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[quote=53Fan;639857]Thanks C! Cooley makes how he feels about Zorn, JC, and some others known on his blog.[/quote]

Don't know about Zorn, but he's got a great pic of Megan Fox further down, so it was worth checking out the link.

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If Bill Cowher goes to Carolina, I wouldn't mind seeing John Fox coach the Skins.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;639860]Don't know about Zorn,[B] but he's got a great pic of Megan Fox further down[/B], so it was worth checking out the link.[/quote]

Thanks for the tip. How'd I miss that? :eek: Wow! Well when he talks about the guys rallying and playing under this coaching staff, I took that to include Zorn. ;)

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Lets say that we get Shanahan, according to Peter King (sometimes right/sometimes not right) he says that
• ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. From Ben of Bowie, Md.: "Peter, I'm a Skins fan with no delusions -- Jim Zorn is getting the axe at the end of the season. But with the Skins playing competitive football, what do you think are the chances of other elements of the team staying intact? Greg Blache's defense and Jason Campbell come to mind.''

Well, I'll tell you this -- if Mike Shanahan gets the job, he's bringing [B]Bob Slowik [/B]in as defensive coordinator, and I'm pretty sure he'll use a draft choice to pick and then develop his long-term quarterback. But I could see another coach, an offensive-minded coach, keeping Blache, who is an excellent coach with the strong backing of his men.

Campbell? Very good question. He's shown excellent progress in the last month. But my feeling is the 'Skins will move on from him. They have an itchy quarterback trigger finger. They wanted Jay Cutler. They wanted Mark Sanchez. With a good crop of your passers available come April, I think they'll want one of the young kids.

I was wondering who the hell this Bob Slowik guy is, and if he can keep our defense at the top in the NFL like we are with Blache, or is he a very conservative DC?

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Honestly, I don't know who I want or who the skins NEED as our DC, OC, or Head Coach. This is exactly why I KNOW that the smartest thing we can do is hire someone who does know these things. Hiring a real GM should be our top priority, PERIOD...all other player, personnel, or scheming discussions should be secondary.

I do have an idea of who I want to be the owner. I had a crazy, far-fetched dream last night that Dan Snyder decided to sell the team to...the city of DC (with decision making responsibilities going to Joe Gibbs). I know this has a snowball's chance in hell of happening but its fun to wonder...

(Note: I once had a dream that Peyton Manning was traded to the Skins)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;640425]Lets say that we get Shanahan, according to Peter King (sometimes right/sometimes not right) he says that
• ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. From Ben of Bowie, Md.: "Peter, I'm a Skins fan with no delusions -- Jim Zorn is getting the axe at the end of the season. But with the Skins playing competitive football, what do you think are the chances of other elements of the team staying intact? Greg Blache's defense and Jason Campbell come to mind.''

Well, I'll tell you this -- if Mike Shanahan gets the job, he's bringing [B]Bob Slowik [/B]in as defensive coordinator, and I'm pretty sure he'll use a draft choice to pick and then develop his long-term quarterback. But I could see another coach, an offensive-minded coach, keeping Blache, who is an excellent coach with the strong backing of his men.

Campbell? Very good question. He's shown excellent progress in the last month. But my feeling is the 'Skins will move on from him. They have an itchy quarterback trigger finger. They wanted Jay Cutler. They wanted Mark Sanchez. With a good crop of your passers available come April, I think they'll want one of the young kids.

I was wondering who the hell this Bob Slowik guy is, and if he can keep our defense at the top in the NFL like we are with Blache, or is he a very conservative DC?[/quote]

It'd be ironic if Slowik replaced Blache, since Blache replaced him in Chicago. But he is the favorite to join Shanahan wherever he goes. I don't know enough about his philosophy quite honestly

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[quote=SmootSmack;640510]It'd be ironic if Slowik replaced Blache, since Blache replaced him in Chicago. But he is the favorite to join Shanahan wherever he goes. I don't know enough about his philosophy quite honestly[/quote]


I wouldn't mind if another (qualfied of course) DC came in. I really like Blache and I think he is great but I also think that this defense could be more disruptive with the talent that they have.

They are getting burned on long pass plays anyway, might as well throw an exotic blitz in that would give us defensive TD once in a blue moon.

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I wonder what GG could have done with the DL talent we have now.

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From Mort's chat today on our coaching situation:
How much longer will Dan Snyders Bromance with Cerato continue? Most agree it is time for him to leave DC.
Chris Mortensen (11:15 AM)

Well, there's going to be a new coach and odds are it's Mike Shanahan. The coach will be in charge. Joe Gibbs had no problems with Cerrato. Gibbs had final authority. Shanahan - or whoever - will have final authority. And the Redskins do have talent.

Mort has pretty consistently put Shanny here. Until I hear it more definitively from Schefter I won't start to buy into it being a certainty. Shanny and Schefty are tight so if there's a scoop to be had, he will get it. I'd expect things to wrap up pretty quickly after the final game though.

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A lot of people in the know seem to think Shanahan is a lock.

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[quote=Mattyk72;640570]A lot of people in the know seem to think Shanahan is a lock.[/quote]

It is probably the best possible outcome at this point because I highly doubt that our next coach will not have a super bowl ring.

I don't think Shannahan is the best GM but it would seem a WC guy would bring continuity on some level as far as the offense.

Now watch the coach bring in a 3-4 guy and our defense goes to hell...

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[quote=Mattyk72;640570]A lot of people in the know seem to think Shanahan is a lock.[/quote]

Odds on favorite for sure. Lock? Not sure about that. But maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part

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A month ago when Dallas was playing well and the pillsbury dough boy seemed likely to stay on as HC in dallas - Shanahan probably did seem like a near lock. but If Dallas fires Phillips, I think all bets are off. As disgusting a thought as it may be to imagine, any skins fan wanting Shananan should be rooting for Dallas to win atleast one playoff game.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;640618]A month ago when Dallas was playing well and the pillsbury dough boy seemed likely to stay on as HC in dallas - Shanahan probably did seem like a near lock. but If Dallas fires Phillips, I think all bets are off. As disgusting a thought as it may be to imagine, any skins fan wanting Shananan should be rooting for Dallas to win atleast one playoff game.[/quote]

Don't assume Dallas will make it. This is December.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;640618]A month ago when Dallas was playing well and the pillsbury dough boy seemed likely to stay on as HC in dallas - Shanahan probably did seem like a near lock. but If Dallas fires Phillips, I think all bets are off. As disgusting a thought as it may be to imagine, any skins fan wanting Shananan should be rooting for Dallas to win atleast one playoff game.[/quote]

Also don't assume Shanahan will be an option in Dallas. I was talking to a friend in the Dallas media recently about that and he said that Jerry is less likely to do that since he's got lots of money/debt tied up in the stadium and is not inclined to pay a coach $8-10 million like Shanahan will command. Also, he may not want to give up as much control as he did to Parcells, which Shanahan will also command.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;640619]Don't assume Dallas will make it. This is December.[/quote]

I don't assume they will - i'm just saying if you (general you, not you specifically) want Shanahan here, then you better hope they make some noise.

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[quote=Paintrain;640655]Also don't assume Shanahan will be an option in Dallas. I was talking to a friend in the Dallas media recently about that and he said that Jerry is less likely to do that since he's got lots of money/debt tied up in the stadium and is not inclined to pay a coach $8-10 million like Shanahan will command. [B]Also, he may not want to give up as much control as he did to Parcells, which Shanahan will also command[/B].[/quote]

Excellent point. However, didn't jones take a "back seat" when he had Parcells?

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[quote=Paintrain;640655]Also don't assume Shanahan will be an option in Dallas. I was talking to a friend in the Dallas media recently about that and he said that Jerry is less likely to do that since he's got lots of money/debt tied up in the stadium and is not inclined to pay a coach $8-10 million like Shanahan will command. Also, he may not want to give up as much control as he did to Parcells, which Shanahan will also command.[/quote]

Good point on the stadium. Hadn't thought about that. I still think he's a favorite though there. With San Diego about to give (unless they already did) Norv a contract extension, I think Dallas, DC, and Houston are the favorites. In that order

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[quote=SmootSmack;640673]Good point on the stadium. Hadn't thought about that. I still think he's a favorite though there. With San Diego about to give (unless they already did) Norv a contract extension, I think Dallas, DC, and Houston are the favorites. In that order[/quote]

You think Jason stays if Shanny comes here?

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[quote=12thMan;640676]You think Jason stays if Shanny comes here?[/quote]

No idea. I mean Shanahan did pass on the chance to draft Campbell back in 2005. But that was probably more so because of what he got in return.

I would guess that if they are in a spot at the end of the year to draft Bradford (and maybe Clausen) in the first round then maybe they will let Campbell go. But I don't think they will be, and they will keep Campbell.

As I mentioned in this thread, or maybe another (I can't remember now), that Campbell's agent and the Redskins FO are allegedly secretly talking about an extension. I don't know if that's true. Alls I know is the last time I heard something like that from the same source it was about Betts getting a contract extension....and a few weeks later he did.

But it doesn't make much sense then for the team to be talking about extending Campbell if Shanahan isn't on board with the team, but might be soon.

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What happened to the love affair with Jason Garrett? How quickly Jerah forgets.

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[quote=FRPLG;640680]What happened to the love affair with Jason Garrett? How quickly Jerah forgets.[/quote]

Maybe we'll take Jason Garrett?

Seriously though, Garrett's star has fallen but if Shanahan isn't the guy in Dallas it wouldn't surprise me if Garrett is. And if Shanahan is, Garrett I'm sure will be a head coach somewhere else in 2010.

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I really hope Shanahan doesn't come here. How many defensive coordinators did he go through in Denver? How is it that he leaves, Cutler is right behind him, in comes some punk kid who only has a job cause of Tom Brady, he brings in Kyle Orton who stinks, also brings in Mr. Vanilla Ice Cream and they're most likely going to make the playoffs with an improved defense. Now how does that happen? Shanahan will fit in well here cause he's always going to go for the quick fix free agents just like he did in Denver. And in the end that's what got him fired.

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[quote=SmootSmack;640685]Maybe we'll take Jason Garrett?

Seriously though, Garrett's star has fallen but if Shanahan isn't the guy in Dallas it wouldn't surprise me if Garrett is. And if Shanahan is, [B]Garrett I'm[/B] [B]sure will be a head coach somewhere else in 2010[/B].[/quote]
im not sure about that. he was red hot about 2 years ago. his play calling is VERY questionable

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[quote=dmek25;640689]im not sure about that. he was red hot about 2 years ago. his play calling is VERY questionable[/quote]

I agree with you there. I could see him getting promoted in Dallas if Jones wants to be cheap - he couldnt be any worse than Phillips - but I don't see him getting serious consideration anywhere else. If i'm not mistaken, the guy wasnt even interviewed for any of the HC vacancies in the last offseason. Additionally, if he were really "all that," Parcells would have hired him instead of Sparano in Miami.

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Looks like Adam S. thinks Shanny is leaning away from the Boys and maybe towards the Skins.

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[quote=12thMan;640742]Looks like Adam S. thinks Shanny is leaning away from the Boys and maybe towards the Skins.[/quote]

Really? Well you won't find a better source than him on Shanahan.

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I hope things workout these last three games & Zorn stays. Knocking the Blowboys out of the playoffs would be great.

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[quote=Bigreds77;640745][B]I hope things workout these last three games & Zorn stays. [/B]Knocking the Blowboys out of the playoffs would be great.[/quote]

.....OMFG.....

For once I have to agree with B-Bitch. If Zorn is all that good then why did we bring in Sherm Lewis and if Zorn is the master behind the last few games we have won then why are we keeping Sherm Lewis on the roster and most likely paying him a good salary?

We absolutely sucked with Zorn actually leading this team. Zorn totally believed that his system was not the problem nor his play calling. A good HC has to realize when something is not working and fix or change things. During Gibbs1 his first year he started out 0-5, he admits he had to take a look at his system and change it to work for his players he had on the team. He was inovative in many ways but one was the single back system. After Gibbs1 altered his system the team ended 8-8. The following year Gibbs1 actually got better and went 9-7 or better. This is the complete opposite with Zorn. His system does not have flaws, his play calling does not have flaws, basically it's completely the players fault with their execution. It took Sherm Lewis to come in and tweek what we had in order to get us to finally scoring over 20 points a game. The last two we have scored over 30 points a game.

B-Bitch commented on the fact people are saying that finally the players have bought into Zorn's system and finally the OL is starting to gel after 2 years in the system.....guess what Levi Jones has not been in the system very long, Dockery has not been in the system very long, the RG has not been in the system very long. The only one who has is Heyer at RT.

It's not rocket science to know Sherm Lewis is the key to what we are doing great at this point. Also keep in mind Lewis was actually in San Fran coaching under Walsh so he knows the system first hand like Holmgren and Shanahan. Zorn can't say that. B-Bitch also pointed out that during the last few games we are finally seeing a true WCO. Usually the RB only gets maybe 10-15 carries a game according to him, but Zorn was trying to be balanced and give Portis 25-40 carries a game. Clearly Zorn is not HCing material.

I can understand if you are saying "hey lets cut Zorn and make Sherm Lewis our HC", but I didn't get that from your statement and I personally do not want to keep status quo with Zorn. He has no clue what he's doing other then to coach the QB's.

Having said all that I betting back in OCT when DS went to Denver and Shanahan refused to take over during the season that an agreement was made that he would take over at the season's end. The team keeps making crazy moves ...ie; bringing back Alridge to the PS which makes me wonder if some of these moves are being made cause Shanahan has asked them to make them. Especially the whole DS and VC scouting out certain QB's.

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The problem if we do bring in a another coach for next season is the team will have to learn a new system on offense and defense. Is our new coach already on the staff we have here now? I think Zorn is gone but what about hiring our coach from the defense staff such as Greg Blache or Sherm Lewis the OC? I like Greg Blache because he knows our defense so they would only get better and he couls allow Jerry Gray to be the DC. Greg Blache is Old School like Gregg Williams and takes no BS. I also believes he and DS have a good working relationship. We then could keep Sherman Lewis as our OC which would keep the offense system simular to what they run now. I'm sure it would be tweaked by Lewis and if JC stays he would not have to learn another offense system again. I dont want to bring in another coach to have to start all over again and this means our defense would change as well. I think Greg Blache deserves a shot considering Zorn was never a coordinator in the NFL and he got hired. That's just my opinion as of now. As the season ends I want to see what coaching candiates they want to interview. If we went outside our staff i like Gruden and he is not coaching next season.

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With Allen here this could be interesting I could see Chucky, Shannahan or Russ Grimm

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Hey, I didn't like Marty while he was here, but I'll take him any day over what we have now. I don't know why Zorn was such a huge failure here, and I tend to blame it all on Portis and Cerrato. With a decent O-line at the beginning of the season we might not even be talking about replacing anybody. For awhile I blamed Buges, but now that the O-line is performing better I thought we might be stuck with Vinny for next season. I'm glad Allen is taking over. As for Portis, he's toast...He talked his way out of his job...Plus he's washed up anyway!