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[quote=SmootSmack;1045736]To clarify, what I said was Haslett was not Shanny's first or second choice. But it was a Shanahan decision. What I said about Snyder was that most people don't know in the summer of 99, he tried to hire Haslett away from the Steelers to be our HC. Cowher was livid that Snyder would try such a thing right as training camp is about to start that he got the league to deny Snyder's request to even interview Haslett. So with that background, I simply wonder what-if any-influence Snyder has on JH staying[/quote]

This is interesting considering the fact that B. Mitchel made the claim on CSN that Haslett is being handcuffed in terms of doing what he really wants to do. The OC and DC needs to go, promote Rahim Morris to DC move Slowick to DB coach and add Monte Coleman to teach linebackers.

They should also fire Chris Foerster and pay Russ Grimm an insane amount of money to come out of retirement to be the o-line coach. I understand Russ is not a zone- blocking expert, however he can possibly salvage LeRibeus and develop offensive line talent.

Can Mike McDaniel teach and develop men, I don't know.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1045736]To clarify, what I said was Haslett was not Shanny's first or second choice. But it was a Shanahan decision. What I said about Snyder was that most people don't know in the summer of 99, he tried to hire Haslett away from the Steelers to be our HC. Cowher was livid that Snyder would try such a thing right as training camp is about to start that he got the league to deny Snyder's request to even interview Haslett. So with that background, I simply wonder what-if any-influence Snyder has on JH staying[/quote]

Hhhmmm. So interesting scenario that could explain things a bit. Snyder persuades Mike to hire Jim Haslett - a coach that Snyder was denied access to a few years ago. I can see this as sort of a "trophy" situation for Dan. His thinking could be, when Mike moves on, Haslett not only hopefully does a great job with the defense, but is prepped to be the next head coach under a Super Bowl winning head coach in Mike Shanahan. So Dan's vision is to have whatever success he could have with Mike Shanahan, and when Shanahan leaves, Haslett - who Snyder wanted as head coach years ago - takes over to hopefully keep the franchise winning. In the end, Dan Snyder gets what he wants. Just like it was before he officially hired Mike Shanahan. Shanahan was reportedly interested more in going to Dallas, but Dan somehow is able to hire Shanahan away from the Cowboys. So again, in the end, Dan gets what/who he wants. That's why I can see this as a trophy situation.

The only problem is, Haslett is not working out so hot, and Mike, for that matter, is struggling as well. So maybe Snyder is able to come to grips the fact that he was wrong about Haslett, but is he thinking the same thing about Shanahan? Or, is he willing to give this situation to Bruce Allen or the next GM (whoever he is) and say "fix this?" It's all speculation on my part and I could be very wrong, but it makes sense.

Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1045736]To clarify, what I said was Haslett was not Shanny's first or second choice. But it was a Shanahan decision. What I said about Snyder was that most people don't know in the summer of 99, he tried to hire Haslett away from the Steelers to be our HC. Cowher was livid that Snyder would try such a thing right as training camp is about to start that he got the league to deny Snyder's request to even interview Haslett. So with that background, I simply wonder what-if any-influence Snyder has on JH staying[/quote]

Be honest, is the Haslett situation due at least in part to many/most coaches not wanting to work with Shanny?

He's fired so many DC's and seems to have so few good relationships around the league, I've wondered since the beginning if Haslett was maybe the only guy who would work with Mike. Same goes for the kiddo.

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[quote=The Goat;1045798]Be honest, is the Haslett situation due at least in part to many/most coaches not wanting to work with Shanny?

He's fired so many DC's and seems to have so few good relationships around the league, I've wondered since the beginning if Haslett was maybe the only guy who would work with Mike. Same goes for the kiddo.[/quote]

You're totally off. The first choice, Mike Zimmer, had just lost his wife and didn't want to put his kids through the added stress of relocating.

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some of U guys get to worked up on behind the scene stuff

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[quote=SmootSmack;1045801]You're totally off. The first choice, Mike Zimmer, had just lost his wife and didn't want to put his kids through the added stress of relocating.[/quote]

I'm not getting through to you. Mike's in his fourth year and we've been stuck with Haslett the whole time because Zimmer's wife died??

Over the last four years a solid handful of really, really good defensive coaches have been available, many specializing in the 3-4. Wade Philips (worked with Mike before), Rob Ryan come to mind immediately. There's more. Why have we not upgraded the position is the bottom line question?

Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach
 

[quote=The Goat;1045798]Be honest, is the Haslett situation due at least in part to many/most coaches not wanting to work with Shanny?

He's fired so many DC's and seems to have so few good relationships around the league, I've wondered since the beginning if Haslett was maybe the only guy who would work with Mike. Same goes for the kiddo.[/quote]

???

Who has fired so many DC's? MS? wasn't the reason MS was fired from Denver was because he refused to fire his DC?

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[quote=The Goat;1045803]I'm not getting through to you. Mike's in his fourth year and we've been stuck with Haslett the whole time because Zimmer's wife died??

Over the last four years a solid handful of really, really good defensive coaches have been available, many specializing in the 3-4. Wade Philips (worked with Mike before), Rob Ryan come to mind immediately. There's more. Why have we not upgraded the position is the bottom line question?[/quote]

I have never heard anyone say that people don't want to work with Shanahan. Anyone credible to me that is.

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[quote=The Goat;1045803]I'm not getting through to you. Mike's in his fourth year and we've been stuck with Haslett the whole time because Zimmer's wife died??

Over the last four years a solid handful of really, really good defensive coaches have been available, many specializing in the 3-4. Wade Philips (worked with Mike before), Rob Ryan come to mind immediately. There's more. Why have we not upgraded the position is the bottom line question?[/quote]

Sorry, didn't take that one step further to read the next post. I totally agree. MS gets too loyal with his coaches I think is why we have not upgraded (personally) but .... I think DS allows MS to finish out his 5 yrs as agreed to prior to hiring him. But if MS wants success he needs to fire Haslett and bring in a more qualified DC preferably in the 3-4 so there is not much change, Fix the offense, use the $36 mill to bring in decent talent on both sides of the ball to "fix" this teams issues that he wants to blame on the $36 mill punishment and make something happen next year. Otherwise I don't see an extention.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1045810]I have never heard anyone say that people don't want to work with Shanahan. Anyone credible to me that is.[/quote]

Just like in any business, Shanahan would not have lasted this long in the league if he were constantly alienating others and driving capable people away.

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If I could change my vote: what do I think "will" happen? MS stays his 5th year and if he fixes this hot mess then he gets an extention or something. If he fails he's not retained.

What I would like to see happen: MS fired. and....

HC: Jon Gruden
OC: Jay Gruden
DC: Lovie Smith (Tampa Two) < if he'll take the job. Great DC, just OK- HC.

I would throw a ton of money at Charley Casserly just to come back for 3-5 yrs and rework his magic over these guys. I'd keep Allen also.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045708]After seeing the Seattle last night, maybe Darrell Bevell is the best option.[/quote]

Yep. If no Shaw, then Bevell he knows what he's doing.

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[quote=Lotus;1045816]Just like in any business, Shanahan would not have lasted this long in the league if he were constantly alienating others and driving capable people away.[/quote]

I cringe everytime i hear that statement about business.

It is 100% not true. I'm not saying Football is just like business.

But i know of a company that just closed down last year - local folks who were in business since 1929.

they rubbed everybody the wrong way, owed the entire county money, had a class action lawsuit against them, and finally went out of business.

The point is they lasted almost 100 years before they went out.

Lots of shit companies still exist in the world that does everything wrong from A to Z.

Please Lotus don't take that offensively i just have always hated the analogy that because something has been around a long time, means its successful..

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[quote=Lotus;1045816]Just like in any business, Shanahan would not have lasted this long in the league if he were constantly alienating others and driving capable people away.[/quote]

Ha. My time working with a prominent political radio host would suggest otherwise. Regardless, I don't think Shanny is disliked around the league.

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I just don't get the love fest over Jon Gruden, it's probably the same who all wanted Shanny here in the first place because of his name. If we move I would rather have a younger Coordinator from somewhere who is hungry to prove himself in the league and let him build his legacy. I am done with the big name guys.