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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;901562]I didn't know that Donte Stallworth's contract was up. He's headed back to New England. Even if Stallworth was on the roster, I doubt if he would have made the roster any. Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, Gaffney, Moss, and Banks will definitely be in the mix. I can actually see Banks getting more reps with the offense if Kyle Shanahan can fix Banks into one on one match ups.

David Anderson will probably be released before the preseason.[/quote]

i dont think Banks with be back next year, doesnt add anything to the offense. My WR's would be Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, Gaffney, Moss and Paul.

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[quote=iRepDMV;901564]No Niles Paul? If I can remember, they were very high on him.[/quote]

I forgot about Niles Paul. I've seen highlights of him on youtube making plays in the Nebraska Cornhuskers passing game. I wonder why he didn't get a lot of balls thrown to him last season.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;901567]I think Gaffney will be gone, Paul has to become more than just a blocker.[/quote]

Jabar Gaffney isn't a bad wide receiver. He was our most productive wide out last season. The trade that sent Jeremy Jarmon to Denver for Gaffney was a dirt cheap deal that worked out to our advantage. Plus Gaffney is a solid veteran.

I can't see the Redskins releasing Gaffney.

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[quote=redskins5044;901570]i dont think Banks with be back next year, doesnt add anything to the offense. My WR's would be Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, Gaffney, Moss and Paul.[/quote]

It wouldn't surprise me if they cut Banks. But the little guy is a good return man. Who else would they put back there on kick offs and punts if they were to waive Banks?

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banks has to go. i love watching the lil guy run them back but a lot of guys can return kicks. i don't know how many of our guys returned kicks in college but i'd hope to think on of the wrs is able or one of the rbs is able

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;901575]It wouldn't surprise me if they cut Banks. But the little guy is a good return man. Who else would they put back there on kick offs and punts if they were to waive Banks?[/quote]

Paul returned punts and kicks in college. i agree he is can break one at any time, but he is basically taking up a roster spot to return kicks. i could understand if he also played on the coverage teams too, but he is too small.

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[quote=redskins5044;901587]Paul returned punts and kicks in college. i agree he is can break one at any time, but he is basically taking up a roster spot to return kicks. i could understand if he also played on the coverage teams too, but he is too small.[/quote]

Psh, Banks is also our backup QB. 4th string.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;901595]Psh, Banks is also our backup QB. 4th string.[/quote]his td/int ratio is legendary

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[quote=los panda;901597]his td/int ratio is legendary[/quote]

Second only to Sav Rocca....

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If we do indeed cut Banks, I would hate to see him sign with a division rival. What if he all of a sudden becomes consistent in the return game. That would be a blower.......

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[quote=iRepDMV;901604]If we do indeed cut Banks, I would hate to see him sign with a division rival. What if he all of a sudden becomes consistent in the return game. That would be a blower.......[/quote]

That always seems to happen when we let guy's go. They blow here and then go to someone else and are lights out.

i.e. I'd hate to see Landry flourish with the Jets...

I don't see Banks getting cut before pre-season though. I think they'll probably give him another chance during those games and if he's still not making any mind blowing type of returns, I could see him getting cut then. But then again, I could see him getting cut earlier on to make more cap space.

Eh...

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[quote=SmootSmack;899169]I'm not really sure how one can say we've neglected the line[/quote]

Right, the draft hasn't even happened yet.

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[quote=iRepDMV;901604]If we do indeed cut Banks, I would hate to see him sign with a division rival. What if he all of a sudden becomes consistent in the return game. That would be a blower.......[/quote]

Banks is too small for this league.

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[quote=iRepDMV;901604]If we do indeed cut Banks, I would hate to see him sign with a division rival. What if he all of a sudden becomes consistent in the return game. That would be a blower.......[/quote]

wow he has 1 career TD on returns, oddly the same as his career TD passes. he does have a career 158.3 QB rating, so he can back up RGIII.

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[quote=milellie111;901609]Banks is too small for this league.[/quote]

Are you kidding? Darren Sproles with the Chargers is shorter than Banks. If anything Banks is too small for his POSITION.

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If Banks bulked up a bit, he'd be a formidable RB.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;901618]If Banks bulked up a bit, he'd be a formidable RB.[/quote]he just needs 40-50 pounds of muscle, should be no sweat to add it over the summer

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[quote=redskins5044;901587]Paul returned punts and kicks in college. i agree he is can break one at any time, but he is basically taking up a roster spot to return kicks. i could understand if he also played on the coverage teams too, but he is too small.[/quote]

I just dont see anything in Paul and dont think he should make the team, he hasnt showed me much explosiveness and i dont think he would be a threat back there as a returner

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[quote=los panda;901619]he just needs 40-50 pounds of muscle, should be no sweat to add it over the summer[/quote]

lol well Landry put on like 100lbs of muscle thanks to Mr. Steroid.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;901620]I just dont see anything in Paul and dont think he should make the team, he hasnt showed me much explosiveness and i dont think he would be a threat back there as a returner[/quote]

he plays special teams, and played on offense last year. banks provides nothing else but kick returning. maybe paul doesnt make the team, but i just think its is a waste to use a roster spot for a guy to just return kicks.

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Banks is a dime a dozen returner, I don't see what makes him so special. He makes me cringe every time he catches the ball, I won't miss him.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;901572]Jabar Gaffney isn't a bad wide receiver. He was our most productive wide out last season. The trade that sent Jeremy Jarmon to Denver for Gaffney was a dirt cheap deal that worked out to our advantage. Plus Gaffney is a solid veteran.



I can't see the Redskins releasing Gaffney.[/QUOTE]


He isn't bad but Morgan is a younger version of him with more explosion.

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sometimes i close my eyes and imagine brandon banks sitting on sean taylor's shoulders, walking around the mall in dc, smiling and pointing at landmarks. maybe sean holds a plastic cup w a straw up so brandon can take a sip without taking his hands off sean's chin. God bless

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;901620]I just dont see anything in Paul and dont think he should make the team, he hasnt showed me much explosiveness and i dont think he would be a threat back there as a returner[/quote]

Was Paul the guy they were trying out as punt returner last pre-season, who kept fumbling the ball? I don't remember if that was him or someone else.

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[quote=los panda;901627]sometimes i close my eyes and imagine brandon banks sitting on sean taylor's shoulders, walking around the mall in dc, smiling and pointing at landmarks. maybe sean holds a plastic cup w a straw up so brandon can take a sip without taking his hands off sean's chin. God bless[/quote]

lol whatever you're on, I want it.

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They could also stick Aldrick Robinson back there.

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But if we wanna draft a WR who also returns kicks Joe Adams is the best choice in the 3rd but WR isn't a big need anymore.

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[quote=los panda;901627]sometimes i close my eyes and imagine brandon banks sitting on sean taylor's shoulders, walking around the mall in dc, smiling and pointing at landmarks. maybe sean holds a plastic cup w a straw up so brandon can take a sip without taking his hands off sean's chin. God bless[/quote]

:grouphug:LMAO! You were just supposed to take a half of one Panda!!! You just made my. ROTFL!!

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[quote=DynamiteRave;901631]lol whatever you're on, I want it.[/quote]i left most of my bad habits in maryland. maybe there is a gas leak in my home that i'm unaware of

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As it stands right now, I think Hankerson and Garcon are the primary receivers in the base set. Morgan is the third guy. Gaffney is the fourth guy. There will be a package for each. Then if I had to pick the reserves, I'd say that Armstrong (improbably) sticks, as does Paul and Robinson to give us seven. If we spend a pick at the WR position as I expect, Robinson is out.

That means Banks is out, Moss is out, Austin is out, Anderson doesn't return, and Stallworth has obviously signed elsewhere already.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;901632]They could also stick Aldrick Robinson back there.[/quote]

Now that's who I want to see back their, AR has track speed.

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[quote=GTripp0012;901637]As it stands right now, I think Hankerson and Garcon are the primary receivers in the base set. Morgan is the third guy. Gaffney is the fourth guy. There will be a package for each. Then if I had to pick the reserves, I'd say that Armstrong (improbably) sticks, as does Paul and Robinson to give us seven. If we spend a pick at the WR position as I expect, Robinson is out.

[B]That means Banks is out, Moss is out, Austin is out, Anderson doesn't return, and Stallworth has obviously signed elsewhere already[/B].[/quote]

None of this bothers me. Moss just a little and I can see them keeping him over Gaffney. They strike me as very similar receivers at this stage of their career.

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I like Austin, but really, it should be an interesting camp competition

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;901650]I like Austin, but really, it should be an interesting camp competition[/quote]

Yeah hope they keep him around for camp so at least he can try to compete.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;901629]Was Paul the guy they were trying out as punt returner last pre-season, who kept fumbling the ball? I don't remember if that was him or someone else.[/quote]

I thought that was Ron Paul.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;901629]Was Paul the guy they were trying out as punt returner last pre-season, who kept fumbling the ball? I don't remember if that was him or someone else.[/quote]

Aldrick

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;901558]With the signings of Garcon and Morgan - - and assuming that both make it through training camp uninjured - - you can take two of those WRs you have hopes for and erase them from the Redskins' roster in 2012.[/quote]

Which is exactly why Garcon's and Morgan's respective signings are, IMO, justified. :food-smil

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[quote=SmootSmack;901658]Aldrick[/quote]

Hopefully he's been working on that & not just back flips with Paul.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;901400]There is much more hoping needed at the WR position for us than at the OL starters. We have to hope Moss's age has not caught up with him, that Gaffney can replicate his season....Wille Smith had a longer audition to showcase his stuff and he did quite well; hence, hoping for him is more plausible than hoping for the WR corps to magically transform itself into on that rivals the better ones in the league.[/quote]Good points and without turning this into a longer debate then neccesary I think the opposite of what you're saying above is true.
I'm talking specifically about Moss and Hankerson the expectations for the rest of the receiving corps is no different then any other NFL team that is trying to develop young WRs.
As far as the 'hope' theory goes for me there is less hope required players have actually achieved the level of play desired (Gaffney, Moss) vs expecting players that have not yet to reached the expected level of production.
Willie Smith was good for an UDFA [B][I]back-up[/I][/B], Polumbus also was decent for a [I][B]back-up[/B][/I], Jammal Brown was well terrible as a starter.
If the season started now we would not have a competent RT on the roster but even without Garcon and Morgan we would have 2 competent WRs in Moss and Gaffney.
And that ulitmately is the difference.
We would be hoping that Brown, Smith and Polumbus improve to a level that we've haven't seen yet(or recently in Jammal Brown's case).

[quote]Football Outsiders...Gaffney, [B]without [/B]controlling for variables such as scheme, other receivers taking pressure off of him, play action effectiveness, o-line quality, etc might have indeed performed better than Moss last year, but that does not necessarily prove that he is the better, more valuable player on the field physically....
Also, if we are to use these stats to predict future performance, the real matter is whether past DYAR and DVOA is a good indicator of future DYAR and DVOA values.[/quote]I understand your point here but I'm not using FBO to predict anything.
I posted the their stats as a reference.
And of course FBO metric has limitation every stat does but the limits you address apply to Garcon and Morgan just like the apply for Moss and Gaffney.

[quote]Garcon had even worse QBs and a worse supporting cast.[/quote]I would say that QB is a push, but lets not forget Garcon was playing with Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark.

Did the signing of Garcon and Morgan improve the WR corps? Yes.
But, again for me I think RT more so they any other position on offense was the weakest link on our starting 11.
I'm an oldschool type guy and I think physical superiority at the point of attack is the single most successful way to improve an offense.
I think finding a definitive upgrade at the RT position, more then any else, would be the most beneficial to support a rookie QB.
If people expect a Cam Newtonesque season from Griffin people shouldn't overlook the quality of Newton's OL.

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I think the notion of a #1 receiver is overrated. Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, or even Jabar Gaffney can each be a main threat in the offense. But the wide out that defenses really need to concentrate to defend against is Leonard Hankerson. Hankerson will be a dangerous receiver in the years to come you just wait and see.