Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=The Goat;1042152]Ahhhh. What about the larger question of the Skins attracting coaching talent? Is it a desired job/market?[/quote]

Yes, definitely. But part of that is because of the boatloads of money a HC knows he could get here

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=The Goat;1042152]Ahhhh. What about the larger question of the Skins attracting coaching talent? Is it a desired job/market?[/quote]

I think the division is weak, you have talent at the QB spot, and an owner willing to max out the cap...also the best fans in the country. What other reason do you need?

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1042175]Yes, definitely. But part of that is because of the boatloads of money a HC knows he could get here[/quote]

Which is why I hope we only contract a hungry young and up and comer.

I think we'll also have one of the more talented rosters available among those teams looking for a HC, which should also help coax someone decent.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

I think knowing that this team has a franchise quarterback, that will make the head coaching position very attractive to any candidate.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsguy;1042027]How hard is it not to imagine Steve Spurrier?

I suppose, now, it's probably inevitable that the Redskins will be rolling with a new coaching staff next year. My only word of caution on that is the "anybody but Shanahan is better" approach is NOT the way to go. Because, just anybody isn't a better option than Mike Shanahan. No matter how this season ends (and it looks to end badly) I maintain my admiration for the good things/the right things that Mike Shanahan has done for this team. The bottom line is, I realize, wins and loses.

With that said, if what Smootsmack has said is what's happening in terms of the front office, then let the new GM pick the head coach and let [I]that[/I] head coach pick his coordinators and assistant coaches. I don't personally have a favorite in terms of head coaching candidates, but I do have traits/personalities/work ethics that need to be a must if he is to succeed in Washington.

[B]The new head coach is going to have to be a disciplinarian, first and foremost. It is not acceptable to bring in a "bright offensive mind" that has no idea how to establish discipline. I'd argue that it's pretty easy to find a bright offensive mind - but none of it works without discipline. [/B]

[B]Secondly, the coach needs to have a work ethic that is common to what we saw when Joe Gibbs coached this team in the 80's. Someone who's willing to live, eat, and breathe Redskins football. Someone who is willing to put in the hours it takes to make this team a winner. If he's not willing to stay (and live) at Redskins Park until the wee hours of the morning, I don't want him in Washington. [/B]

Lastly, the coach needs to have an eye of talent. It's not always the GM (alone) that brings in the players - the coaches have say as well. This new coach will need to work closely with the GM to bring in exactly what he needs. It can't simply be "we bring in the players, you coach them" approach. That doesn't work.

The next six weeks will be interesting.[/quote]

Yeah we see how that "disciplinarian" approach is working for Tampa Bay. lol. The entire building in TB hates the guy. That hardass shit doesn't work in today's NFL.

Second, as I said before. All the crap about sleeping in the office is pure overrated BS. So you're saying if the new coach isn't willing to stay at the park until 3am you don't want him?? LOL. That statement is laughable and stupid. It doesn't even deserve a comeback. Glad you're not running the team.

As for Ritchie...his entire staff on the defensive side of the ball was usually out of the Park by 7pm or 8pm. This was confirmed by a PR person that I knew that worked for the Redskins back in 92-94. During that time I was a bar manager ( in my mid 20's) and we had a show that booked Redskins every Monday during the season. Ray Brown was one of nicest guys you'd ever want to meet....so was Andre Collins. Gibbs and the guys on offense would stay til.."the wee hours" of the morning"...as you like to put it.

Both sides of the ball were successful during that time period. My point is...it doesn't take coaches sleeping at Redskins Park to win.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1042176]I think the division is weak, you have talent at the QB spot, and an owner willing to max out the cap...also the best fans in the country. What other reason do you need?[/quote]

All that. And more.

We're talented at QB, RB (x2), FB, LT, WR (need more), and TE on offense. On defense I think we're nearly complete along the front 7, with an improved scheme and defensive coach. I think we have two starting corners in Hall and Amerson. I think we have a bunch of marginal guys at safety, with the hope Rambo develops into a starter.

We need depth everywhere but QB, RB and TE though. There's work to be done.

And DC is an awesome market. One of my fav cities in America and obviously a great football tradition.

And our owner WILL spend his money to improve the team.

What we need is a much improved coaching staff and talent influx to leverage the next off-season.

Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[QUOTE=mbedner3420;1042102]I agree. Listening to that press conference yesterday, he just seemed like he was done. Sad really, I was hoping he'd get a chance to turn it around. Evidently, he's just not the right person for the job. I'm glad he brought us to a point of respectability, but it's time for a divorce.[/QUOTE]

Your idea of respectability and my idea of respectability are two totally different things.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Coach Red Beaulieu and his whole staff.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsguy;1042178]I think knowing that this team has a franchise quarterback, that will make the head coaching position very attractive to any candidate.[/quote]

In the interest of fairness is it really a set, for sure, done deal type thing that RG3 is TRULY a Franchise QB?

Of games i've watched, there are certainly days where he looks like that and more. But there are also lots of games where he is Jason Campbell-esque, maybe actually a little worse.

Wouldn't it be fairer to try and give RG3 another analysis after one more year and see if he regresses further next season?

He looked absolutely like garbage the entire eagles game until the 4th quarter, when the eagles fell asleep and our offense suddenly came alive.

Don't get me wrong. I like RG3 and I think he is a step in the right direction, but i remember people were saying the same stuff about Jason Campbell. We hung on WAYYY too long with Campbell after it became clear he wasn't the answer. I hope the same mistake is not made again, that could cost us valuable building years....

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;1042185]Coach Red Beaulieu and his whole staff.[/QUOTE]

Perfect

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsguy;1042178]I think knowing that this team has a franchise quarterback, that will make the head coaching position very attractive to any candidate.[/quote]

Shit, if he spent a day on these forums, who wouldn't think we had one. lol Guy makes a few bad throws, and we want Cousins. LMAO

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Schefter to discuss RG's post game comments. Lmao what a piece of theatre. Every person who knows two bits about football has seen opposing defenses call Kyles plays before he does lol. I was saying this three years ago for fuck sakes.

The shanahans have no business being in pro football, period. Mike's message went stale nearly a decade ago and his goofy kid has no better football acumen than your typical football fan. Legacy crap like this is an embarrassment to the league IMO.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Impressed with Ron Rivera being able to embrace the "Riverboat Ron" meme, and defining himself as a quality head coach in this league. Wasn't looking good for him a couple months ago. Not at all dissimilar to Coughlin in 2007.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=The Goat;1042274]Schefter to discuss RG's post game comments. Lmao what a piece of theatre. Every person who knows two bits about football has seen opposing defenses call Kyles plays before he does lol. I was saying this three years ago for fuck sakes.

The shanahans have no business being in pro football, period. Mike's message went stale nearly a decade ago and his goofy kid has no better football acumen than your typical football fan. Legacy crap like this is an embarrassment to the league IMO.[/quote]Great post, agree 100%.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1042179]Yeah we see how that "disciplinarian" approach is working for Tampa Bay. lol. The entire building in TB hates the guy. That hardass shit doesn't work in today's NFL. [/quote]

Seems to have worked just fine for the Patriots and Giants in modern football. But of course, you absolutely turn a blind eye toward what else I said - which is a coach that players respect and WANT to play for. Nice try but you failed again.

[quote=skinsfan69;1042179]Second, as I said before. All the crap about sleeping in the office is pure overrated BS. So you're saying if the new coach isn't willing to stay at the park until 3am you don't want him?? LOL. That statement is laughable and stupid. It doesn't even deserve a comeback. Glad you're not running the team. [/quote]

Now look who's trying to put words in who's mouth? Again, I never said anything about sleeping in the office - you are the one who brought that up. I merely was saying that I want a coach who's willing to put in the time it takes to make this team successful - a perfectionist like Bill Walsh - someone who's going to take pride in being a Redskins head coach. If he can do all that by 8pm every night, great. But my point is, and obviously you cannot read context clues, is that I want a coach who is not going to put in minimal effort. I want maximum effort out of the coach. That is all I meant when I said a coach who's willing to put in long hours at Redskins Park - because it's going to take a heck of an effort to build this team into a constant winner.

[quote=skinsfan69;1042179]As for Ritchie...his entire staff on the defensive side of the ball was usually out of the Park by 7pm or 8pm. This was confirmed by a PR person that I knew that worked for the Redskins back in 92-94. During that time I was a bar manager ( in my mid 20's) and we had a show that booked Redskins every Monday during the season. Ray Brown was one of nicest guys you'd ever want to meet....so was Andre Collins. Gibbs and the guys on offense would stay til.."the wee hours" of the morning"...as you like to put it. [/quote]

And this is where I'm calling you out on. Because in 1992, Richie was still the defensive coordinator - HE WAS NOT THE FREAKIN' HEAD COACH! I wouldn't expect Petitbon to put in the long hours that Gibbs did. GIBBS DID BECAUSE HE WAS THE HEAD COACH. What part of this do you not comprehend? And secondly, OK, 1993 - Richie Petitbon was head coach. Didn't put in the long hours? Look what the record was in 1993 - 4-12. Richie Petitbon was fired. In 1994, no more Gibbs and Richie Petitbon. So your example proves more of my point than it does yours.


[quote=skinsfan69;1042179]Both sides of the ball were successful during that time period. My point is...it doesn't take coaches sleeping at Redskins Park to win.[/quote]

No it wasn't. 1992 was the year after the 'skins last Super Bowl run and they barely made it into the playoffs. 1993, the team was 4-12. 1994, Norv Turner was hired. You have not proved your point at all. Thanks for making it easy in proving mine.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1042189]In the interest of fairness is it really a set, for sure, done deal type thing that RG3 is TRULY a Franchise QB?

Of games i've watched, there are certainly days where he looks like that and more. But there are also lots of games where he is Jason Campbell-esque, maybe actually a little worse.

Wouldn't it be fairer to try and give RG3 another analysis after one more year and see if he regresses further next season?

He looked absolutely like garbage the entire eagles game until the 4th quarter, when the eagles fell asleep and our offense suddenly came alive.

Don't get me wrong. I like RG3 and I think he is a step in the right direction, but i remember people were saying the same stuff about Jason Campbell. We hung on WAYYY too long with Campbell after it became clear he wasn't the answer. I hope the same mistake is not made again, that could cost us valuable building years....[/quote]

For all in tense and purposes, RGIII is considered a franchise quarterback. It doesn't matter how this season as gone, RGIII taking his team to the playoffs and winning the NFC East division in his rookie year, on top of being ROY as well, is more than enough to have coaches excited about wanting to come to Washington and have RGIII. If it was Rex Grossman, then no, I think coaches would realize they have their work cut out for them.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

The fact that I'm now 65 years old definitely colors my viewpoint on the HC issue. I need to bear in mind that I could drop dead at any time - I know that because my life insurance premiums have gone through the roof.

With that in mind, there is no way that I can entertain the idea of an extension for Shanny. I suppose that I could reluctantly accept the idea that he might finish out his current contract, depending on how well the team plays from this point forward. But even that bothers me because I find it hard to give full credit for wins in games that are essentially meaningless for the Redskins.

At this point in my life, I don't have the time for an underperforming HC to squat on a $7M per year job for 5 years. My ideal contract for a HC would be short term (perhaps 2 years) with with incentives that, if certain goals are achieved, would trigger an automatic extension and a big raise. The trick would be to pay the HC very well to begin with and exceptionally well if he achieves his given targets. But things are so screwed up in the NFL, I assume that such a performance-based contract would be disallowed by the league.

By the way, if some coaches would not accept such a deal, then I would only interview those who would accept it.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

The comparisons to Jason Campbell are mind boggling to me.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=irish;1042285]When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.[/quote]

I know what you mean. It’s worth nothing though that Cerrato was likely a huge factor in undermining each of the coaches he’s worked alongside, to the point the mess that was created when the current regime arrived is one of the few things everyone agrees Shanny has, for the most part addressed.

It’s why I honestly believe that if the foundations are stable, and they appear to be i.e. the locker room isn’t poisonous, the owner has learned to refrain from meddling, we have a franchise QB and a handful of promising young players, then if it’s all change again the transition should in theory be smoother and we ultimately get to where we want to be quicker and more progressively than in previous years.

As has been hinted at, Mike may not even want to finish up his contract if he feels next year is a must win situation. And if that is the case, then it’s in the best interests of the team that he’s allowed to walk at the end of the season as despondency at H/C level can breed a negative mentality. I haven’t seen his post-game interview after the Eagles loss, but understand it suggested he’s there already unfortunately and if true, then it’s a shame all round but again, the best interests of the team are what matter.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Lotus;1042311]Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.[/quote]

Damn right! As a three-way player, he would have been a big upgrade at WR, Free Safety, and PR/KR!

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=irish;1042285]When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.[/quote]

Well hindsight is always 20/20. Hindsight tells me you wait until the season is over to fire Norv Turner (the Redskins still had a winning record when Turner was fired.) Hindsight also tells me not to fire Charlie Casserly. Who knows? Charlie as GM and then hiring in Marty? That probably would have gotten the 'skins back on track.

It's just one of those things where this franchise has to continue to evolve into a "winning team" in the front office first before we can truly see it trickle down to the field. We've been saying this ever since we had to deal with Snyder/Cerrato as THE front office. Now that we've had a few years with Bruce Allen, we can at least see a big difference on the money side of things. But there's still work that has to be done in the front office, and it sounds like they're trying to do this. Allen is great with the money part of it, now the Redskins are looking for the perfect GM who has an eye for talent in both head coaching and players. Now, I have no idea on who they plan on moving up or hiring in for that - but this will be more crucial than trying to figure out who coaches the Redskins in '14.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=punch it in;1042182]Your idea of respectability and my idea of respectability are two totally different things.[/quote]

I have to agree with this. One year out of what 4 or 5 being above 500 is not what I would call respectability. I'll say he has brought "Order" to this team in that most of the bad character people have been shipped out. Plus the team has been rather quiet in the offseason. Although I'm afraid after this year Snyder might get back on his bandwagon again.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Lotus;1042311]Shanny should be fired for not starting Pat White. This is an egregious error. If Pat White were starting, we would have clinched the playoffs already.[/quote]

......maybe.
I think what bothers me the most (and I'm hearing it happened due to the league putting pressure on the team or MS) is RG3 getting the nod to start when he clearly was not 100%, I don't care how many times he says he was. To me 100% means he no longer needs that leg brace that is slowing him down and hindering his running and cutting ability. Is he 80% probably. But he got zippy work with the WR's and TEs in the offseason and it showed, his timing was off and balls were over thrown. Heck we still see it.

I would have played Cousins cause he had all preseason to practice with the WR's and TE's. I'd have let RG3 sit until maybe game 4 or whenever we played the Raiders. Depending on how he looked in practice I might have held him out until after the bye.

Right now.... I'd bench him to keep him healthy and so he didn't take all those hits, I'd play Cousins to show case him maybe for a trade.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1042147]Agree with most except TW, he's an all pro and most people have said it during our games[/quote]

He might be an all pro but to me it seems this year he's getting beat a lot. Maybe it's scheme. Maybe it's something else....perhaps he lost weight or gained weight. I don't know. Maybe what he's being asked to do this year is not his strong suit. IDK.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Paintrain;1042151]Yeah, we were down 24-0 and ran a dive play.. My thought was, well I'm glad we set this up all game.. We owned time of possession and yardage so I'm not sure why we didn't up the tempo. Seems like a flaw of this staff not to recognize when a change is needed quickly enough. Lynch was praising the play calling when we were down 17-0 for 'not abandoning the gameplan' which is like praising the flight attendants for finishing beverage service on a plane plummeting through 18,000 feet.

There are certain assumptions I had about this staff that have proven false time and time again. It took me a while (almost as long as it does for Haslett to adjust) but I've mentally pulled the plug on this regime.[/quote]

Well as sad as it is I was 100% the Shanahan pick. Although prior I think I said Gruden. I felt all the Denver problems were the DC which Shanahan picked someone else and maybe the owner not paying for players.

Looking back at the 1st game what worked? Up tempo, no huddle, passing down the middle. So what did this team do? came out and did exactly what they did in the first game. Huddled, slow tempo, ran, and passes no more then 10yrds. Fail, Fail, Fail, and Fail. The Eagles strongest part of their defense is their DL (which is why the run didn't work) and their LB's (which is why the short passes were broken up or not working). Every team all season found a whole in the middle of the Eagles defense down the middle. What did the Skins do? 5 yrd dump offs and sideline passes.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1042054]i wouldnt mind bringing Briles in, but he cant run everything on his own. We would need a strong d cordinator, someone who can bring him along. Someone who is known and respected in the lockeroom. We are losing alot vets and leadership out of the lockeroom this year.

If we brought Briles with a weak staff, I have no doubt it would be another Spurrier epic fail.[/quote]

I'd let Briles run his offense. It's what made RG3 famous. However, you right we would need a strong OC to be able to point out what will work and what won't, not a yes man.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

I really hope you guys are being sarcastic when you're talking about Pat White.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsguy;1042305]Seems to have worked just fine for the Patriots and Giants in modern football. But of course, you absolutely turn a blind eye toward what else I said - which is a coach that players respect and WANT to play for. Nice try but you failed again.



Now look who's trying to put words in who's mouth? Again, I never said anything about sleeping in the office - you are the one who brought that up. I merely was saying that I want a coach who's willing to put in the time it takes to make this team successful - a perfectionist like Bill Walsh - someone who's going to take pride in being a Redskins head coach. If he can do all that by 8pm every night, great. But my point is, and obviously you cannot read context clues, is that I want a coach who is not going to put in minimal effort. I want maximum effort out of the coach. That is all I meant when I said a coach who's willing to put in long hours at Redskins Park - because it's going to take a heck of an effort to build this team into a constant winner.



[B]And this is where I'm calling you out on. Because in 1992, Richie was still the defensive coordinator - HE WAS NOT THE FREAKIN' HEAD COACH! I wouldn't expect Petitbon to put in the long hours that Gibbs did. GIBBS DID BECAUSE HE WAS THE HEAD COACH. What part of this do you not comprehend? And secondly, OK, 1993 - Richie Petitbon was head coach. Didn't put in the long hours? Look what the record was in 1993 - 4-12. Richie Petitbon was fired. In 1994, no more Gibbs and Richie Petitbon. So your example proves more of my point than it does yours.[/B]




No it wasn't. 1992 was the year after the 'skins last Super Bowl run and they barely made it into the playoffs. 1993, the team was 4-12. 1994, Norv Turner was hired. You have not proved your point at all. Thanks for making it easy in proving mine.[/quote]

Really? I didn't know that! lol..my point was Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense. Yeah the coach has extra responsibilities...but there's no reason for a head coach to stay til 3am to be a winner. We'll agree to disagree.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.


Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1042348]Really? I didn't know that! lol..my point was Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense. Yeah the coach has extra responsibilities...but there's no reason for a head coach to stay til 3am to be a winner. We'll agree to disagree.[/quote]

Obviously you didn't, because your prior point was that a head coach doesn't need to stay late to be successful and you used your "inside source, lol" from an era in which Gibbs was pretty much done with coaching (1992) to prove your point that a coach doesn't need to work late to be a winner. And then added that Gibbs was the one (1992) that stayed late, lol! Such a contradiction. And then I point that fact out to you, and then you say your point was that Joe Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense - lol! Sorry, but you did a piss poor job of proving your point. I'll certainly agree to disagree, because you're wrong, lol!

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1042357]Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.


Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.[/quote]

I agree with you. I'm all for giving Shanahan another year to prove he's the guy to turn things around, but it sounds like if the front office is not willing to give him an extension (and right now I do have to say there's more reason not to) then I doubt Mike would stay as a lame duck head coach. Then again, maybe he doesn't see it that way? In the end, I just want this team to win. I don't care who the head coach is, I just want this team winning on a regular basis. Playoffs, Super Bowls, etc...

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1042357]Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.

Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.[/quote]
The problem with just replacing the coordinators is you almost have to extend Shanny in order to attract quality candidates and free agents. Nobody (of quality) is going to come to a team with a lame duck head coach and an owner with a history of an itchy trigger finger. We'd get people to fill the slots but will they be an improvement over what we already have?

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Paintrain;1042366]The problem with just replacing the coordinators is you almost have to extend Shanny in order to attract quality candidates and free agents. Nobody (of quality) is going to come to a team with a lame duck head coach and an owner with a history of an itchy trigger finger. We'd get people to fill the slots but will they be an improvement over what we already have?[/quote]

That's another great point. What coordinators would come in for possibly just one season, knowing a new coaching regime would probably not retain them? It would be a huge gamble. You almost have to go ahead and extend Shanahan's contract now for that to be realistic.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsguy;1042364]I agree with you. I'm all for giving Shanahan another year to prove he's the guy to turn things around, but it sounds like if the front office is not willing to give him an extension (and right now I do have to say there's more reason not to) then [B]I doubt Mike would stay as a lame duck head coach. [/B]Then again, maybe he doesn't see it that way? In the end, I just want this team to win. I don't care who the head coach is, I just want this team winning on a regular basis. Playoffs, Super Bowls, etc...[/quote]

The flip side is that he's said on many occasions that he told Snyder 'unless you're going to give me the full 5 years, don't hire me'. So if I'm Snyder I'm throwing that right back at him. I'll give you the full 5 years but nothing more until you prove to me you've earned another 3. Make him match the commitment...if that's the route they choose.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

I saw someone mention on Twitter that Coughlin won the SB in 2007 as a lame duck coach. So it's not really a deal breaker.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

This is true, so who knows what happens? Ultimately, I don't care who the coach is, I just want this team winning and playing championship football.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Mattyk;1042387]I saw someone mention on Twitter that Coughlin won the SB in 2007 as a lame duck coach. So it's not really a deal breaker.[/quote]

I think the difference there is that Coughlin hadn't yet won his superbowls. Shanny's predigree is very different than that of Coughlin's at the time.

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=mbedner3420;1042444]I think the difference there is that Coughlin hadn't yet won his superbowls. Shanny's predigree is very different than that of Coughlin's at the time.[/quote]

Yeah but Coughlin was still a well established veteran coach even before the SB wins which only solidified his status.

My question is does Shanahan walk away from $7.5M and the challenge of getting this team on track? I have a feeling Snyder will be reluctant to fire him, so ultimately it will come down to what Shanahan wants to do. Come back and be a "lame duck" and earn an extension or walk away?