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[quote=Lotus;893992]1) I agree. I will rest more soundly the night that the trade is announced.

2) I think you are right. [B]So hopefully Kyle doesn't try to install everything and instead gives Griffin bite-sized pieces of the playbook over time[/B].[/quote]

In order for that to happen, the trade needs to happen. I'm gonna be so blown if we spend all this time dreaming about Rob Griff Trey in a Redskins uniform and the fantastically awesome plays he could be making and it turns out the Browns trade up for him instead.

Once the trade happens, I will feel secure and confident about the future of the franchise.

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[quote=Mattyk;893985]I'm just saying I don't see a reason why RGIII wouldn't be ready. He's extremely bright and talented. I just think it would be a disappointment if he's not ready to play right off the bat.[/quote]

I agree. I would be shocked if RGIII werent out-performing Rex in every way by a wide margin by the end of the pre-season.

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[quote=Mattyk;893994][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/peyton-manning-leaves-generous-tip-server-gets-fired-210105919.html"]Peyton Manning leaves generous tip, server gets fired for posting a photograph of bill | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

There's just no such thing as privacy these days[/quote]

Yeah no sympathy for the waiter here. You got a great tip, be happy, respect his privacy, and if you decided to tell your friends about that one time Peyton Manning gave you a huge tip, then so be it. But posting the receipt online? :doh: You deserve everything you get.

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[quote=Lotus;894001]Must be nice to drop almost a grand on dinner.[/quote]

I looked at the menu and their prices were not sky high. I say Ruth Chris or The Palm is more then that place. He most have had a bunch of folks in his party.

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Finance guy/nerd checking in:

Notice he left $200 on top of the 18% included tip. Total tip was $312.82 on a $626.76 bill, [B]a 50% tip![/B]

That waiter should have just pocketed the autograph (or asked for it after the paperwork was done) and went home with a great memory, cash in his pocket and a job the next day.

Moron.

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Very generous, doesn't really surprise me, he doesn't strike me as a guy that would be a tightwad... like Tiger Woods, allegedly.

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[quote=Mattyk;893994][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/peyton-manning-leaves-generous-tip-server-gets-fired-210105919.html]Peyton Manning leaves generous tip, server gets fired for posting a photograph of bill | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

There's just no such thing as privacy these days[/quote]

At least Manning didn't get caught using the wrong card.
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[quote=Mattyk;893976]You don't give up a bunch of picks to move up to take a guy, and then proceed to sit him to start the season. If you believe in RGIII that much to give up all those picks, he's got to be your guy day 1 he enters the building.

Unless he's hurt, there's no reason he shouldn't be ready to play right away.[/quote]

Absolutely. I'm not sold on RGIII and don't see how anyone could be...but if it comes to mortgaging the future to get him then at least put him under center.

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^What's your take on RG3 Goat?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;894035]^What's your take on RG3 Goat?[/quote]

His physical talents are unquestionable and he's plenty bright. I worry about the intangibles. Does he eat, sleep and breath the game of football 48 weeks a year?

Your thoughts?

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[quote=Mattyk;894012]Very generous, doesn't really surprise me, he doesn't strike me as a guy that would be a tightwad... like Tiger Woods, allegedly.[/quote]

Or Albert H.

Is there a trend?

[url=http://www.google.com/search?q=black+people+tippping&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&sugexp=llsin&gs_nf=1&pq=black+people+tippping&cp=16&gs_id=8&xhr=t&q=black+people+tipping&pf=p&client=firefox-a&hs=9pj&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&oq=black+people+tipping&aq=0&aqi=g2g-v1g-b1&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=d4ad57653d4016cc&biw=1280&bih=885]black people tippping - Google Search[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;894008]Finance guy/nerd checking in:

Notice he left $200 on top of the 18% included tip. Total tip was $312.82 on a $626.76 bill, [B]a 50% tip![/B]

That waiter should have just pocketed the autograph (or asked for it after the paperwork was done) and went home with a great memory, cash in his pocket and a job the next day.

Moron.[/quote]
Showing off that you've just been around a celebrity might have a evolutionary perspective. Being with the VIPs in a society obviously boosts your own status and hence ability to reproduce.

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[QUOTE=The Goat;894038]His physical talents are unquestionable and he's plenty bright. I worry about the intangibles. Does he eat, sleep and breath the game of football 48 weeks a year?



Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]



Like you said we all know about his physical talents and he effortlessly throws one of the prettiest deep balls I've ever seen. Love his charisma and intellect. Ten years from now I think he'll be looked at as the best QB in this draft, hopefully it's with us because I think his ceiling is sky high.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;894042]Like you said we all know about his physical talents and he effortlessly throws one of the prettiest deep balls I've ever seen. Love his charisma and intellect. Ten years from now I think he'll be looked at as the best QB in this draft, hopefully it's with us because I think his ceiling is sky high.[/quote]

His toss reminds me a little of Vick in that it looks like like just a flick of the wrist puts 50 yards on the ball.

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Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.

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[quote=GTripp0012;894045]Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.[/quote]

I guess this will all depend on what Snyder thinks about the first two seasons under MS. They were a waste and little progress was done on the offensive side of the ball. I think getting the best QB prospect that the Redskins can reasonably get, may sway Snyder to give him another season after this to see how this all works out.

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[quote=GTripp0012;894045]Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.[/quote]

Hmmm I was thinking the exact opposite Tripp. With Griffin the Shanny's can say this is a work in progress and buy another year maybe. With Peyton, if you don't start winning right away, and more than 8 or 9 games btw, you have to seriously start to question Mike's coaching.

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[quote=GTripp0012;894045][B]Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.[/B]

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.[/quote]

People are severely underestimating this part of the equation. It's not that I want Shanahan to fail but his system does require a lot of different personel on offense. The potential for roster turnover is high if he does fail. A QB like RG3 would go a long way towards damage control.

Also remember part of the reason Bruce Allen and Gruden failed in Tampa was after a while they were playing musical chairs with the QB position after Brad Johnson left. I mean they did put together a great supporting cast but had trouble doing better then 9-7 due to the problems at QB. I doubt Allen forgot that.

Talking about the supporting cast when you have NO viable options at QB is like being in the emergency room with a heart attack and focusing on how to improve the patients diet to prevent another heart attack rather than dealing with the problem at hand.

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[quote=Monkeydad;894000]That waiter deserved to be fired. Peyton is a private citizen like the rest of us, no matter how much he makes. No one needs to know how much he spends, tips or see the receipts from his purchases. That waiter could be probably prosecuted on top of the firing if Peyton really wanted to, he's opening Manning up to identity theft if anyone would be stupid enough to try it with someone so-well known.

If the customer was an elected official and taxpayers were paying for the deal, we may have different story, but Peyton makes his own money.[/quote]

The fact the restaurant had a privacy policy and the guy violated it is reason enough to dismiss him.

That said, there is nothing on that bill that could open up Manning to identity theft. It only showed the last 4 digits of a CC. No address, no SS, no drivers license number...nothing.

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Broncos spent a lot of time the last two days privately meeting with Weeden....now back to your regulary scheduled Peyton thread

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[quote=SmootSmack;894055]Broncos spent a lot of time the last two days privately meeting with Weeden....now back to your regulary scheduled Peyton thread[/quote]

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[B]WHAT?![/B]

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[quote=GTripp0012;894045]Unpopular opinion time (yay!): I don't think Griffin has much of a chance to save Shanahans job, so much as having him a year from now makes Washington a much more intriguing option for head coaching candidates.

I think if the Redskins can make a late push and get Manning, I think they win 8 or 9 games and Shanahan probably survives the year.

For sake of continuity, Manning is so much more valuable to this organization than Griffin. But Griffin can be a very valuable piece of the future -- in his own way.

If we get stuck with Weeden, then something will need to happen during the season that justifies the offseason. Like: sweep Dallas or something similar.[/quote]
Predictable disagreement time (yay!).. Unless we go into 2012 with Rex and Beck again at QB and fail miserably (2-14 fail), Shanny is here regardless.

Snyder knows this is his last chance at respectability and credibility as an owner and is not going to fire Shanahan midway through his first contract. Everyone has said that Shanahan told Snyder this was a 5 year job and he was building it for the long term, not a rapid fix. Shanahan has admitted that he underestimated how poor the roster was when he got here and has made steps to turn the roster over completely (almost). Allen is the buffer and is close enough to Snyder to talk sense into him about making a rash move.

All that being said, if Snyder is more focused on selling jerseys than winning (as he's been accused of) and is desperately seeking A) a franchise QB he has so coveted and B) a face of the franchise to market endlessly, then why would he fire and undo all the work of the man who brings all of that to the team in Griffin? That dog just don't hunt.

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[quote=Paintrain;894058]Predictable disagreement time (yay!).. Unless we go into 2012 with Rex and Beck again at QB and fail miserably (2-14 fail), Shanny is here regardless.

Snyder knows this is his last chance at respectability and credibility as an owner and is not going to fire Shanahan midway through his first contract. [B]Everyone has said that Shanahan told Snyder this was a 5 year job and he was building it for the long term, not a rapid fix.[/B] Shanahan has admitted that he underestimated how poor the roster was when he got here and has made steps to turn the roster over completely (almost). Allen is the buffer and is close enough to Snyder to talk sense into him about making a rash move.

All that being said, if Snyder is more focused on selling jerseys than winning (as he's been accused of) and is desperately seeking A) a franchise QB he has so coveted and B) a face of the franchise to market endlessly, then why would he fire and undo all the work of the man who brings all of that to the team in Griffin? That dog just don't hunt.[/quote]

Mike's statement is completely meaningless. If there's no improvement in three years he absolutely doesn't deserve a fourth, let alone a fifth. I think the question is whether improvement will be in the form of a (significantly) better record this season or molding the franchise QB.

The other outcome is we're neither significantly improved this season nor molding a franchise QB, and then retaining the Shanny regime would just be stupid.

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I think that landing either Peyton or RGIII would earn Shanny another year after the upcoming one. If we don't get either of them, then he might be in trouble after another losing season.

While numerous teams are scrambling to land PM, I think the Skins should make their move with St. Louis and get the deal for the #2 pick done, to be official at the start of the league year. And, for goodness sake, don't let sending a second round pick to St. Louis this year stand in the way.

If the Skins believe that RGIII can be a top QB in the NFL for 10 years, they need to get the deal done ASAP. In the long run, what is the significance of giving up one second round pick compared to getting RGIII? Answer: It's inconsequential.

Landing RGIII at the start of FA would help the Skins with Free Agents, as well. Maybe not quite as much as landing PM would, but it would help.

[U]My message to the Skins:[/U] Forget about PM. Sneak in under the radar and get RGIII. Don't wrangle about one pick. Just git-r-done.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;894062]I think that landing either Peyton or RGIII would earn Shanny another year after the upcoming one. If we don't get either of them, then he might be in trouble after another losing season.

While numerous teams are scrambling to land PM, I think the Skins should make their move with St. Louis and get the deal for the #2 pick done, to be official at the start of the league year. And, for goodness sake, don't let sending a second round pick to St. Louis this year stand in the way.

If the Skins believe that RGIII can be a top QB in the NFL for 10 years, they need to get the deal done ASAP. What is one second round pick, in the long run? Answer: It's inconsequential.

Landing RGIII at the start of FA would help the Skins with Free Agents, as well. Maybe not quite as much as landing PM would, but it would help.

My message to the Skins: Forget about PM. Sneak in under the radar and get RGIII. Don't wrangle about one pick. Just git-r-done.[/quote]

Unless the deal is contingent upon a healthy RG3 being available and the Rams having a better idea of who and what to expect at 6 I don't see why either team would make a deal other then to make us feel better for the next month and three quarters. Also keep in mind Flynn might become a Brown leaving the bidding for RG3 between us, Kansas City, and Seattle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;894057][IMG]http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1322893865087_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x[/IMG]
[B]WHAT?![/B][/quote]

But wait!...there's more

[url=http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_20138824/peyton-manning-visit-john-elway-broncos-today]Peyton Manning to visit with John Elway, Broncos today - The Denver Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;894065]But wait!...there's more

[url=http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_20138824/peyton-manning-visit-john-elway-broncos-today]Peyton Manning to visit with John Elway, Broncos today - The Denver Post[/url][/quote]

Elway better watch out for lightning bolts!

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Perhaps Tebow is only John the Baptist, not the savior.

Llamf!!!!! ^^^^^^^

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter that, in the "estimation of many people around the league," the Dolphins are losing steam in the sweepstakes for free agent Peyton Manning.[COLOR="Blue"]

Without providing detail, Schefter cited the same reasons that drove away Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher. "I think there are certain circumstances that prevented certain people from choosing Miami," Schefter said. "And I think that those factors will come into play with Peyton Manning." Added Schefter, "I think their chances right now are dwindling some. ... Miami doesn't seem to have an advantage that it did a few days ago, in the estimation of many people around the league."
Mar 9 - 1:20 PM[/COLOR]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;894074]FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter that, in the "estimation of many people around the league," the Dolphins are losing steam in the sweepstakes for free agent Peyton Manning.[COLOR="Blue"]

Without providing detail, Schefter cited the same reasons that drove away Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher. "I think there are certain circumstances that prevented certain people from choosing Miami," Schefter said. "And I think that those factors will come into play with Peyton Manning." Added Schefter, "I think their chances right now are dwindling some. ... Miami doesn't seem to have an advantage that it did a few days ago, in the estimation of many people around the league."
Mar 9 - 1:20 PM[/COLOR][/quote]

good stuff...what are these factors? Gotta be something funny in the FO that doesnt sit right with people...interesting both those very solid coaches and people walked from Miami in Fisher and Harbaugh

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[quote=Chico23231;894075]good stuff...what are these factors? Gotta be something funny in the FO that doesnt sit right with people...interesting both those very solid coaches and people walked from Miami in Fisher and Harbaugh[/quote]

Miami has terrible karma after the Lebron/Bosh fiasco and the Hurricane recruiting scandal. Plus they've already got two World Series, CF National Championships (worthless), and an NBA title over the past few decades.

Good karma will be hard to come by. Maybe a deal with the devil? :FIREdevil

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Manning going anywhere but Miami doesn't help our chance of getting RG3. Although I think everything is in the hands of the Browns. :(

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He should play in Arizona as far as I'm concerned. That seems like a great fit.

I wonder if Elway will show up to tonight's dinner wearing his two Super Bowl rings and be like "Oh...you only have one ring. I'm so sorry"

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[quote=Dirtbag59;894074]FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter that, in the "estimation of many people around the league," the Dolphins are losing steam in the sweepstakes for free agent Peyton Manning.[COLOR=Blue]

Without providing detail, Schefter cited the same reasons that drove away Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher. "I think there are certain circumstances that prevented certain people from choosing Miami," Schefter said. "And I think that those factors will come into play with Peyton Manning." Added Schefter, "I think their chances right now are dwindling some. ... Miami doesn't seem to have an advantage that it did a few days ago, in the estimation of many people around the league."
Mar 9 - 1:20 PM[/COLOR][/quote]

Wow interesting and people say our FO is F'ed up.

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[quote=Chico23231;894075]good stuff...what are these factors? [B]Gotta be something funny in the FO that doesnt sit right with people[/B]...interesting both those very solid coaches and people walked from Miami in Fisher and Harbaugh[/quote]
In South Fl, their FO and Ownership group are not considered.....ridiculous. I doubt they can be counted on to provide adequate weapons and protection to interest PM.....

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[quote=mredskins;894080]Wow interesting and people say our FO is F'ed up.[/quote]

Yup. We've lost our title as the most dysfunctional FO to the Dolphins.

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[quote=SmootSmack;894078]He should play in Arizona as far as I'm concerned. That seems like a great fit.

I wonder if Elway will show up to tonight's dinner wearing his two Super Bowl rings and be like "Oh...you only have one ring. I'm so sorry"[/quote]

Then he gets in real close and quiet but starts talking a 1,000 words a minute with the hard sale.

"See I know what it's like. Your stupid brother who's only endorsement is some watch company now has two rings. TWO! But I can change that. I got to the playoffs with Tim Tebow. TEBOW! You were a better passer the day after your 4th surgery. Just IMAGINE what I could do with you. Think abut it."

*Does I'm watching you/seeing eye to eye gesture*

"Enjoy your evening gentlemen"

*Repeats eye to eye gesture*

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[quote=mredskins;894080]Wow interesting and people say our FO is F'ed up.[/quote]

PM apparently a little taken back by all the media frenzy down there too.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/miami-media-circus-may-make-manning-wary-of-dolphins/]Miami media circus may make Manning wary of Dolphins | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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PM to make his decision by Tuesday according to Tandler...

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/03/report-manning-to-decide-on-new-team-by-tuesday.html]Report: Manning to decide on new team by Tuesday - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]