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[quote=over the mountain;676676]my girl is one of the 32 million without health insurance.

shes 30, works 2 jobs, has high blood pressure and is anemic.

last year she fell and busted her eye/head open. with no insurance, we couldnt take her to the hospital. i watched her carefully for a few days. 3 days after the fall, she fainted, fell, was psitting up blood. i rushed her to the hospital. the doctors wanted to do all types of tests since there was a traumatic head injury. (that actor's wife just died from a minor head injury skiing). we told them our situation and had to decline anything but the most necessary treatments. she gets released from the hospital in a few hours. we get a 10k bill.

the past year she has been having sudden episodes where her heartbeat increases to a fevered pitch, you can feel her heart pounding against her chest cavity. she gets very weak, has trouble breathing, fights to stay conscious. since she doesnt have health insurance, all i can do is hold her while she is lumped on the ground for the half hour or so the attacks take. it is frightening as hell to have your loved one potentially dying in your arms and you cant do anything aobut it b/c we cant afford $200 + a month for health insurance for her.

she eventually did get health insurance a few months ago but all she could afford is a health plan that doesnt pay a cent until she has paid over $10,000 for medical services per year. which, of course doesnt help.

to you all with health insurance, living a nice life, think aobut some of us who work hard, pay our own way thru life but still cant afford the out of control costs of health care.

reading that blue cross has increased their charges without explanation pisses me off. this is a game they are playing, trying to maintain their stanglehold on the price of health.

this bill isnt about you guys and girls who have health insurance. its about the 30 year old girl working 2 jobs, getting no govt assistance, who cant afford health care b/c health insurance companies got it nice and cozy right now and they dont want that to change.[/quote]

There are other ways to go about that than forcing me to pay for your girl's doctor bills.

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im all ears for some options TTE, fire away buddy.

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[quote=over the mountain;676676]my girl is one of the 32 million without health insurance.

shes 30, works 2 jobs, has high blood pressure and is anemic.

last year she fell and busted her eye/head open. with no insurance, we couldnt take her to the hospital. i watched her carefully for a few days. 3 days after the fall, she fainted, fell, was psitting up blood. i rushed her to the hospital. the doctors wanted to do all types of tests since there was a traumatic head injury. (that actor's wife just died from a minor head injury skiing). we told them our situation and had to decline anything but the most necessary treatments. she gets released from the hospital in a few hours. we get a 10k bill.

the past year she has been having sudden episodes where her heartbeat increases to a fevered pitch, you can feel her heart pounding against her chest cavity. she gets very weak, has trouble breathing, fights to stay conscious. since she doesnt have health insurance, all i can do is hold her while she is lumped on the ground for the half hour or so the attacks take. it is frightening as hell to have your loved one potentially dying in your arms and you cant do anything aobut it b/c we cant afford $200 + a month for health insurance for her.

she eventually did get health insurance a few months ago but all she could afford is a health plan that doesnt pay a cent until she has paid over $10,000 for medical services per year. which, of course doesnt help.

to you all with health insurance, living a nice life, think aobut some of us who work hard, pay our own way thru life but still cant afford the out of control costs of health care.

reading that blue cross has increased their charges without explanation pisses me off. this is a game they are playing, trying to maintain their stanglehold on the price of health.

this bill isnt about you guys and girls who have health insurance. its about the 30 year old girl working 2 jobs, getting no govt assistance, who cant afford health care b/c health insurance companies got it nice and cozy right now and they dont want that to change.[/quote]

Wow, very sorry to read of your girl’s condition. My wife and I have been out of work way too long and we often fear situations similar to yours. Very anxious times here in our home with two kids to care for also. Yet, Trample The Elderly’s comments reflect the true paradox of this whole health care bill: Is it fair to everyone else to carry the financial burden of the uninsured? There must be another way, but I'll probably be taking a dirt nap when it's discovered.

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TTE, if your house were burning down, my money would help to pay for the fire department to save your stuff.

If you were robbed, my money would pay for law enforcement so that you can get justice.

But I'm gonna draw the line regarding my money when it comes to your living a healthy life?

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Ram it down their throats. We got the trump card to pull out this summer. LOL!!!!

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[quote=over the mountain;676676]
to you all with health insurance, living a nice life, think aobut some of us who work hard, pay our own way thru life but still cant afford the out of control costs of health care.

reading that blue cross has increased their charges without explanation pisses me off. this is a game they are playing, trying to maintain their stanglehold on the price of health.

this bill isnt about you guys and girls who have health insurance. its about the 30 year old girl working 2 jobs, getting no govt assistance, who cant afford health care b/c health insurance companies got it nice and cozy right now and they dont want that to change.[/quote]

Your tale is not just tragic, it is shameful. We, the greatest nation on earth, allow our citizens to face such situations. As a country we should be ashamed that we cannot provide a measure of health care for everyone.

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The system is seriously flawed. I hope everyone can at least agree on that.

People shouldn't have to go into serious debt over a medical condition that is out of their control. Shameful indeed.

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[quote=Lotus;676691]TTE, if your house were burning down, my money would help to pay for the fire department to save your stuff.

If you were robbed, my money would pay for law enforcement so that you can get justice.

But I'm gonna draw the line regarding my money when it comes to your living a healthy life?[/quote]

The line is I have the freedom to buy home owner's insurance. I can buy a premium plan or none at all depending on the local laws. My life is my responsibilty and mine alone.

Also, I don't depend on the fire or police department to safe guard my property and life.

It has been said that Americans are spoiled. Some people are I guess. To think that you're going to go through life without pain and suffering, well . . believe what you want.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;676704]The line is I have the freedom to buy home owner's insurance. I can buy a premium plan or none at all depending on the local laws. My life is my responsibilty and mine alone.

Also, [B]I don't depend on the fire or police department to safe guard my property and life. [/B]

It has been said that Americans are spoiled. Some people are I guess. To think that you're going to go through life without pain and suffering, well . . believe what you want.[/quote]

If your house is seriously in flames, you are not going to call the fire department? If some thugs are clearly bent on breaking into your house and harming your family, you are not going to call the cops? Really?

You are going to fight al Qaeda alone, and you don't get any help from tax-paid government security in the fight against terrorism? Really?

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[quote=over the mountain;676686]im all ears for some options TTE, fire away buddy.[/quote]

What did our grandparents do when something happened to them? They leaned on each other. Governments come and go, families and friends are the ultimate safety net.

One: Let people buy health insurance over state lines. Hell, let Americans buy foreign insurance if they want. You want choices right?

Two: We as the citizenry don't have to let corporations keep their charters. If they're found to be price gouging, revoke them.

Three: Bust the trusts.

Four: Stop running the dollar into the ground. If our dollars were worth more, then you could buy more health insurance. Maybe doctors would come to see the sick again instead of vice versa. My doctor takes cold hard cash. That's all that I have.

It baffles me how many people place their faith in government. You want to talk about the quality of life. Governments are the leading cause of unnatural death throughout human history. Remember Iraq, Vietnam, Cash for Clunkers, Social Security? That's the government hard at work. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

If you need some money for your gal, kids, or whatever; send me a PM. I'll give you all that I can. When you get the government to take it from me without my consent, you're just a thief. That's what it boils down to IMO, no matter how many good intentions or how much self-justification is presented.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;676704]The line is I have the freedom to buy home owner's insurance. I can buy a premium plan or none at all depending on the local laws. My life is my responsibilty and mine alone.

Also, I don't depend on the fire or police department to safe guard my property and life.

It has been said that Americans are spoiled. Some people are I guess. To think that you're going to go through life without pain and suffering, well . . believe what you want.[/quote]

tramp, i hear ya, as men we can defend our home from potential robbers, we can fight off guys looking to harm our family, we can spray the fire extinguisher under our kitcen sink but what we cant do is play doctor and make someones heart better. we cant scan our womans brain for possible blood cloats in our living room.

trust me, as a guy, it sucks not being able to do something when a loved one is in trouble.

you said i have other options, what are they?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;676716]

If you need some money for your gal, kids, or whatever; send me a PM. I'll give you all that I can. When you get the government to take it from me without my consent, you're just a thief. That's what it boils down to IMO, no matter how many good intentions or how much self-justification is presented.[/quote]

thanks brother, honestly, but im not one to take a handout either. (i know what your thinking, but this bill is a hand out of my money etc..)

theres only so much bayer can do.

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[quote=Lotus;676707]If your house is seriously in flames, you are not going to call the fire department? If some thugs are clearly bent on breaking into your house and harming your family, you are not going to call the cops? Really?

You are going to fight al Qaeda alone, and you don't get any help from tax-paid government security in the fight against terrorism? Really?[/quote]

That house on fire analogy is a talking point that they use for people who watch television and subscribe to FED brainwashing like good little Germans. When I see a politician move his lips, I know he's lying.

If my house burns to the ground so be it. What your asking everyone else to do is to buy me a new one. That's what insurance is for. If I don't have it, oh effing well.

If criminals break into my house, Oh God I wish they would, it will be the last house they break into. Ignore everything else I say, believe that. I've dogs, an AK, and my neighbors do too. Nothing would get my rocks off further than pumping round after round into some low life scum. The police, please . . . Richmond used to be #1 in murder. Do you think I'd entrust my life to a bunch of keystone cops? Cops are social janitors. They draw chalk lines around your body when you're dead. Sometimes they find the person who did it. Sometimes not.

I wouldn't use Al Qaida as an example. That's the biggest criminally negligent eff up in US history.

That's a good point. The dumb asses that allowed 9/11 to happen are the same ones that want to take over your health insurance. Stellar idea y'all.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;676724]That house on fire analogy is a talking point that they use for people who watch television and subscribe to FED brainwashing like good little Germans. When I see a politician move his lips, I know he's lying.

If my house burns to the ground so be it. What your asking everyone else to do is to buy me a new one. That's what insurance is for. If I don't have it, oh effing well.

If criminals break into my house, Oh God I wish they would, it will be the last house they break into. Ignore everything else I say, believe that. I've dogs, an AK, and my neighbors do too. Nothing would get my rocks off further than pumping round after round into some low life scum. The police, please . . . Richmond used to be #1 in murder. Do you think I'd entrust my life to a bunch of keystone cops? Cops are social janitors. They draw chalk lines around your body when you're dead. Sometimes they find the person who did it. Sometimes not.

I wouldn't use Al Qaida as an example. That's the biggest criminally negligent eff up in US history.

That's a good point. The dumb asses that allowed 9/11 to happen are the same ones that want to take over your health insurance. Stellar idea y'all.[/quote]

You twisted my examples. I think we both know that if your house were actively burning (not already burned completely) but too much for you to handle alone, you'd call the fire department. Otherwise you'd be a complete idiot, which you are not.

My example of thugs (that's plural) was intended to convey the idea that you are outnumbered and cannot defend your loved ones by yourself, regardless of your firearms. In this case you would call the police, because otherwise you'd be a complete idiot, which you are not.

So, back to brass tacks: I already pay so that you can call for that help. If I then refuse to pay so that you can live a normal healthy life, I'm drawing a very arbitrary line.

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[quote=over the mountain;676717]tramp, i hear ya, as men we can defend our home from potential robbers, we can fight off guys looking to harm our family, we can spray the fire extinguisher under our kitcen sink but what we cant do is play doctor and make someones heart better. we cant scan our womans brain for possible blood cloats in our living room.

trust me, as a guy, it sucks not being able to do something when a loved one is in trouble.

you said i have other options, what are they?[/quote]

I understand what you're saying. No man wants to throw in the towel. When my buddy was dying of hepatitis there was nothing I could do. It was in God's hands, or providence, or the dice? Whatever! I couldn't stop him from dying. In those situations we reach out in desperation for answers and solutions. We're willing to do things we wouldn't normally do.

Me, I'd rather take than beg, but that's just ego. If I had to, I'd dig ditches and shovel manure before someone I loved went without.

Have you considered the option that our system could actually get worse? Haven't you been listening to the horror stories coming out of England. Once someone gets into a system, they're numbers. You're just a statistic that can be written off. Have you considered the fact that a beuaracrat might just write off your gal because she costs too much money?

Options:

Do you go to church? My friend's child recently died of HDH. He's just a butcher and doesn't make much. His church teamed up with a Catholic Org and paid for a lot of the treatments. In the end it didn't matter. No matter how much money they threw at it. It wasn't enough.

Have you asked the Shriners? They can point you into the right direction. They help people and don't ask anything in return.

Do you have any friends or family that you could hit up for money? I know it sucks but eff pride. I'd rather have my loved ones than my ego.

What about the WP? I've done favors for people on here and a few people have hooked me up too.

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Is it really too much to ask for a functional & affordable health care system for all? Is that too much to expect from this great nation??

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[quote=Lotus;676728]You twisted my examples. I think we both know that if your house were actively burning (not already burned completely) but too much for you to handle alone, you'd call the fire department. Otherwise you'd be a complete idiot, which you are not.

My example of thugs (that's plural) was intended to convey the idea that you [B]are outnumbered and cannot defend your loved ones by yourself[/B], regardless of your firearms. In this case you would call the police, because otherwise you'd be a complete idiot, which you are not.

So, back to brass tacks: I already pay so that you can call for that help. If I then refuse to pay so that you can live a normal healthy life, I'm drawing a very arbitrary line.[/quote]

No, I got your points. I'm not geared to think that way. I don't trust anyone and expect everyone to take advantage of me. To put my faith in good intentions or trust is asking to be taken advantage of.

You missed my points. When you ask the government to come to the rescue, don't be surprised when they never go home. They'll eat out of your refrigerator, eye-ball your wife, and drink up your good yak; all for your own good of course.

Ha! You're never outnumbered if you have an AK. You just don't understand how cheap 7.62 is. Check out Cheaper Than Dirt online. You'll see.

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[quote=Mattyk;676742]Is it really too much to ask for a functional & affordable health care system for all? Is that too much to expect from this great nation??[/quote]

Sure. Pull out the troops from all over the globe. Fix SS, Medicaid, and Medicare. Oh, and take care of that pesky looming insolvency issue too. Then we can talk.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;676745]No, I got your points. I'm not geared to think that way. I don't trust anyone and expect everyone to take advantage of me. To put my faith in good intentions or trust is asking to be taken advantage of.

You missed my points. When you ask the government to come to the rescue, don't be surprised when they never go home. They'll eat out of your refrigerator, eye-ball your wife, and drink up your good yak; all for your own good of course.

Ha! You're never outnumbered if you have an AK. You just don't understand how cheap 7.62 is. Check out Cheaper Than Dirt online. You'll see.[/quote]

It is difficult to be more mistrusting of the government than I am. I am fiercely independent politically because I trust no politicians and the higher up the ladder they are, the less I will trust them. I am not arguing to trust the government.

But the point is we are already required by law to financially support government programs. And in an emergency you will take advantage of this situation. My tax money enables you to do so. Given this, if I say that I will pay for your fire protection, but won't pay for your health protection, I am drawing an utterly arbitrary line.

Let me put this differently: you already argued that you would help others in need, such as Over the Mountain. National health care will simply normalize this situation so that those in need will get the help. It is actually not much different from what you have argued in terms of people in a community sticking together.

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[quote=Lotus;676754]It is difficult to be more mistrusting of the government than I am. I am fiercely independent politically because I trust no politicians and the higher up the ladder they are, the less I will trust them. I am not arguing to trust the government.

But the point is we are already required by law to financially support government programs. And in an emergency you will take advantage of this situation. My tax money enables you to do so. Given this, if I say that I will pay for your fire protection, but won't pay for your health protection, I am drawing an utterly arbitrary line.

Let me put this differently: you already argued that you would help others in need, such as Over the Mountain. National health care will simply normalize this situation so that those in need will get the help. It is actually not much different from what you have argued in terms of people in a community sticking together.[/quote]

You can't have it both ways! You sound like a Neo-con talking about Jesus and then dropping bombs on people without a declaration of war. You can't sit here and tell me the government is corrupt and you don't trust them, except for this issue. It doesn't work that way. I pay the police and fire dept with my local taxes. I have a say in who the chiefs are. I can go to the county supervisor and have them removed. They are held accountable for their actions.

In the end it doesn't matter. My governor and state legislature has told Obama and Congress to eat a dick. I'm not paying. When that BS bill gets passed, we're filling a lawsuit on the twisted sisters in Washington. End of discussion.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;676735]
Have you considered the option that our system could actually get worse? Haven't you been listening to the horror stories coming out of England. Once someone gets into a system, they're numbers. You're just a statistic that can be written off. Have you considered the fact that a beuaracrat might just write off your gal because she costs too much money?

.[/quote]

you mean like when her wisdom teeth were coming in and made her cheeks swell up so bad she was sent home from work a month ago? we called around, found discounted assistance from balt city health and humane.

all we had to do was be one of the first 8 people in line on every thurs and only thurs at 8 am at this clinic with 30 bucks and proof of city residence. thats 8 people a week, at 2 clinics for all of baltimore city residents. the lady said be there early and if you dont make it, try next week. lol

idk man, im probably saying too much here, she works 2 jobs, i have a 9-5 then do hourly work on the side.

things are tough right now, sorry to be a debbie downer.

we are bbq'n this weekend, gonna have a good time, to nice out to dwell on this crap. back yard is cleaned up, the dogs are loving it. terps play tonight. woot woot!

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Well I was taking a break from working on the boat and was checking to see if bribe care has been voted on yet. I guess hey are still bribing people for some more votes.

For the ones who think its the insurance companies that are the biggest problem here you really need to look at the numbers. The insurance companies average a profit of around 2.5 to 6.5 %. So if the companies reduced premiums so they could break even in the best case it would save a family 65 dollars a month if they are paying a 1,000 per month. Sorry that not going to fix anything and all these mandates they are going to add will only increase health ins. The facts are is that the goverment will make this worse which I think is their goal just so they can force us into goverment health care. This whole debate has nothing to do with health care it has to do with gaining power.

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Looks like the final vote will go down around 8 PM this evening.

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[quote=firstdown;677010]Well I was taking a break from working on the boat and was checking to see if bribe care has been voted on yet. I guess hey are still bribing people for some more votes.

For the ones who think its [B]the insurance companies that are the biggest[/B] [B]problem[/B] here you really need to look at the numbers. The insurance companies average a profit of around 2.5 to 6.5 %. So if the companies reduced premiums so they could break even in the best case it would save a family 65 dollars a month if they are paying a 1,000 per month. Sorry that not going to fix anything and all these mandates they are going to add will only increase health ins. The facts are is that the goverment will make this worse which I think is their goal just so they can force us into goverment health care. This whole debate has nothing to do with health care it has to do with gaining power.[/quote]
i think that they are one of the biggest problems in the equation. there is no way i want an insurance company telling me what i can, and cannot do as far as my health. and that's exactly what we have now. and im not sure where you got your numbers, but the CEO of Blue Cross just got a big time bonus

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[quote=Lotus;676754]But the point is we are already required by law to financially support government programs. And in an emergency you will take advantage of this situation. My tax money enables you to do so. Given this, if I say that I will pay for your fire protection, but won't pay for your health protection, I am drawing an utterly arbitrary line.
[/quote]Police and Fire are locally funded (State/county/city etc.) as they should be, not by the fed. Many states/localities have balanced budget requirements. You can also move to a different state if the taxes are too high or the services aren't what you want. Much harder to move out of the country.

And if theives break into a home, the police won't do anything but file a report (which is needed for insurance also), they won't stop the intruder.

Most conservatives understand our system needs some fixes, which have been proposed, not to be taken over and administered by the Fed. As firstdown said, this isn't about healthcare, it's a powerplay by the Dems to make people more dependent on gov't, further entrench themselves in office, and further into our wallets. It's being rammed through now because in Nov. 2010 it won't be possible to get it through.

Over the mountain, I feel very bad for your situation, here's some links that may provide useful info. One is from NIH, they were very helpful for my father when he was I'll with a brain tumor. At that time, my family was in a similar situation financially, not poor enough for gov't programs but didn't have enough to pay for health insurance.

[url=http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/financialassistance.html]Financial Assistance: MedlinePlus[/url]

[URL]http://www.nachc.com/[/URL]

[url=http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/Alliance?allid=Goo18811&sid=022710-c-40]Health Insurance - Buy Medical Insurance Plans Online, Affordable Health Insurance Quotes[/url]

[url=http://www.rxassist.org/]RxAssist - Patient Assistance Programs[/url]

Good luck and God Bless.

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Blue Cross executives' compensation soars as controversy rages over health insurance premium increases
By: Mike Colias March 15, 2010
Executives at Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Illinois' corporate parent pocketed big bonuses last year, as more people lost health insurance and rising premiums put insurers at the center of a political maelstrom.

Patricia Hemingway Hall, CEO of Health Care Service Corp., saw her total compensation jump 62% in 2009, to $8.7 million, according to a recent company regulatory filing. Predecessor Ray McCaskey's $15.7-million payment was bonus compensation built up in the years preceding his 2008 retirement. He served as CEO of the Chicago-based holding company for Blue Cross plans in Illinois, Texas, Oklahoma and New Mexico for 16 years.

All of the non-profit insurer's top 10 executives saw total compensation jump at least 48% — it more than doubled for six of them — thanks to large bonuses. The company revised its bonus program "to reflect current market-competitive talent practices," according to a statement. It pegs bonuses to goals for membership and earnings growth, and for keeping a lid on administrative costs.

"To manage a business of this size and complexity, our compensation must be competitive to attract the industry's best and brightest," the company says.

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[quote=dmek25;677035]i think that they are one of the biggest problems in the equation.[B] there is no way i want an insurance company telling me what i can, and cannot do as far as my health[/B]. and that's exactly what we have now. and im not sure where you got your numbers, but the CEO of Blue Cross just got a big time bonus[/quote]
Well now the government will tell you what you can and cannot do with your health

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[IMG]http://www.chicagobusiness.com/images/random/Blue-Cross-execs-compensation.jpg[/IMG]
if this isn't obscene, i don't know what is

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[quote=dmek25;677035]i think that they are one of the biggest problems in the equation. [B]there is no way i want an insurance company telling me what i can, and cannot do as far as my health.[/B] and that's exactly what we have now. and im not sure where you got your numbers, but the CEO of Blue Cross just got a big time bonus[/quote]If you have health insurance, that's happening already. You can always switch health insurance companies. If the Fed takes over, what you're being told about your health will be a lot more restrictive and you can't just change at that point.

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The sight of Pelosi walking around with that oversized gavel and that botox smile makes me shudder. I'm gonna puke if they get their 217.

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Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the greatest Speakers in modern day politics.

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[quote=12thMan;677050]Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the greatest Speakers in modern day politics.[/quote]If overseeing a House that has great responsibility for MASSIVE defecit spending, a huge increase in the National Debt, passage of a health bill that has less than 40% support and will be the harbinger of massive tax increases or bankrupting the federal government, quantifies "great", then you are 100% correct.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;677036]Police and Fire are locally funded (State/county/city etc.) as they should be, not by the fed. Many states/localities have balanced budget requirements. You can also move to a different state if the taxes are too high or the services aren't what you want. Much harder to move out of the country.

And if theives break into a home, the police won't do anything but file a report (which is needed for insurance also), they won't stop the intruder.

Most conservatives understand our system needs some fixes, which have been proposed, not to be taken over and administered by the Fed. [B]As firstdown said, this isn't about healthcare, it's a powerplay by the Dems to make people more dependent on gov't, further entrench themselves in office, and further into our wallets.[/B] It's being rammed through now because in Nov. 2010 it won't be possible to get it through.

Over the mountain, I feel very bad for your situation, here's some links that may provide useful info. One is from NIH, they were very helpful for my father when he was I'll with a brain tumor. At that time, my family was in a similar situation financially, not poor enough for gov't programs but didn't have enough to pay for health insurance.

[url=http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/financialassistance.html]Financial Assistance: MedlinePlus[/url]

[URL]http://www.nachc.com/[/URL]

[url=http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/Alliance?allid=Goo18811&sid=022710-c-40]Health Insurance - Buy Medical Insurance Plans Online, Affordable Health Insurance Quotes[/url]

[url=http://www.rxassist.org/]RxAssist - Patient Assistance Programs[/url]

Good luck and God Bless.[/quote]

I am fiercely independent politically and count myself as neither Republican nor Democrat. But this is all about health care. Health care needs to be completely overhauled regardless of which party is pushing it. Stories like Over the Mountain's should not exist in the greatest country on earth and do not exist in some other places. It is just this simple. If the Republicans were trying to power play health care reform on the Democrats, I'd still be all for it.

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[quote=12thMan;677050]Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the greatest Speakers in modern day politics.[/quote] What has she done in her 4 years as speaker might I ask ?
[url=http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/01/04/lapse-of-estate-tax-raises-doubts-about-democrats.html]Lapse of Estate Tax Raises Doubts About Democrats - US News and World Report[/url] ..... [url=http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/58665-debate-over-estate-tax-likely-to-wait-until-2010]Debate over estate tax likely to wait till 2010 - TheHill.com[/url] . Nice post SS33 , Ms Pelosi also wants Americans to give 55 % , or $ 550,000 on one million dollars in inheritance . Cuban's at one time thought Castro was going to go down as the " greatest " , no I'am not comparing the Speaker to PC , just that we are now writing the same types of legislation . I hope if this bill gets signed into law it is as good as they say .... or we are E'FFD .

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;677062]If overseeing a House that has great responsibility for MASSIVE defecit spending, a huge increase in the National Debt, passage of a health bill that has less than 40% support and will be the harbinger of massive tax increases or bankrupting the federal government, quantifies "great", then you are 100% correct.[/quote]

I see you've used the typical buzz words: "deficit", "tax increases", and "government".

But you fail to point out how the C.B.O. scored this bill and said it will reduce the deficit by, oh, $130 billion in the first 10 years and a little of a trillion in the second ten years.

The Stimulus Bill, a third of which was tax cuts, contained one of the largest tax cuts in history for the middle class. Or the jobs bill, which also passed under Nancy Pelosi's leadership, contains another $15-17 billion in tax breaks.
So the "tax and spend" spin just doesn't square with the major pieces of legislations that Nancy Pelosi has steered through the House. It just doesn't.

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By the way, I have no desire to reply to each post in defense of Nancy Pelosi or the healthcare bill, for that matter. But I felt it was necessary to push back a little on the portrayal of Nancy Pelosi as incompetent and a tax and spend liberal.

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Pelosi is many things. Incompetent is not one of them. Tax & spend liberal on the other hand ...

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[url=http://www.cnsnews.com/news/print/43924]CNSNews.com - Massive Tax Increases Loom as Democrats Begin to Talk Fiscal Responsibility[/url] looks like we might have tax increase's ...

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[quote=12thMan;677050]Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the greatest Speakers in modern day politics.[/quote]

i've said it before and i'll say it again, obama will go down as the worse president in the history of this great nation. he fooled alot of people into voting for him with his good reading of a telaprompter. people are now realizing they made a huge mistake in voting for this idiot. thats why he and the dummycrats need to push this bill through because every day that goes by more and more people are seeing obama for what he really is.

as for nancy, she's just a puppet for obama. her fall will be almost as mighty as obamas.

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[quote=12thMan;677071]By the way, I have no desire to reply to each post in defense of Nancy Pelosi or the healthcare bill, for that matter. But I felt it was necessary to push back a little on the portrayal of Nancy Pelosi as incompetent and a tax and spend liberal.[/quote]By no means is Pelosi incompetent. She's pushing forward her and the left's agenda to move the U.S. towards Euorpean socialism, by any means necessary.