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He's so done.... and I honestly think that Allen and Shanahan are not going to go out and get him. Too risky. And for what? A couple of years?? Joe Theismann was right. Let's not do this quick fix BS anymore. With or w/out Manning we're not going to the SB next year so there's no point in signing him.

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[quote=44Deezel;886016]They should trade back if they're targeting a WR. Floyd or Jeffery could be had later. The more picks the better.[/quote]

If they are not going to trade up for RG3 then I agree with this. Unless Blackmon falls to #6 which I do not see happening, but would take all day.

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Isn't there a doctor here? Because from what I've heard this latest news is really being blown out of proportion. More surgery? Yeah probably but that could be a minor procedures many years down the road. Bone spurs? Not uncommon and not always such a big deal

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cant remember a more smoke and mirrors story in the NFL. information and misinformation from both sides. Irsay just cant keep his mouth shut to the media. Media just gonna driving it until free agency begins.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886035]Isn't there a doctor here? Because from what I've heard this latest news is really being blown out of proportion. More surgery? Yeah probably but that could be a minor procedures many years down the road. Bone spurs? Not uncommon and not always such a big deal[/quote]

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[quote=GMScud;885846]Yeah one day after Irsay says that he'd love to have Manning back if he wants to work out the contract... Irsay is all over the place. He keeps saying he wants to keep the business in house, yet he can't keep his mouth shut to save his life.[/quote]



lol...work out his contract. I thought that douche bag Irsay said this wasn't about the money. Guy is such a ass clown. He really should shut the hell up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886022]It doesn't sound like any doctor is telling Peyton he shouldn't play again[/quote]

It also has to be noted that the surgery they are reffering to in the future would be after he is done playing not now.

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Also... MARK SCHLARETH came on ESPN yesterday and stated that this "4th surgery" was more of a procedure than an actuall surgery.

Much different in notation. A knee getting drained is a procedure for example, and a repair to a broken bone is a surgery.

This story is so overblown.

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[quote=skinsfan69;886027]He's so done.... and I honestly think that Allen and Shanahan are not going to go out and get him. Too risky. And for what? A couple of years?? Joe Theismann was right. Let's not do this quick fix BS anymore. With or w/out Manning we're not going to the SB next year so there's no point in signing him.[/quote]



Exactly! Well said.

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[quote=skinsfan69;886027]He's so done.... and I honestly think that Allen and Shanahan are not going to go out and get him. Too risky. And for what? [B]A couple of years??[/B] Joe Theismann was right. Let's not do this quick fix BS anymore. With or w/out Manning we're not going to the SB next year so there's no point in signing him.[/quote]

What's wrong with developing your young talent in a year or two? I don't understand why people act like we would be getting Manning in a vacuum. I think the health is a big concern, but I would hope that we have competent doctors on our staff that would make a correct assessment on Manning's health.

I have no problem with the team trading up, and I am actually glad that it seems as though the team has the option of either a.) trading up and use the cap room to surround a young QB with the deep crop of FAs this offseason or b.) pick up manning, a developing 2nd round QB, a FA or two, and continue to build through the draft.

Health issues aside, I don't get this stubborn, my way or the highway attitude of people that oppose to Manning's signing. I mean there is NO guarantee that we can trade up to get RG3, with the Browns sitting there with two #1 picks on this year's draft. Just as there is no guarantee that Manning would want to be here.

No point of being at the extreme of these two debates because anything can happen.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=skinsfan69;886027]He's so done.... and I honestly think that Allen and Shanahan are not going to go out and get him. Too risky. And for what? A couple of years?? Joe Theismann was right. Let's not do this quick fix BS anymore. With or w/out Manning we're not going to the SB next year so there's no point in signing him.[/quote]

A) When did you examine him, so that you know this?

B) What medical school is your M.D. degree from?

C) What on earth would keep us from both signing Manning AND drafting a hot young rookie QB?

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[quote=Lotus;886051]A) When did you examine him, so that you know this?

B) What medical school is your M.D. degree from?

C) [B]What on earth would keep us from both signing Manning and drafting a hot young rookie QB[/B]?[/quote]


My first choice this offseason.

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[quote=Lotus;886051]A) When did you examine him, so that you know this?

B) What medical school is your M.D. degree from?

C) What on earth would keep us from both signing Manning AND drafting a hot young rookie QB?[/quote]

A) March 24th, 2011.

B) Emory, but I took some time off to get my PhD in French Literature at Oxford. I really wanted to do something for me. Anyway after that I did my residency at John Hopkins.

C) Depends on how hot the rookie QB. RGIII is a day 1 starter. Everyone else behind him is a group of guys that shouldn't be starting before week 8 at the very least.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to a triple bypass procedure, plus I got blood all over my keyboard.

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lol

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Doc: Peyton, if you play you may risk partial paralysis of your arm.
Peyton: Heres $10,0000
Doc: You're fine, suit up.

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People are comparing this sitaution to when we got McNabb but it really wouldn't be that. It's more closely associated with the Vikings drafting Ponder and trading for McNabb last year. The difference is we're not sending draft picks to Indy for Peyton and...hopefully...Manning has better results here than McNabb in Minnesota

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[quote=Alvin Walton;886057]Doc: Peyton, if you play you may risk partial paralysis of your arm.
Peyton: Heres $10,0000
Doc: You're fine, suit up.[/quote]

You think this would happen with an NFL team looking to get Manning?

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[quote=Ruhskins;886049]What's wrong with developing your young talent in a year or two? I don't understand why people act like we would be getting Manning in a vacuum. I think the health is a big concern, but I would hope that we have competent doctors on our staff that would make a correct assessment on Manning's health.

I have no problem with the team trading up, and I am actually glad that it seems as though the team has the option of either a.) trading up and use the cap room to surround a young QB with the deep crop of FAs this offseason or b.) pick up manning, a developing 2nd round QB, a FA or two, and continue to build through the draft.

Health issues aside, I don't get this stubborn, my way or the highway attitude of people that oppose to Manning's signing. I mean there is NO guarantee that we can trade up to get RG3, with the Browns sitting there with two #1 picks on this year's draft. Just as there is no guarantee that Manning would want to be here.

No point of being at the extreme of these two debates because anything can happen.[/quote]

People act like great QB's can't be found in the 2nd round, or later in the first round. We're simply not in a position to give away picks to get RG3. As great an athlete that he is, he's going to need MAJOR coaching. Why not keep the pick, or move down and get more picks??

And Manning is 36 with bad neck nerves that weaken his tricep muscle. Now I do know this cause I did play QB a long time ago. Your tricep muscle is what gives you power to throw. I'm not a doc but that just doesn't sound good at all. I think ( and hope) we're done chasing other teams washed up players.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886058]People are comparing this sitaution to when we got McNabb but it really wouldn't be that. It's more closely associated with the Vikings drafting Ponder and trading for McNabb last year. The difference is we're not sending draft picks to Indy for Peyton and...hopefully...Manning has better results here than McNabb in Minnesota[/quote]

Why not draft a guy ( like Cincy and Carolina did) and start him day one? Vikes would've just been better off playing Ponder from the get go. They just wasted time, money and draft picks messing around with McNabb. This team will be better off in the long run by doing what Cincy and Carolina did.

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Loving these Warpath MDs. I know where to come when I have health issues.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886059]You think this would happen with an NFL team looking to get Manning?[/quote]

Foxifino.....
I just made it up as sarcastic humor.

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[quote=skinsfan69;886062]Why not draft a guy ( like Cincy and Carolina did) and start him day one? Vikes would've just been better off playing Ponder from the get go. They just wasted time, money and draft picks messing around with McNabb. This team will be better off in the long run by doing what Cincy and Carolina did.[/quote]

Carolina had the first overall pick, not the same situation. Cincy is a good example, although I believe they had to do it out of necessity...also I think Mike Brown is a lucky SOB.

The Redskins can't go into the draft without a viable FA QB, otherwise they'd get murdered in an effort to trade up.

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[quote=NC_Skins;886064]Loving these Warpath MDs. I know where to come when I have health issues.[/quote]

I have been suffering from a reoccuring back injury. Anyway anyone can give me some help.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886067]Carolina had the first overall pick, not the same situation. Cincy is a good example, although I believe they had to do it out of necessity...also I think Mike Brown is a lucky SOB.

[B]The Redskins can't go into the draft without a viable FA QB, otherwise they'd get murdered in an effort to trade up.[/B][/quote]

This. Plus, without a viable FA QB, the chances are increased that another QB hungry team will leapfrog us because they will know that we are desperate for a QB. Having a viable FA QB on the roster already makes us harder to figure out on draft day.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;886070]I have been suffering from a reoccuring back injury. Anyway anyone can give me some help.[/quote]

I haven't examined you nor do I have an M.D. but I can confidently say that there is no hope for you.

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Mike Mayock said yesterday that if he's the Rams, he'd be ecstatic if the Browns gave up the 27th pick to move up two spots for RG3. Think about what the Rams are asking for. A one, a two, and a three to move down four spots. Yet, if their best offer was two firsts? They'd do that in a heartbeat.

My thing is this: if you are the Browns, why would you give up a first round pick to go up two spots even if you love RG3. No team can really make a better offer than the Browns first and second rounders, because the Browns have the draft position that the Rams want the most.

I think the Browns are just going to let the board come to them. And the Rams aren't going to be able to get any additional value on the second overall pick. They are going to be stuck with it.

At the end of the day, I think the 2013 first rounder is plenty enough to go as high in the draft as you need to go. I don't think you can get Luck or even get close to Luck at that price. But that gives you your pick of RG3/Blackmon/Kalil. Which is what the Redskins need the most.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;886070]I have been suffering from a reoccuring back injury. Anyway anyone can give me some help.[/quote]the icy hot jacket as worn by kurt russell in death proof should help

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[quote=Lotus;886073]I haven't examined you nor do I have an M.D. but I can confidently say that there is no hope for you.[/quote]

But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night..... [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=Ruhskins;886067]Carolina had the first overall pick, not the same situation. Cincy is a good example, although I believe they had to do it out of necessity...also I think Mike Brown is a lucky SOB.

The Redskins can't go into the draft without a viable FA QB, otherwise they'd get murdered in an effort to trade up.[/quote]

Actually the situation that bodes best for us comes if the Browns sign Matt Flynn and the Dolphins sign Peyton Manning. That would take our two biggest competitors out of the equation. The last remaining threat would be Seattle who would either give up a ton of picks or select some random QB earlier then expected.

However the more likely situation is the Dolphins sign Matt Flynn and the Browns go into the draft looking for a QB.

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[quote=los panda;886076]the icy hot jacket as worn by kurt russell in death proof should help[/quote]

I'm no doctor but I do believe you need a 1969 Dodge Charger to make it work correctly.

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[quote=mooby;886080]I'm no doctor but I do believe you need a 1969 Dodge Charger to make it work correctly.[/quote]

Do you think a 69 Ford Mustang Mach 1 429 Cobra Jet would work? I got one of those!! :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;886075]Mike Mayock said yesterday that if he's the Rams, he'd be ecstatic if the Browns gave up the 27th pick to move up two spots for RG3. Think about what the Rams are asking for. A one, a two, and a three to move down four spots. Yet, if their best offer was two firsts? They'd do that in a heartbeat.

My thing is this: if you are the Browns, why would you give up a first round pick to go up two spots even if you love RG3. No team can really make a better offer than the Browns first and second rounders, because the Browns have the draft position that the Rams want the most.

I think the Browns are just going to let the board come to them. And the Rams aren't going to be able to get any additional value on the second overall pick. They are going to be stuck with it.

At the end of the day, I think the 2013 first rounder is plenty enough to go as high in the draft as you need to go. I don't think you can get Luck or even get close to Luck at that price. But that gives you your pick of RG3/Blackmon/Kalil. Which is what the Redskins need the most.[/quote]

McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;886083]Do you think a 69 Ford Mustang Mach 1 429 Cobra Jet would work? I got one of those!! :)[/quote]as long as you've death proofed it

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886078]Actually the situation that bodes best for us comes if the Browns sign Matt Flynn and the Dolphins sign Peyton Manning. That would take our two biggest competitors out of the equation. The last remaining threat would be Seattle who would either give up a ton of picks or select some random QB earlier then expected.

However the more likely situation is the Dolphins sign Matt Flynn and the Browns go into the draft looking for a QB.[/quote]

You dont think the Browns can sign a FA like Flynn and pick up RG3 as well?

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[quote=Ruhskins;886085]McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.[/quote]

Just this year's first or is that first next year's in addition to this years' first? If just this year's 1st, 2nd, and 4th was required to move up to 2 I'd do it.

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[quote=mooby;886095]Just this year's first or is that first next year's in addition to this years' first? If just this year's 1st, 2nd, and 4th was required to move up to 2 I'd do it.[/quote]

This year's first, although thinking more about it I think that compensation may be a tad bit low. Although if the Browns get a QB through FA, then we become the next best trading partner.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886085]McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.[/quote]I [URL="http://liveballsports.com/2012/02/15/robert-griffin-iii-pre-draft-value-and-game-theory/"]wrote[/URL] about this yesterday. I don't link to get anyone to read, as I'm sure I'll post all the major points in this thread in possibly fewer than 2,500 words.

In short, the second or third pick are only valuable trade chips if the Redskins make them so. Cleveland is in total command in the RG3 sweepstakes. They have both the best draft position and the most draft value to acquire or block another team from acquiring RG3.

I think Cleveland wants Blackmon more than RG3 because he fits their offense. I don't expect St. Louis to pick Blackmon or RG3. I think they'll probably go with Kalil. And then I think Minnesota will try like hell to trade out of the third pick, and they'll probably be successful, especially if the Redskins like RG3. But lets say they go with Coples or Claiborne (or whoever). Then Cleveland gets to pick between RG3 and Blackmon.

That's I think when the Redskins will strike (if not at Minnesota's pick). The Bucs probably aren't taking Justin Blackmon. If the Browns can pick up a pick to move from 4 to 6, history has already shown they will. And I think that makes a lot more sense for them than to take even a more lucrative offer from Miami, but drop to beyond where Blackmon will be on the board.

Either way, I don't think Griffin goes higher than fourth. If Minnesota is desperate enough to let Washington or Miami or Seattle name their price, then yeah, that trade could happen.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;886087]You dont think the Browns can sign a FA like Flynn and pick up RG3 as well?[/quote]

Matt Flynn is going to be the guy wherever he goes. We're talking about signing a guy to something in the area of 6 years $59 million with around $24 million guaranteed (Ryan Fitzpatricks contract).

If this was a situation like year 2 of the Kevin Kolb experiment then yeah they could easily go for someone like RGIII, but you can bank on any team signing Matt Flynn not using an early pick on a QB in 2012.

[quote]Kevin Schulte @kschulte Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Matt Flynn's one spectacular game could boost his salary from $600k to ~$10 million bit.ly/xvI9LW[/quote]

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jeff_diamond/02/15/flynn/index.html#ixzz1mZUxbAg2]Green Bay Packers backup quarterback Matt Flynn could go from making $600,000 a year to $9 million annually - Jeff Diamond - SI.com[/url]
[quote]Teams are doing their due diligence on Flynn now [B]before they commit to the expected $10 million per year deal that it will take to sign him.[/B] Teams know all about the backup made good success stories of Tom Brady (former sixth-rounder, backed up his first year), Rodgers (No. 1 pick who sat behind Brett Favre for three years) and Tony Romo (undrafted, backed up in Dallas for three years before getting his shot).
[/quote]

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[quote=GTripp0012;886098]I [URL="http://liveballsports.com/2012/02/15/robert-griffin-iii-pre-draft-value-and-game-theory/"]wrote[/URL] about this yesterday. I don't link to get anyone to read, as I'm sure I'll post all the major points in this thread in possibly fewer than 2,500 words.

In short, the second or third pick are only valuable trade chips if the Redskins make them so. Cleveland is in total command in the RG3 sweepstakes. They have both the best draft position and the most draft value to acquire or block another team from acquiring RG3.

I think Cleveland wants Blackmon more than RG3 because he fits their offense. I don't expect St. Louis to pick Blackmon or RG3. I think they'll probably go with Kalil. And then I think Minnesota will try like hell to trade out of the third pick, and they'll probably be successful, especially if the Redskins like RG3. But lets say they go with Coples or Claiborne (or whoever). Then Cleveland gets to pick between RG3 and Blackmon.

That's I think when the Redskins will strike (if not at Minnesota's pick). The Bucs probably aren't taking Justin Blackmon. If the Browns can pick up a pick to move from 4 to 6, history has already shown they will. And I think that makes a lot more sense for them than to take even a more lucrative offer from Miami, but drop to beyond where Blackmon will be on the board.

Either way, I don't think Griffin goes higher than fourth. If Minnesota is desperate enough to let Washington or Miami or Seattle name their price, then yeah, that trade could happen.[/quote]

I picked on you a few weeks ago for having long wind post that don't get to the point. This post was a great example of how you should post. It is relative short and gets to the point, well written thank you.

You have a lot good knowledge you just need to learn to feed it to the reader.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886067]Carolina had the first overall pick, not the same situation. Cincy is a good example, although I believe they had to do it out of necessity...also I think Mike Brown is a lucky SOB.

The Redskins can't go into the draft without a viable FA QB, otherwise they'd get murdered in an effort to trade up.[/quote]

Are we in a position to draft a guy and let him sit? I don't think we are.