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The best player who will be available on a one year deal is going to be Pac Man Jones.

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But Greg Toler and Derek Cox are excellent players as well who will fit our scheme. They'll just cost a bit more. As will Aqib Talib.

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[quote=GTripp0012;996101]But Greg Toler and Derek Cox are excellent players as well who will fit our scheme. They'll just cost a bit more. As will Aqib Talib.[/quote]

This is just a question. Do you think Talib would be worth the off-field troubles?

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[quote=GTripp0012;996101]But Greg Toler and Derek Cox are excellent players as well who will fit our scheme. They'll just cost a bit more. As will Aqib Talib.[/quote]

Cox hasnt played a complete season yet has he? Heard he is solid, but injury prone. I think Talib gonna get in the 6 million range, too high for us and I think Talib is done with effing up.

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[quote=SirLK26;996102]This is just a question. Do you think Talib would be worth the off-field troubles?[/quote]

I'm sure Bill Bellichick will brainwash Talib to stay in New England for less money.

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One thing to remember about off the field troubles, re: Jones and Talib is that players are at the biggest risk of getting themselves into trouble when they are younger. When you're talking about 26, 27, 28 year old guys, you typically aren't dealing with immaturity.

I mean, when was the last time Ben Roethlisberger was in the news for something negative? 2 maybe 3 years ago? There was a time not too long ago where the Steelers were legitimately considering parting ways.

There's always Brandon Lloyd or DeAngelo Hall types who never grow up, sure, but character is a much larger concerns with draft prospects because many ARE going to get in trouble and lose years off their pro careers.

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[quote=SirLK26;996097]I haven't heard if Atlanta has resigned Brent Grimes. If not, he would be a good replacement. Aqib Talib or Dunta Robinson would be some other options. [B]Still not sure about Charles Woodson[/B]; he's talented, no question, but he is a bit slow in my opinion.[/quote]

37, cannot run. Pass.

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[quote=Ruhskins;996104]I'm sure Bill Bellichick will brainwash Talib to stay in New England for less money.[/quote]

Talib will stay now that New England has the money to resign him with Tom Brady redoing his deal. They got a lot of cap space. May be able to resign Welker and vollmer

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You can't look at the Hall situation in a vacuum. It's not who can we get for 8 mil that would be that good.

First off, Hall isn't even going to make 8 million next year, and he knows that. So asking the question who can we get for 8 mil next year to fill his spot, is a moot point. So the question is who can we get for 4 million? And is said player going to take reps from a possibly emerging Minnifield/Crawford down the line, due to guaranteed contract? Will said player take the free agent, I've been paid plunge? Will said player alter our drafting strategy and prevent us from drafting a CB?

I personally would like to see what Hall can do with descent safety play behind him in the scheme. One thing Hall can do is make a play on the ball, with a better pass rush and a safety that can allow Hall more leeway to take those chances, we may see a much better performance from Hall.

IMO this season we should acquire a CB either via draft/FA but I don't think said DB should be our #1 CB, or at least expected to be. If he pulls a Sherman and emerges, that's all the better for the Skins. But the last thing I want to do, is go spending 8 mil on a new #1 CB.

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I would drop hall to 4-4.5 mil a year. Grab a RT, MLB, and a safety in FA with the rest.

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Would you guys consider Ellerbe from the Ravens to replace fletch?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;996127]Would you guys consider Ellerbe from the Ravens to replace fletch?[/quote]

Personally would like to see what we have in Robinson first. We got Riley as a thumper, and Robinson is the better LB in coverage. Could be precisely what we need considering how poorly we did vs TEs last year.

Priorities need to be locking up Zo and R Jackson. After that I'd look towards starting RT and FS, and competition for CBl.

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I haven't seen much of anything in Robinson, but its because most of us haven't. I have no idea how to judge hum.

You are correct though in that we need a tall coverage MLB.

As far as Zo and Jax, of course that is number 1, if it is affordable which I beleive it can be. Jackson is an RFA (so we have cheaper options as fair as price + draft picks if the plater is signed else where) and I have an idea Zo won't have a big enough market to warrant him leaving. Or who knows maybe someone want to vastly over pay them?

I would also like to see us keep Kory L, Pulombus (as depth), or just Kory L. Young is high in my mind, but as much as I like Davis if he commands to much on the open market I let him walk. If we somehow recoup cap space (doubtful) then I may up my offer, but we won without him and there are options out there. That being said Paulsen is another RFA I would put the tag on if we cant get him signed to a multiyear deal.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;996127]Would you guys consider Ellerbe from the Ravens to replace fletch?[/quote]

Ellerbes good, but like someone else said, I'd like to see what we got in Robinson. If Lorenzo goes and fletcher goes, I'm signing Larry Grant from San Fran, because he sits behind the 2 best MLBs in the game and is a special teams captain. In the limited action he's played on San Frans defense, he looked good and like he has a lot of potential.

If Zo stays and Fletch retires, I'd bring in Bart Scott as insurance incase Robinson can't hold up.

If Scott is ''too old'' then I wouldn't mind asking Oakland about Rolando McClain.

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I have a couple of questions:

If Fletcher retires, do the Skins recover his entire $6M+ in salary cap room?

Does anyone know what Tanard Jackson has done, if anything, about his substance abuse problem? The reason I'm asking is that I'm wondering if he has gone to rehab, stayed away from dope, and made a commitment to a lifestyle change could he and the Redskins seek an early lifting of his suspension so he could participate in Training Camp? The Skins hold his NFL rights and the man can play football. A straight T. Jackson could help this team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;996138]I have a couple of questions:

If Fletcher retires, do the Skins recover his entire $6M+ in salary cap room?

Does anyone know what Tanard Jackson has done, if anything, about his substance abuse problem? The reason I'm asking is that I'm wondering if he has gone to rehab, stayed away from dope, and made a commitment to a lifestyle change could he and the Redskins seek an early lifting of his suspension so he could participate in Training Camp? The Skins hold his NFL rights and the man can play football. A straight T. Jackson could help this team.[/quote]

If he retires any bonus money that is not his base salary is accelerated to be paid immediately. Subtract that from his total and that gives you how much cap relief we get.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;996138]I have a couple of questions:

If Fletcher retires, do the Skins recover his entire $6M+ in salary cap room?

Does anyone know what Tanard Jackson has done, if anything, about his substance abuse problem? The reason I'm asking is that I'm wondering if he has gone to rehab, stayed away from dope, and made a commitment to a lifestyle change could he and the Redskins seek an early lifting of his suspension so he could participate in Training Camp? The Skins hold his NFL rights and the man can play football. A straight T. Jackson could help this team.[/quote]

According to a link that was posted in another thread, we would save $3.3 mil. on the cap if Fletch retires.

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[quote=Lotus;996145]According to a link that was posted in another thread, we would save $3.3 mil. on the cap if Fletch retires.[/quote]

Thanks!

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;996131]I haven't seen much of anything in Robinson, but its because most of us haven't. I have no idea how to judge hum. [/quote]
Certainly. I was making that assertion based on his college scouting reports, and what I heard out of camp last year. In addition, just yesterday on Inside the Locker Room, B Mitch and Doc were gushing about him, specifically his coverage skills.

But as you said, we haven't gotten to see much of him.

[quote]As far as Zo and Jax, of course that is number 1, if it is affordable which I beleive it can be. Jackson is an RFA (so we have cheaper options as fair as price + draft picks if the plater is signed else where) and I have an idea Zo won't have a big enough market to warrant him leaving. Or who knows maybe someone want to vastly over pay them?[/quote]
I could see the Redskins allowing the Market to set their value. I personally think Zo is pretty underrated by fans. People treat him like he's a special teamer and neglect that he played both ILB/OLB last year and fairly well. It's a lot harder to find a diverse player, that can win their match-up more than they lose it, and follow their assignment within a scheme, than some seem to think. It essentially frees up both a roster space and some cap room, because one person can fill the role that two players usually have on a team. Not to mention, if need be, I'm sure he could add 30+ LBs and play 5 tech DE lol.

Zo has a smart football mind IMO, and his depth is crucial, especially if London walks.

[quote]I would also like to see us keep Kory L, Pulombus (as depth), or just Kory L. Young is high in my mind, but as much as I like Davis if he commands to much on the open market I let him walk. If we somehow recoup cap space (doubtful) then I may up my offer, but we won without him and there are options out there. That being said Paulsen is another RFA I would put the tag on if we cant get him signed to a multiyear deal.[/quote]

I'd be more willing to let Davis go if the TE position hadn't increased in demand. I actually have been working on a piece, that discusses market forces in building a team. Most recently I think the undervalued TE, was a great building block. Hopefully I can post it one day, if I ever finish.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;996127]Would you guys consider Ellerbe from the Ravens to replace fletch?[/quote]

Id be happy with Ellerbe in the middle for sure.

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The other thing about Ellerbe is that he is very, very injury prone.

Keep this in mind, he was a backup the previous 3 years and this year he started 7 or 8 games, and was still injured/playing with numerous injuries. In those 3 years he wasn't starting and was a back up/package player/special teams guy, he was still missing time with injuries.

So ask yourself, do you really want a guy who when healthy, which is a rare sighting, is a top 20 MLB at best?

And also, do you think the Ravens who just lost Ray Lewis and McClain has a neck/spine injury, are going to let this guy walk? And if they do let this guy walk, maybe you can blame money, but I would think it would be a major concern to see them let him walk away in FA, that would be a red flag to whichever team signs him.

Someone said he's a Dexter Jackson signing waiting to happen, they may be right.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996085]I'm all for cutting Hall, however I do see why people want to keep him being that theres not many starting caliber CBs out there.

People have thrown out the names Greg Toler and Leodis McKelvin, but a lot of these CBs in the draft are as good or better than those guys.[/quote]

thank you. amen

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I get we need to draft a guy, but I don't think we are better served now by going with Wilson and four 2 2nd yr and 2 rookie year guys.

We need at least two CBs with playing experience. If not three. I could be wrong.

We can't doing anything but get better though I suppose. A pass rush will help tremendously; IE Carricker and Rak back healthy.

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It needs to be said that the Redskins may not be able to keep DHall even if they want to. I mean, how much of a pay cut we he have to accept for it to make sense for both sides for him to stay? Maybe 50% or more, I would think. He might not want to do that.

To me, it's unthinkable for the Skins to consider giving him a multi-year contract with bonuses or guaranteed money.

Like it or not, the best alternative may be to simply cut him. To me, that means the Skins will need to pick up a CB in FA and draft a good one, as well.

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Jairus Byrd has been franchised. There goes one prospective secondary player off our radar.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/transactions]NFL Football Transactions - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;996276]Jairus Byrd has been franchised. There goes one prospective secondary player off our radar.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/transactions]NFL Football Transactions - National Football League - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Wow..um do you want to place a bet with me who the next FA's will be who get franchised? My moneys on Michael Johnson, Pat MacAfee, Henry Melton, and Ryan Clady....not that I already knew this almost a week ago like the rest of NFL fans..

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;996272]It needs to be said that the Redskins may not be able to keep DHall even if they want to. I mean, how much of a pay cut we he have to accept for it to make sense for both sides for him to stay? Maybe 50% or more, I would think. He might not want to do that.

To me, it's unthinkable for the Skins to consider giving him a multi-year contract with bonuses or guaranteed money.

Like it or not, the best alternative may be to simply cut him. To me, that means the Skins will need to pick up a CB in FA and draft a good one, as well.[/quote]

I think the most likely best case offer from the team is they split the $8M he's due this year over 2 years, basically giving him a one year extension.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996292]Wow..um do you want to place a bet with me who the next FA's will be who get franchised? My moneys on Michael Johnson, Pat MacAfee, Henry Melton, and Ryan Clady....not that I already knew this almost a week ago like the rest of NFL fans..[/quote]

Way to be a cynical @ hole. It just happened on Friday. No one had posted it yet, so I thought I would. Why don't you take your rude childishness to ES board. You'd fit in perfect there.

Edit: Okay so I just went back to look and saw Matty posted it on Friday. Missed it somehow. You still need to get over yourself Cult.

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[quote=SkinzWin;996301]Way to be a cynical @ hole. It just happened on Friday. No one had posted it yet, so I thought I would. Why don't you take your rude childishness to ES board. You'd fit in perfect there.

Edit: Okay so I just went back to look and saw Matty posted it on Friday. Missed it somehow. You still need to get over yourself Cult.[/quote]

Sorry for the a hole response. Future reference though, is to see the date of the news article and if it is greater than one day, more than likely its already been posted on this site at least once.

And Randy Starks has just been franchised along with Anthony Spencer today

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I say be patient with free agency this year and wait until after the draft to sign a veteran safety, cornerback, and right tackle - unless there is a player that is under the radar that you can get with a very good deal early on. They need to at least sign a quality veteran cb and veteran ot because there seems to be a number of them with starting experience - especially at cb. The 2nd round pick should be focused on the best safety in the draft unless there is an immediate impact player that drops down to them.

That would be my strategy with needs and free agency. Draft first then fa because of the redskins cap situation this year and the depth in the draft and fa.

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My last post doesn't sound very exciting, but in recent history- a successful offseason is made with a great draft, the resigning of key players, and underrated, quiet free agency with relatively inexpensive deals.

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It rarely works out when your free agency signings get the most attention. Especially if you sign a top free agent.

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My strategy with the top player in free agency is - DON'T sign him. Here's some recent examples: Mario Williams, asomough, Haynesworth.

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[quote=warriorzpath;996363]I say be patient with free agency this year and wait until after the draft to sign a veteran safety, cornerback, and right tackle - unless there is a player that is under the radar that you can get with a very good deal early on. They need to at least sign a quality veteran cb and veteran ot because there seems to be a number of them with starting experience - especially at cb. The 2nd round pick should be focused on the best safety in the draft unless there is an immediate impact player that drops down to them.

That would be my strategy with needs and free agency. Draft first then fa because of the redskins cap situation this year and the depth in the draft and fa.[/quote]
Yeah this sounds like a great idea. We will end up with Madeu Williams, Stepfan Hyer, and Fred smoot.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;996375]Yeah this sounds like a great idea. We will end up with Madeu Williams, Stepfan Hyer, and Fred smoot.[/quote]

Or Cyprien, Ryan Harris, and a veteran cb with starting experience like Routt, mike Jenkins, Tracy porter, Adam jones, or better- who by the way are 3 near the bottom of the list of free agent cornerbacks. They could get a number of guys that could be solid starters and also get tyrann matheiu or another cb in the 3rd round in the draft.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;996375]Yeah this sounds like a great idea. We will end up with Madeu Williams, Stepfan Hyer, and Fred smoot.[/quote]

When a specific position is strong in the draft, usually there are cuts of some pretty good players at those positions. They might not happen until TC, but they will most likely happen. Never rush to overpay a vet in FA when the position is strong in the draft unless that one vet is a perfect fit/must have for your team.

If you think the only RT's and safeties that are going to be decent FA's are already on the market, then you are mistaken. I expect enough good safeties to be cut heading into or out of TC that M. Williams will be an after thought even if we dont look immediately in FA for a safety. Thrown in that the skins were a playoff team last year, and some of those last minute cuts will take the a very low salary to be given a chance at a starting job and a trip to the playoffs. That wasnt something we could look forward to in the past.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;996375]Yeah this sounds like a great idea. We will end up with Madeu Williams, Stepfan Hyer, and Fred smoot.[/quote]

You must've put a lot of thought into this post, considering that you misspelled 2 of these players' names(Stepfan???), only listed former (signed) redskins players- and one who hasn't played since 2009. What was the purpose of this post? ... to try to provide the most minimum effort into a reply???

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[quote=warriorzpath;996382]You must've put a lot of thought into this post, considering that you misspelled 2 of these players' names(Stepfan???), only listed former (signed) redskins players- and one who hasn't played since 2009. What was the purpose of this post? ... to try to provide the most minimum effort into a reply???[/quote]
Thats the thing, they will be guys that you wont even know how to spell their names. What you really meant is wait until the dust settles and then sign guys like Cedric Griffin a week or two into free agency. If you wait till after the draft you will have to get lucky. Not how you want to run your team. The Redskins will make a move for guys like Greg Toler, Keenan Lewis, and Chris Clemons. They are not as strapped as you think.

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Schefter saying that goldson isn't coming back to San Fran. If they're getting rid of him, then there must be something wrong with him/ he's a system player.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;996383]Thats the thing, they will be guys that you wont even know how to spell their names. What you really meant is wait until the dust settles and then sign guys like Cedric Griffin a week or two into free agency. If you wait till after the draft you will have to get lucky. Not how you want to run your team. The Redskins will make a move for guys like Greg Toler, Keenan Lewis, and Chris Clemons. They are not as strapped as you think.[/quote]

The redskins ARE cap-strapped. They are around 3 million over and haven't even re-signed any of their own several free-agents yet. And on top of that they need to sign their draft picks. There's been a number of $13 million thrown out there that they need to free up by restructuring existing contracts or by cuts - just to achieve this.

All of this before even thinking about signing free agents that are coming from other teams. So that's $13 million plus the cap-hit this year for any additional free agents that they would want to sign.