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[quote=WaldSkins;533953]I can't believe you bought it.[/quote]

You bastard. lol

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Redskins are bringing in G/T Elton Brown to Redskins Park today according to Jason Reid of the Post

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/elton_brown_set_to_visit_redsk.html]Elton Brown Set to Visit Redskins Park Today - Redskins Insider[/url]

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Here's a decent source for FA news and talks:

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=WAS]Washington Redskins : Rotoworld.com - Washington Redskins News from Rotoworld.com[/url]

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[QUOTE] The Redskins have made G Pete Kendall their next free agent target.
"He's my next phone call," Jim Zorn said. Kendall would return as a No. 3 guard and No. 2 center. He'd probably rather find a starting job elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm...

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[quote=cobracai1;534233]Redskins are bringing in G/T Elton Brown to Redskins Park today according to Jason Reid of the Post

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/elton_brown_set_to_visit_redsk.html]Elton Brown Set to Visit Redskins Park Today - Redskins Insider[/url][/quote]

I think this is worthy of being its own thread

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[quote=cobracai1;534233]Redskins are bringing in G/T Elton Brown to Redskins Park today according to Jason Reid of the Post

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/elton_brown_set_to_visit_redsk.html]Elton Brown Set to Visit Redskins Park Today - Redskins Insider[/url][/quote]

The guy is not even a starter in Arizona, he's a backup. I thought they wanted starter material?

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[quote=cobracai1;534233]Redskins are bringing in G/T Elton Brown to Redskins Park today according to Jason Reid of the Post

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/elton_brown_set_to_visit_redsk.html"]Elton Brown Set to Visit Redskins Park Today - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

I like watching him on Good Eats!





(yes, I know...)

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[quote=Buster;534243]I like watching him on Good Eats!





(yes, I know...)[/quote]


LOL.........me too!:food-smil

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It probably has been said, but Liegh Liegh Torrence is available. I think we should sign him for depth. He would be a good fifth corner.

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Why have'nt we brought in Angelo Crowell and Kevin Burnett for a visit.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;534526]Why have'nt we brought in Angelo Crowell and Kevin Burnett for a visit.[/quote]

i ask the same question...and why haven't we signed willis for oline depth

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[quote=T.O.Killa;534526]Why have'nt we brought in Angelo Crowell and Kevin Burnett for a visit.[/quote]

That's a good question.

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Hall was a expected sign. so I don't count him. Doc fell into our laps backwards so I dont count that either. AH was our only calculated FA move thus far. And now nothing except for a moronic old man punter who is no better than Plack. So AH and Johnson. They cut JT. And yes Im going to say it. They should have brought Evans back or Talked to JT earlier about workouts and cut him weeks ago then we could have signed Canty and been done with DE. Maybe FO has a crystal ball but it seems they are content with AH but not very agressive otherwise.

[QUOTE]Why have'nt we brought in Angelo Crowell and Kevin Burnett for a visit[/QUOTE]

??????????

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[quote=44ever;534612]Hall was a expected sign. so I don't count him. Doc fell into our laps backwards so I dont count that either. AH was our only calculated FA move thus far. And now nothing except for a moronic old man punter who is no better than Plack. So AH and Johnson. They cut JT. And yes Im going to say it. They should have brought Evans back or Talked to JT earlier about workouts and cut him weeks ago then we could have signed Canty and been done with DE. Maybe FO has a crystal ball but it seems they are content with AH but not very agressive otherwise.[/quote]

How do you know we weren't going to make a splash for the O-line? It's not the redskins fault that Dockery was released by the Bills. Im sure they would have made a quick swoop in for O-line help if Dock wasn't signed. Either way we got O-line help.

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[quote=WaldSkins;534616][B]How do you know we weren't going to make a splash for the O-line?[/B] It's not the redskins fault that Dockery was released by the Bills. Im sure they would have made a quick swoop in for O-line help if Dock wasn't signed. Either way we got O-line help.[/quote]

[B]I don't[/B]. And Im happy Doc worked out for us. Im not complaining about that. But since signing AH we seem very reserved. Unless you consider Johnson a priority.

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I'm really baffled about us not pursuing Angelo Crowell especially since London Fletcher was encouraging the move. Any other OLBs on the radar?

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[quote=theJBexperience;534714]I'm really baffled about us not pursuing Angelo Crowell especially since London Fletcher was encouraging the move. Any other OLBs on the radar?[/quote]
When did Fletcher say they should sign him? If thats true, then I think they will. He was Jery Grays LB, when they were top 5 in the league. Maybe he is just figuring out how much we should pay him.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;534730]When did Fletcher say they should sign him? If thats true, then I think they will. He was Jery Grays LB, when they were top 5 in the league. Maybe he is just figuring out how much we should pay him.[/quote]

The longer he's on the market means not that many teams are interested which in turn means his price tag will continue to fall. Maybe that's their thinking.

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[quote=GMScud;534734]The longer he's on the market means not that many teams are interested which in turn means his price tag will continue to fall. Maybe that's their thinking.[/quote]

Exactly, I think the FO is looking for discount given he's had a history of knee problems. I think Crowell could be a solid starter (given he's healthy) for 1-2 years.

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[quote=GMScud;534734]The longer he's on the market means not that many teams are interested which in turn means his price tag will continue to fall. Maybe that's their thinking.[/quote]
Well, what I was trying tosay is maybe they made an offer and he did not like it. So, he is out there trying to establish a value for himself that we can match if we want to. Assuming he wants to play with Gray and Fletcher.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;534730]When did Fletcher say they should sign him? If thats true, then I think they will. He was Jery Grays LB, when they were top 5 in the league. Maybe he is just figuring out how much we should pay him.[/quote]

There was an article in the [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/24/redskins-could-pursue-crowell/"]Washington Times[/URL] that mentioned London Fletcher's endorsement.

Last I heard, he was visiting Tampa Bay.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;534744]Well, what I was trying tosay is maybe they made an offer and he did not like it. So, he is out there trying to establish a value for himself that we can match if we want to. Assuming he wants to play with Gray and Fletcher.[/quote]

Aside from Fletcher supposedly lobbying for him, I haven't heard anywhere that we're interested in Crowell, and I know he hasn't visited either.

I read a few "Redskins could pursue Crowell" articles, but that's about it. Nothing concrete. That said, I think he would definitely help us.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnvT3d1V6DYZ0zu8jifb88UdsLYF?slug=ap-patriots-eaglestrade&prov=ap&type=lgns]Patriots acquire WR Greg Lewis from Eagles - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Eagles lose another player.

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[quote=Buster;534776][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnvT3d1V6DYZ0zu8jifb88UdsLYF?slug=ap-patriots-eaglestrade&prov=ap&type=lgns"]Patriots acquire WR Greg Lewis from Eagles - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

Eagles lose another player.[/quote]

too bad its such a crappy one.

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[quote=Buster;534776][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnvT3d1V6DYZ0zu8jifb88UdsLYF?slug=ap-patriots-eaglestrade&prov=ap&type=lgns]Patriots acquire WR Greg Lewis from Eagles - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Eagles lose another player.[/quote]

Just a thought, some people talked about trading ARE in some threads, and I thought there's no way ARE would have any value. If Greg Lewis is worth a 5th round pick, ARE would have to be worth at least a 4th rounder, possibly a 3rd rounder (he has better numbers the Greg Lewis). I'm not suggesting that ARE be traded, is just that looking at this trade made me think about AREs value.

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I think ARE would make a decent slot receiver this year and if Thomas or Kelly step up that's where we'll see him. I really think he's been out of position since he's been here. That was probably the idea when we got Brandon Lloyd. But to this point nothing has worked out to where we could play ARE at what would be his most productive position.

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[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/06/cowboys-fill-defensive-line-hole-with-olshansky/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Cowboys fill defensive-line hole with Olshansky «[/url]

He does know Wade Phillips Defense, as does Brookings. Probably good pickups for them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;534834][URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/06/cowboys-fill-defensive-line-hole-with-olshansky/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Cowboys fill defensive-line hole with Olshansky «[/URL]

He does know Wade Phillips Defense, as does Brookings. Probably good pickups for them.[/quote]

A decent pickup, but a slower, less athletic version of Chris Canty. It's still a downgrade compared to Canty.

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[quote=GMScud;534841]A decent pickup, but a slower, less athletic version of Chris Canty. It's still a downgrade compared to Canty.[/quote]

Do you think we would have continued to go after Canty had we cut JT earlier?

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[quote=44ever;534845]Do you think we would have continued to go after Canty had we cut JT earlier?[/quote]Absoultely I think that. I think you have to understand that we were looking at them to play two different positions in the defense, but we didn't pursue Canty because of a money allocation issue, which was less of an issue upon Taylor's release.

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What the hell are we going to do for a defensive end and a linebacker?

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Looks like the negotiations between Tomlinson and the Chargers are not going well.

[url=http://www3.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/chargers/2009/mar/06/stay-or-go-decision-now-lts-hands/?chargers]"Stay or go? Decision now in LT's hands" by Chargers Blog[/url]

Also an interesting articles on the Giants' defensive signings. Needless to say, I mentioned Rocky Bernard as a possible free agent acquisition, but after knowing this I'm glad we didn't get him or Boley.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11464876]Black 'n' Big Blue? Questionable additions shed new light on Giants - CBSSports.com News, Fantasy, Video[/url]

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Yeah, they've been talking all week up here about the "character" of the guys the Giants just picked up

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[quote=SmootSmack;534906]Yeah, they've been talking all week up here about the "character" of the guys the Giants just picked up[/quote]

I can imagine that. I was just thinking that we had some people go into a praise-the-Giants-FO orgy for a couple of days, yet I was thinking that if the Redskins had signed the likes of Bernard or Boley, there would have been tons of criticism for the character issue (I mean if they complained about Hall, I would hope they would make a fuss about two women-beaters).

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This is still the FA thread right... :)

... with Willis signing again in Seattle I'm wondering/maybe hoping we don't make another FA move till after the draft. I see it this way: we're desperate for one starter at LB and probably another quality guy for depth, desperate for a LDE starter, and we probably need a much better option at RT. I guess you could throw center in there too but I have the feeling Buges is far from giving up on Rabach so if we take a center it will only be a depth pick later in the draft. So we need 2 or 3 legit starters between now and opening day and in the best case scenario we trade back and somehow get a couple starters w/ our first 2 picks. Probably we only get one starter from the draft regardless of a trade and in that case we still need 1 or 2 starters acquired in FA. I tend to think the best bet will come after the draft then as teams cut players. We're basically looking for leftovers... but leftovers are probably much better than our current options at SLB, DE and even RT.

... FA IMHO hasn't been real impressive. Dock fell into our laps and that's nice but we desperately need upgrades at RT and LB (and now LDE) and not one of those spots were addressed. Actually what's amazing is this is the 2nd offseason in a row we had these exact same needs and somehow the FO hasn't been able to get it done... actually kind of baffling for a simple fan.

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[quote=The Goat;534928]This is still the FA thread right... :)

... with Willis signing again in Seattle I'm wondering/maybe hoping we don't make another FA move till after the draft. I see it this way: we're desperate for one starter at LB and probably another quality guy for depth, desperate for a LDE starter, and we probably need a much better option at RT. I guess you could throw center in there too but I have the feeling Buges is far from giving up on Rabach so if we take a center it will only be a depth pick later in the draft. So we need 2 or 3 legit starters between now and opening day and in the best case scenario we trade back and somehow get a couple starters w/ our first 2 picks. Probably we only get one starter from the draft regardless of a trade and in that case we still need 1 or 2 starters acquired in FA. I tend to think the best bet will come after the draft then as teams cut players. We're basically looking for leftovers... but leftovers are probably much better than our current options at SLB, DE and even RT.

... FA IMHO hasn't been real impressive. Dock fell into our laps and that's nice but we desperately need upgrades at RT and LB (and now LDE) and not one of those spots were addressed. Actually what's amazing is this is the 2nd offseason in a row we had these exact same needs and somehow the FO hasn't been able to get it done... actually kind of baffling for a simple fan.[/quote]

Last offseason the biggest needs (according to many) were among wideouts and the defensive line. Honestly, the FO has been average to me, although kinda hard to judge them since the offseason is not over.

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[quote=Ruhskins;534933]Last offseason the biggest needs (according to many) were among wideouts and the defensive line. Honestly, the FO has been average to me, although kinda hard to judge them since the offseason is not over.[/quote]

The o-line completely fell apart on '07. Jansen and Thomas had their season ending injures. Rabach wasn't very good. Basically we didn't do anything to improve that group going into '08 other than hope and pray Jansen and Thomas had awesome rebound years and Heyer would improve a lot. Heyer didn't improve and worse yet looks to be injury prone for such a young player, obviously Thomas and Jansen didn't rebound. I'm not disagreeing w/ you Ruh on the WR and d-line situations, just making the point we've had desperate needs in several areas that we haven't really addressed. Dock really was a gift even though I totally agree w/ people who also realize he's not gonna solve the whole problem there: we need new talent on the o-line.

... for what it's worth I though the d-line has been in far better shape than it's offensive counterpart over the last couple years and w/ the decline/departure of Marcus I'd thought LB was also a priority over d-line. I just remember Williams saying Monty had the potential to be a dominant player instead of just a decent rotational DT... every year i keep hoping he breaks out and that's part of the reason i thought d-line could be a lower priority than our decrepit o-lineman and an aging LB corp. (BTW wouldn't it be off the hook if Monty has a breakout season now... would allow us to put AH all over the place on the LOS cuz he's so versatile). But i haven't at all given up on the off-season, just hoping we get lucky w/ 2 or 3 gems (surprise cuts maybe) prior to camp starting.

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[quote=The Goat;534938]The o-line completely fell apart on '07. Jansen and Thomas had their season ending injures. Rabach wasn't very good. Basically we didn't do anything to improve that group going into '08 other than hope and pray Jansen and Thomas had awesome rebound years and Heyer would improve a lot. Heyer didn't improve and worse yet looks to be injury prone for such a young player, obviously Thomas and Jansen didn't rebound. I'm not disagreeing w/ you Ruh on the WR and d-line situations, just making the point we've had desperate needs in several areas that we haven't really addressed.

... for what it's worth I though the d-line has been in far better shape than it's offensive counterpart over the last couple years and w/ the decline/departure of Marcus I'd thought LB was also a priority of d-line. But i haven't at all given up on the off-season, just hoping we get lucky w/ 2 or 3 gems (surprise cuts maybe) prior to camp starting.[/quote]

Ah gotcha. I think the problem is that...well I don't know if the FO listened too much to the sports pundits, like we the fans sometimes do. And I tell you that because I was big into the Redskins getting a WR or getting Chad Johnson, thinking that this was the piece that the Redskins needed (a deep threat and/or a possession receiver). Well, all of us that thought this were dead wrong, since it turned out that our offensive line was falling apart.

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When you have as many needs as we have it's hard to address them all with really good players in one year. Plus I think we were thrown a curve with the whole JT thing. I think we've made some improvements but I don't think we're done yet.

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[quote=Ruhskins;534939][B]Ah gotcha. I think the problem is that...well I don't know if the FO listened too much to the sports pundits, like we the fans sometimes do. And I tell you that because I was big into the Redskins getting a WR or getting Chad Johnson, thinking that this was the piece that the Redskins needed (a deep threat and/or a possession receiver). [B]Well, all of us that thought this were dead wrong,[/B] since it turned out that our offensive line was falling apart.[/B][/quote]

No not wrong at all IMO. We did need that kind of standout possession receiver and 20/20 kinda seems like we'd been better off getting that talent in FA (last offseason) and using the '08 draft to build the lines. Don't know if Ocho was the answer but just a guy, like what we got in Moss, who could come in and be an immediate factor, which rookie WRs rarely are. I remember thinking after the '07 playoff loss we needed help at WR... but I basically assumed there was no question about the o-line needing new blood.