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[quote=Gtothearry;649812]There is a report saying that Snyder is meeting with Shannahan now and Bruce will meet with him later. Sounds like bad news to have Allen out of the mix in the beginning.[/quote]

Slow your roll. DS and Shanny have been friends since 2003. supposedly talk all the time. DS tried to hire him last off season and Shanahan said no give Zorn one more year. Mid season DS ran to Shanahan to see if he would take over and Shanahan said again no taking over mid year would not change how the team played. It's obvious he would need to install his offense instead of using someone elses. He would have failed also and fans would have been wanting his head at seasons end. Great play by Shanahan.

I would guess the whole meeting with DS is a friendship meeting to say hello and maybe get a feel for who all he would need on his coaching staff or how many, so DS has an idea of how much money he will need to spend for coach's alone.

Then the meeting with Allen is his official meeting that DS promised he would stay out of.... you know letting Allen run the team and not interfering. Don't get worked up over something we all wanted all along.

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[quote=SBXVII;649816][/B]

Here, Here. I honestly think Kyle will turn out to be great. Plus he's young like everyone wants. M.Shanahan, I presume, will be named HC/President.[B] Then after his 5 year deal is up maybe moves into the President roll and lets his son take over as HC. Bam. We have the young HC you all want with a fresh mind set and ideas. I don't know about anyone else but I'm excited about this idea.[/B]

I'll agree Cowher or M.Shottenheimer would have been better for our situation since I think someone with a take no BS type mentality needs to be here. But if Allen is given full control then perhaps he'll be the big bad wolf and the players will need to participate as a team or get the F*** lost.[/quote]

:food-smil i'm right there with you, i could even see that senario taking place in 3 years

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[quote=diehardskin2982;649819]why not bring in Rob Ryan as DC[/quote]

You know I wondered the same thing other then he runs a 3-4 and I wasn't sure if we wanted to change. Plus he is currently with the Browns and I don't think his contract is up so we would have to give him one of those fancy smancy names. Then I looked at the Browns and wonder why would we want them when teams have found ways to beat them. Unless they don't really have the personel to run it effectively. But I too keep wondering would Rob Ryan work out?

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[quote=SBXVII;649803]The only problem is Shanahan runs the WCO which JC has been under for the last 2 yrs. Cowher runs a Schottenheimer style offense. We basically would be definitly starting completely over most likely with terminology as well. If we stay with Shanahan the turn over would be less stressful on the players and they might adjust to it quicker since they have been already running a WCO.[/quote]

Campbell actually was "born" to play cowher's shottenheimer-style offense. Wherever Cowher ends up, I would not at all be surprised to see Campbell follow him. Campbell was DRAFTED to play in a shottenheimer-style offense and he spent the first years in the NFL in that type of offense. the WCO actually exposes alot of his faults. He's gotten better at it, but its still not "comfortable" for him. in any case, Campbell has been in enough offenses in his career, i really doubt there's anything that will be "new" to him at this point. (Un?)fortunately, the chances of Campbell being the Redskins QB next year appear slim, so it really doesnt matter.

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Rob Ryan spent four seasons (2000-03) as linebackers coach on Bill Belichick's New England coaching staff. Ryan's unit helped contribute to Patriots wins in Super Bowls XXXVI and XXXVIII. Did a great job as The Oakland Raiders coordinator.

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Shanahan already picking Redskins staff
By Mark J. Miller

Washington Redskins head coach Jim Zorn supposedly added the word "former" to his title this morning and now it's just a matter of time before Mike Shanahan is named as the head coach in D.C.

He may not be in charge just yet, but Shanahan is already putting together his coaching staff, according to the Washington Examiner. Before Shanahan can be named, though, the Redskins have to reportedly interview secondary coach Jerry Gray again for the position, according to the Washington Post. When Gray was interviewed previously, it was before new general manager Bruce Allen had joined the club so he apparently needs to speak with Allen so that the team will comply with the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview minority candidates for all top jobs, though in this case that process seems like a farce.

Shanahan will apparently have his son, [b]Kyle Shanahan, leaving his spot as offensive coordinator with the Houston Texans to serve the same role with the Redskins. And Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer is apparently going to be the guy in charge on that side of the ball for D.C. as soon as Shanahan takes over.[/b]

Source: Washington Examiner

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649827]Campbell actually was "born" to play cowher's shottenheimer-style offense. Wherever Cowher ends up, I would not at all be surprised to see Campbell follow him. Campbell was DRAFTED to play in a shottenheimer-style offense and he spent the first years in the NFL in that type of offense. the WCO actually exposes alot of his faults. He's gotten better at it, but its still not "comfortable" for him. in any case, Campbell has been in enough offenses in his career, i really doubt there's anything that will be "new" to him at this point. (Un?)fortunately, the chances of Campbell being the Redskins QB next year appear slim, so it really doesnt matter.[/quote]

I guess your right with exposing his weakness's, but don't forget JC played in a WCO in college and actually played well enough to win a bowl. I think Zorn's issue is he didn't like the long windup and slow throw. So he tries to change it. Even Colt Brennan looked horrid trying to utilize the throwing motion Zorn wanted. Why not just let the QB throw the ball how he has been throwing it for his entire life. A throwing motion they have used and have muscle memory as to when to release the ball to get the ball where they want it. Now you change it up and you have QB's trying to think too much in order to get the job done vs. simply backing up and throwing the ball down field.

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[quote=SBXVII;649831]I guess your right with exposing his weakness's, but don't forget JC played in a WCO in college and actually played well enough to win a bowl. I think Zorn's issue is he didn't like the long windup and slow throw. So he tries to change it. Even Colt Brennan looked horrid trying to utilize the throwing motion Zorn wanted. [B]Why not just let the QB throw the ball how he has been throwing it for his entire life.[/B] A throwing motion they have used and have muscle memory as to when to release the ball to get the ball where they want it. Now you change it up and you have QB's trying to think too much in order to get the job done vs. simply backing up and throwing the ball down field.[/quote]

I understand your question and have thought the same. However, QB's have not been throwing all their lives against NFL defenses, where defenders are bigger, faster, and smarter, and therein lies the difference.

long windup: not a problem so much in college but NFL defenders will jump the throw
sidearm release (Brennan): not a problem so much in college but a big problem when facing tall, athletic NFL linemen and linebackers

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^ I get that but why Zimmer? The defense in Cinnci has never been all that hot. I honestly feel Ryan is younger and better. It would merge the Walsh/Shanahan offense with the Callihan/Ryan defense. I think that is what the browns are looking to do.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;649830]Shanahan already picking Redskins staff
By Mark J. Miller

Washington Redskins head coach Jim Zorn supposedly added the word "former" to his title this morning and now it's just a matter of time before Mike Shanahan is named as the head coach in D.C.

He may not be in charge just yet, but Shanahan is already putting together his coaching staff, according to the Washington Examiner. Before Shanahan can be named, though, the Redskins have to reportedly interview secondary coach Jerry Gray again for the position, according to the Washington Post. When Gray was interviewed previously, it was before new general manager Bruce Allen had joined the club so he apparently needs to speak with Allen so that the team will comply with the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview minority candidates for all top jobs, though in this case that process seems like a farce.

Shanahan will apparently have his son, [b]Kyle Shanahan, leaving his spot as offensive coordinator with the Houston Texans to serve the same role with the Redskins. And Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer is apparently going to be the guy in charge on that side of the ball for D.C. as soon as Shanahan takes over.[/b]

Source: Washington Examiner[/quote]

Man, all of the Cowboys fans have come out to play today!

Thanks for the update, Sandtrap, but most of us (not all) already are familiar with that potential dance card.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;649830]Shanahan already picking Redskins staff
By Mark J. Miller

Washington Redskins head coach Jim Zorn supposedly added the word "former" to his title this morning and now it's just a matter of time before Mike Shanahan is named as the head coach in D.C.

He may not be in charge just yet, but Shanahan is already putting together his coaching staff, according to the Washington Examiner. Before Shanahan can be named, though, the Redskins have to reportedly interview secondary coach Jerry Gray again for the position, according to the Washington Post. When Gray was interviewed previously, it was before new general manager Bruce Allen had joined the club so he apparently needs to speak with Allen so that the team will comply with the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview minority candidates for all top jobs, though in this case that process seems like a farce.

Shanahan will apparently have his son, [B]Kyle Shanahan, leaving his spot as offensive coordinator with the Houston Texans to serve the same role with the Redskins. And Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer is apparently going to be the guy in charge on that side of the ball for D.C. as soon as Shanahan takes over.[/B]

Source: Washington Examiner[/quote]

Info we already know. I presume your simply high lighting the specific part as to who will be the Coordinators.

I find it funny a Dallas fan is coming on our site to try and add info about our coaching situation. :) Shouldn't you guys be more worried about why the Eagles let you win and didn't show anything defensivly or offensively during the meaningless game? Oh I know it was meaningfull for you guys in Dallas so you could say you all took 1st place in the division. But now the Eagles have game film to look at in order to tackle you in the play offs. They gave you nothing to work with.

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Why switch to a 3-4? We dont have enough draft picks as it is to address all our holes. Switching to a 3-4 this offseason would be a terrible idea.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;649834]^ I get that but why Zimmer? The defense in Cinnci has never been all that hot. I honestly feel Ryan is younger and better. It would merge the Walsh/Shanahan offense with the Callihan/Ryan defense. I think that is what the browns are looking to do.[/quote]

The only thing I can keep thinking is Zimmer's contract is up this year. Ryan is only in his first year of his contract or second. I think it might be a little harder to pick him up. We could call him DC/Asst. HC I guess.

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[quote=WaldSkins;649838]Why switch to a 3-4? We dont have enough draft picks as it is to address all our holes. Switching to a 3-4 this offseason would be a terrible idea.[/quote]

Uncapped season. Are there any available in FA. I find it funny how everyone immediatly thinks about draft picks.

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[quote=SBXVII;649837]Info we already know. I presume your simply high lighting the specific part as to who will be the Coordinators.

I find it funny a Dallas fan is coming on our site to try and add info about our coaching situation. :) Shouldn't you guys be more worried about why the Eagles let you win and didn't show anything defensivly or offensively during the meaningless game? Oh I know it was meaningfull for you guys in Dallas so you could say you all took 1st place in the division. But now the Eagles have game film to look at in order to tackle you in the play offs. They gave you nothing to work with.[/quote]
So if that were true, why risk getting thier players hurt? Why not sit them like the Colts or the Chargers?

So in your opinion, the Eagles surrendered a first round bye and the ability to have a playoff game at home, risked getting their starters hurt, JUST so they would not "show thier hand"?

C'Mon are you SERIOUS? Were you on Zorns staff?

When you make a speculation, at least have the courtesy to have evidence to back it up.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;649834]^ I get that but why Zimmer? The defense in Cinnci has never been all that hot. I honestly feel Ryan is younger and better. It would merge the Walsh/Shanahan offense with the Callihan/Ryan defense. I think that is what the browns are looking to do.[/quote]

This only Zimmer's first year as the DC in Cincy, so whatever they've been in the past has nothing to do with him

Also, we might be adding Rick Dennison as OL coach, Bobby Turner as RB coach, and Jeff Goodman as Director of Pro Personnel, while Brown gets bumped up to Director of Player Personnel and Scott Campbell is shown the door. All very speculative at this point

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[quote=SBXVII;649839]The only thing I can keep thinking is Zimmer's contract is up this year. Ryan is only in his first year of his contract or second. I think it might be a little harder to pick him up. We could call him DC/Asst. HC I guess.[/quote]

someone asked why switch to a 3-4, it was rumored that Shanahan and his former DC where investigating that type of defense. Although Ryan is in year one of his contract, he may be fired along with mangini by holmgren to bring people that fit his mold

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For what it's worth Wilbon said Shannahan will be the head coach of the Redskins by the time PTI goes off the air.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;649842]So if that were true, why risk getting thier players hurt? Why not sit them like the Colts or the Chargers?

So in your opinion, the Eagles surrendered a first round bye and the ability to have a playoff game at home, risked getting their starters hurt, JUST so they would not "show thier hand"?

C'Mon are you SERIOUS? Were you on Zorns staff?

When you make a speculation, at least have the courtesy to have evidence to back it up.[/quote]

Totally serious. If they win would they get the bye? I think there are other NFC teams that have the bye and I don't think any were NFC East teams. Most likely they would have faced Dallas again. Why go out and play your hand? If they lose they knew they would get Dallas and would have more current film to study as to how they would be played. If they lose you don't think Dallas is going to say hey it worked lets just keep up the good work. Practice the same routine for the play offs and have the Eagles come out and stop everything your trying to do. Basically ensuring them a pass to the second round.

Yep I guess I'm just crazy. I most likely am wrong but I don't like either team. It will be funny if I'm right though. The Eagles come out and blast Dallas in the play offs. ;)

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[quote=SBXVII;649846]Totally serious. If they win would they get the bye? I think there are other NFC teams that have the bye and I don't think any were NFC East teams. Most likely they would have faced Dallas again. Why go out and play your hand? If they lose they knew they would get Dallas and would have more current film to study as to how they would be played. If they lose you don't think Dallas is going to say hey it worked lets just keep up the good work. Practice the same routine for the play offs and have the Eagles come out and stop everything your trying to do. Basically ensuring them a pass to the second round.

Yep I guess I'm just crazy. I most likely am wrong but I don't like either team. It will be funny if I'm right though. The Eagles come out and blast Dallas in the play offs. ;)[/quote]

they would have been the 2nd seed if they one and if minny lost Dallas would be

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[quote=SBXVII;649846]Totally serious. If they win would they get the bye? I think there are other NFC teams that have the bye and I don't think any were NFC East teams. Most likely they would have faced Dallas again. Why go out and play your hand? If they lose they knew they would get Dallas and would have more current film to study as to how they would be played. If they lose you don't think Dallas is going to say hey it worked lets just keep up the good work. Practice the same routine for the play offs and have the Eagles come out and stop everything your trying to do. Basically ensuring them a pass to the second round.

Yep I guess I'm just crazy. I most likely am wrong but I don't like either team. It will be funny if I'm right though. The Eagles come out and blast Dallas in the play offs. ;)[/quote]

As the day worked out, Philly would have had the bye week if they won. I think Dallas played to get in, something they haven't done in a long time, and Philly played an overconfident game after several tough but strong wins. I would be shocked if Philly doesn't hand it to them when they meet Saturday night. I would hate for Dallas to break their streak.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;649844]someone asked why switch to a 3-4, it was rumored that Shanahan and his former DC where investigating that type of defense. Although Ryan is in year one of his contract, he may be fired along with mangini by holmgren to bring people that fit his mold[/quote]


No, I know Shanahan is interested in the 3-4. He even went to the Steeler's and Patriots camp prior to this season back in Aug. in order to see how good 3-4 defenses are run.

I thought he was wondering why Zimmer himself. I presume cause he is one of the easiest to get since his contract is up and Cinci has not offered up a better dollar amount.

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With Snyder any staff member in the league is touchable

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;649848]As the day worked out, Philly would have had the bye week if they won. I think Dallas played to get in, something they haven't done in a long time, and Philly played an overconfident game after several tough but strong wins. I would be shocked if Philly doesn't hand it to them when they meet Saturday night. I would hate for Dallas to break their streak.[/quote]

I know I'm giving Sand a hard time. Unfortunatly with the Eagles you never know what team will show up. Flip a coin. They could show up and lay a duck again, but I doubt it. I also don't believe Dallas is just so good they will shut out the Eagles again. Not going to happen. But I do believe Dallas may have shown too much of their hand. They were way up and still trying to beat the Eagles into submission. I think it will fuel the Eagles for being embarrassed and they will come out with a better game plan.

So I hope. I too don't want Dallas to break their streak. Then I can watch the Saints or Vikings hand it to the Eagles. :)

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Looking at the bracket I guess it would be the Saints to would battle whoever wins between the Eagles and Dallas.

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[quote=SmootSmack;649843]This only Zimmer's first year as the DC in Cincy, so whatever they've been in the past has nothing to do with him

Also, we might be adding Rick Dennison as OL coach, Bobby Turner as RB coach, and Jeff Goodman as Director of Pro Personnel, while Brown gets bumped up to Director of Player Personnel and Scott Campbell is shown the door. All very speculative at this point[/quote]

I would be pretty happy if that happens. Zimmer is an ex-cowboy so I kinda don't want bring him onboard.

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I think it's kind of funny that a good amount of our potential head coaches look the same . Two of them for obvious reasons.

[IMG]http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2009/01/03/mike_shanahan.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/mike-zimmer-wife-dead.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://assets.houstontexans.com/uploads/coaches/headshots/thumbs/15.jpg[/IMG]

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^^thats funny ^^

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Who would be your defensive coordinator if you could chose from any of the guys in the league?

Zim is a good choice I suppose although after watching last night's game I don't know if he is that great either.

I would love to have GW back, but I doubt that will ever happen.

If I had to answer that question I would like to have Dick Lebeau, but that ain't gonna happen. :)

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^Rex Ryan? ... LOL. If your talking about anyone.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;649856]I think it's kind of funny that a good amount of our potential head coaches look the same . Two of them for obvious reasons.

[IMG]http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2009/01/03/mike_shanahan.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/mike-zimmer-wife-dead.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://assets.houstontexans.com/uploads/coaches/headshots/thumbs/15.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Mike Shannahan has been my pick since last year, I know we have a great season ahead, just remember and I am laying this out front, No matter what shanny do, if someone blast him, I will be blasting you, because for once, even including Joe Gibbs, we have a coach with a 2K style.....

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Would Shanny want someone who has trouble writing the word "does" defending him?

I'm not blasting him. I'm blasting you, you didn't say anything about blasting you. :)

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;649861]Who would be your defensive coordinator if you could chose from any of the guys in the league?

Zim is a good choice I suppose although after watching last night's game I don't know if he is that great either.

I would love to have GW back, but I doubt that will ever happen.

If I had to answer that question I would like to have Dick Lebeau, but that ain't gonna happen. :)[/quote]

Spagnolio:laughing2

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anyone see news for tonight they had a clip, of all people, colt brennan, and he talked about all the qb's shanny has had and mentioned his similiar "gun slinger" style, and the last thing they had him saying was "i hope he likes me" i thought it was pretty funny he sounded like a little kid, dan hellie even said that when it went back to him. you gotta think the rest of the skins must have that same feeling right now

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Can we make fun of this guy?

[url=http://www.rooftopcomedy.com/watch/DoYouReckon]Do you reckon? by Mike Shanahan Stand-up Comedy and Video on RooftopComedy.com[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;649845]For what it's worth Wilbon said Shannahan will be the head coach of the Redskins by the time PTI goes off the air.[/quote]

b mitch says the skins are not gonna introduce shanny as head coach until after coach buges retires(which is supposed to be tomarrow). the skins would rather buges retire rather than it looking like he was fired by shanny.

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[quote=wolfeskins;649872]b mitch says the skins are not gonna introduce shanny as head coach until after coach buges retires(which is supposed to be tomarrow). the skins would rather buges retire rather than it looking like he was fired by shanny.[/quote]

What? Just name the damn man and get it over with. Who gives a flying "F" if Buges retires or get fired. I mean I like the man but if he's going to do it anyway who cares. Matter of fact invite the media and have them in for Buges to say a few words and cake and ice cream. Then it won't look like Shanny fired him. Oh and throw in one of those Redskin coins also.

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[quote=SBXVII;649876]What? Just name the damn man and get it over with. Who gives a flying "F" if Buges retires or get fired. I mean I like the man but if he's going to do it anyway who cares. Matter of fact invite the media and have them in for Buges to say a few words and cake and ice cream. Then it won't look like Shanny fired him. Oh and throw in one of those Redskin coins also.[/quote]


whats the rush? let buges have his day, while still putting together the new staff. then make the introduction.

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Buges has meant a lot to our organization over the years. He deserves a dignified retirement.

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[quote=Lotus;649878]Buges has meant a lot to our organization over the years. He deserves a dignified retirement.[/quote]
i agree.



Jason Reid of the [I]Washington Post[/I] reported on Monday afternoon that the Redskins, [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/shanahan-could-be-introduced-t.html"][COLOR=#0000ff]barring unforeseen glitches, will likely introduce Shanahan[/COLOR][/URL] in a news conference Tuesday.

Reid also reports, however, that the Redskins could make the announcement "[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/bugel-retirement-may-affect-ti.html"][COLOR=#0000ff]as late as Wednesday or Thursday[/COLOR][/URL]," and that the timing of the announcement could be tied to the team's plans to honor the retired offensive line coach Joe Bugel.