since to keep him,when they could just give him a contract that would be cheaper in the 2011 season than a franchise tag...

So this means they have to deal him.
But they want more than the 3rd round copensatory pick they would get if he walked...

So a 3rd,4th and 5th..
or a 2nd...
or two 3rds

are better,than 1 3rd round pick.

There just trying to get the best offer in value for VJ...

Now I know,they can get [B]MORE[/B] than one 3rd rounder for VJ...

Shoot a 3rd and a 7th rounder,would be better than letting him go for just a 3rd...

And teams know this...
It's the chargers who are under the pressure of dealing him cause they have a Wednesday deadline...Their just trying to get as many and as best offers as possible.

It's an auction...

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And we don't have a 3rd...we have a 1st and a 2nd and we aren't dealing that I'm betting...

So we are probably either offering multiple lower round picks for him........A 3-way deal that involves haynesworth and included other teams draft picks or picks in selective years that don't empty our draft selections for 2011. (like a 5th in 2011...and a 3rd in 2012 and so on)

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Yah, Eddie Royal was a 2nd round pick and Brandon Marshall was a 4th rounder.

And pissing on Armstrong after one game.

I'm glad ace is not a GM on any football team, except on an NFC East rival team.

Chargers may want to get as much value as they can, but why should a buyer cater to them in the first place? The buyer should be following his self-interest first and foremost.