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[quote=irish;1073544]There is no chance DS will build a new stadium on his own dime.[/quote]

I'm in no way a snyder fan/defender/supporter/etc, but that's hardly unique to him.

The NFL has successfully made itself a bully to local, state, and in a sense even the federal government. All these new stadiums are being financed by governments. If I recall, even JKC had FedEx paid for by PG County; the redskins just have a 30 year lease on the stadium.

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[quote=tshile;1073545]I'm in no way a snyder fan/defender/supporter/etc, but that's hardly unique to him.

The NFL has successfully made itself a bully to local, state, and in a sense even the federal government. All these new stadiums are being financed by governments. If I recall, even JKC had FedEx paid for by PG County; the redskins just have a 30 year lease on the stadium.[/quote]

Definitely not unique to DS.

If memory serves JKC built Fed Ex with his own money which is why he called it JKC Stadium and why DS changed the name as fast as he could. JKC did have PGC and the State of MD pay for road improvements and upgrades near the stadium but not the stadium itself.

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[quote=irish;1073546]Definitely not unique to DS.

If memory serves JKC built Fed Ex with his own money which is why he called it JKC Stadium and why DS changed the name as fast as he could. JKC did have PGC and the State of MD pay for road improvements and upgrades near the stadium but not the stadium itself.[/quote]

Hmmm.... that sounds more like what I remember hearing now that I think of it.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/redskins-wr-desean-jackson-hamstring-remains-sidelined]Redskins WR DeSean Jackson (hamstring) remains sidelined | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

I hope this doesn't turn into a serious problem. I don't know much about hamstring injuries, but Miles Austin was pretty much decimated by them. Don't recall hearing about Jackson having issues with the Eagles though, so it's probably nothing.

Espn goin to skins camp in a few minutes if you are in front of a tv

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[quote=irish;1073546]Definitely not unique to DS.

If memory serves JKC built Fed Ex with his own money which is why he called it JKC Stadium and why DS changed the name as fast as he could. JKC did have PGC and the State of MD pay for road improvements and upgrades near the stadium but not the stadium itself.[/quote]

JKC (the Skins) also built the rec center just outside the stadium .

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[quote=SmootSmack;1073541]Trick question. The answer is RG3...because the best defense is a good offense[/quote]


You sir are always on your game.

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[quote=irish;1073546]Definitely not unique to DS.

If memory serves JKC built Fed Ex with his own money which is why he called it JKC Stadium and why DS changed the name as fast as he could. JKC did have PGC and the State of MD pay for road improvements and upgrades near the stadium but not the stadium itself.[/quote]

Kind of off topic, but I wonder why Cooke was in such a rush to build a new stadium if he knew he wasn't going to keep the team in his family. Perhaps he knew it would sell for more, getting more for his foundation.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000356009/article/colin-kaepernick-49ers-reach-sixyear-deal-extension]Colin Kaepernick, 49ers reach six-year deal extension - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1073555][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000356009/article/colin-kaepernick-49ers-reach-sixyear-deal-extension]Colin Kaepernick, 49ers reach six-year deal extension - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

That's a lot of money but SF had to pay him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1073555][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000356009/article/colin-kaepernick-49ers-reach-sixyear-deal-extension]Colin Kaepernick, 49ers reach six-year deal extension - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Don't think he is worth it. Needs to play better

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[quote=Chico23231;1073557]Don't think he is worth it. Needs to play better[/quote]

Agree 100%.

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#37 thanks us for his time here, reminds me of rock cartwright. real redskins.

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Kaep got elite money for being a game manager with legs who plays on a stacked team.

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Imagine what RGIII will command?

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[quote=Mattyk;1073563]Imagine what RGIII will command?[/quote]

Exactly and Andrew Luck, both on the same year.

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[quote=Mattyk;1073563]Imagine what RGIII will command?[/quote]

Yeah first 200 Million dollar player.

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[quote=Mattyk;1073563]Imagine what RGIII will command?[/quote]

Man has a lot of money riding on his performance this year.

[QUOTE=los panda;1073560]#37 thanks us for his time here, reminds me of rock cartwright. real redskins.[/QUOTE]


Good dude, played hard, but he needed to go.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1073561]Kaep got elite money for being a game manager with legs who plays on a stacked team.[/QUOTE]


He is still young, and has all the tools. I think five years from now it will be looked at as a very good investment.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1073555][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000356009/article/colin-kaepernick-49ers-reach-sixyear-deal-extension]Colin Kaepernick, 49ers reach six-year deal extension - NFL.com[/url][/quote]


Really really sad when mediocre QBs continue to get this kind of money. Flaaco, Cutler, and now Kaep.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1073573]Really really sad when mediocre QBs continue to get this kind of money. Flaaco, Cutler, and now Kaep.[/QUOTE]


Kaep is too young, and has done too much to be called mediocre. Too early to classify him, and he has done enough to justify the niners making the investment imo.

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[quote=punch it in;1073579]Kaep is too young, and has done too much to be called mediocre. Too early to classify him, and he has done enough to justify the niners making the investment imo.[/quote]

I didn't say he couldn't be the real deal, but you don't pump 60+ mil of guaranteed money into a guy that hasn't proved it. Hey, might as well go back to giving rookies that type of contract.


I would not have signed him to that contract, nor would I have signed Flaaco or Cutlers to theirs. Let some other team make that mistake.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1073567]Yeah first 200 Million dollar player.[/quote]


Not with his knees ,not unless he wins a super bowl or two .

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[quote=skinsfan69;1073554]Kind of off topic, but I wonder why Cooke was in such a rush to build a new stadium if he knew he wasn't going to keep the team in his family. Perhaps he knew it would sell for more, getting more for his foundation.[/quote]

He tried for over a decade to get a new stadium built, I wouldn't say he rushed

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[quote=Mattyk;1073563]Imagine what RGIII will command?[/quote]

If he can approach what KK has already done then he might do ok.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073573]Really really sad when mediocre QBs continue to get this kind of money. Flaaco, Cutler, and now Kaep.[/quote]

Crazy how there is a new thought process where even if your QB just shows potential, you have to pay him 60 mil guaranteed.

Also interesting that the last 2 super bowl winners didn't really pay their QB's that much and somehow still won it all.

Teams are too afraid now of losing a QB, even though its been obvious that you don't need a great one to win a super bowl, just one that is "clutch".

[QUOTE=donofriose;1073604]Crazy how there is a new thought process where even if your QB just shows potential, you have to pay him 60 mil guaranteed.



Also interesting that the last 2 super bowl winners didn't really pay their QB's that much and somehow still won it all.



Teams are too afraid now of losing a QB, even though its been obvious that you don't need a great one to win a super bowl, just one that is "clutch".[/QUOTE]


I thought Flacco got paid alot? I also think Wilson will. Kaep has been fairly clutch in the 29 games he has started no? Two nfc championships, a valiant effort in the superbowl, and three road playoff victories. He has thrown many more td's than int's. He runs for a ton of yards, and has a damn good qbr.

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[quote=punch it in;1073606]I thought Flacco got paid alot? I also think Wilson will. Kaep has been fairly clutch in the 29 games he has started no? Two nfc championships, a valiant effort in the superbowl, and three road playoff victories. He has thrown many more td's than int's. He runs for a ton of yards, and has a damn good qbr.[/quote]

He got paid after his super bowl.

I'm just saying in order to win a super bowl you do not need a QB that takes up almost 20 million of your cap space.

Kaep is a good QB, but his contract probably means they won't be able to keep a lot of pieces that helped him be successful in place.

I just think teams are panicking and think they have to pay QB's a lot more than what they are worth otherwise they suck. San Fran made it to the NFC championship game without Kaep one year. They have a great team, Kaep is a good player but he still is just a piece on one of the most talented teams in football. He isn't a 126 million dollar piece.

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[quote=punch it in;1073579]Kaep is too young, and has done too much to be called mediocre. Too early to classify him, and he has done enough to justify the niners making the investment imo.[/quote]

Yeah I agree 100%. He's earned the contract.

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[quote=Mattyk;1073563]Imagine what RGIII will command?[/quote]

It's a big year for him but hasn't quite yet earned that type of money.

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Well, once you have a franchise QB, or at least something close to one, you really can't just let them walk. Kaepernick did get overpaid, but what was SF supposed to do? Let him walk and start searching for a franchise QB again? It would likely take years to find another, years in which the team ages and loses a lot of talent. It's obvious that SF has been successful with Kaepernick at QB, and whether those wins come because of him or in spite of him, it's working. Plus, he' s only going to get better.

Like others have mentioned, if Kaep gets this much, what's RG3 going to ask for? I hate to think about that...

[QUOTE=irish;1073603]If he can approach what KK has already done then he might do ok.[/QUOTE]


Right... we can only hope

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[quote=skinsfan69;1073609]It's a big year for him but hasn't quite yet earned that type of money.[/quote]

It doesn't matter. Cutler and Kaep both haven't earned their contracts, but still got huge ones. RGIII can be mediocre and will still get that kind of coin.

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[quote=irish;1073603]If he can approach what KK has already done then he might do ok.[/quote]

Are you talking about Colin Kaep or CK? Colin better worry about what happens after Harbaugh leaves this season for the Michigan job.

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[quote=SirLK26;1073610]Well, once you have a franchise QB, or at least something close to one, you really can't just let them walk. Kaepernick did get overpaid, but what was SF supposed to do? Let him walk and start searching for a franchise QB again? It would likely take years to find another, years in which the team ages and loses a lot of talent. It's obvious that SF has been successful with Kaepernick at QB, and whether those wins come because of him or in spite of him, it's working. Plus, he' s only going to get better.

Like others have mentioned, if Kaep gets this much, what's RG3 going to ask for? I hate to think about that...[/quote]

People use the word "franchise QB" too loosely. He's not a franchise QB at this point and time. Period. The 49ers were just as good with Alex Smith behind the helm which shows you it wasn't the QB responsible for their winning.

The only franchise QBs in this league currently are: Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Roethlisberger........and maybe Stafford.

Others have the potential to be but simply aren't there quite yet.

[QUOTE=donofriose;1073607]He got paid after his super bowl.



I'm just saying in order to win a super bowl you do not need a QB that takes up almost 20 million of your cap space.



Kaep is a good QB, but his contract probably means they won't be able to keep a lot of pieces that helped him be successful in place.



I just think teams are panicking and think they have to pay QB's a lot more than what they are worth otherwise they suck. San Fran made it to the NFC championship game without Kaep one year. They have a great team, Kaep is a good player but he still is just a piece on one of the most talented teams in football. He isn't a 126 million dollar piece.[/QUOTE]


Well, that superbowl came down to the wire. So I am not sure you can make the argument Flacco deserves the money and Kaep doesnt.

As for the idea that you dont need a big time qb to win a superbowl - recent history says you do. I agree to an extent that it is a team sport - you need weapons around your qb, and a defense on the other side, but the qbis a critical critical position and if you believe in Kaep,than you lock him up for the duration. I have seen enough out of him that I think he is worth it. Of course only time will tell.
If you want to make the argument that teams should spread their money around and not tie it all up in qb's that is fair, but its also just the way of the world.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073615]People use the word "franchise QB" too loosely. He's not a franchise QB at this point and time. Period. The 49ers were just as good with Alex Smith behind the helm which shows you it wasn't the QB responsible for their winning.

The only franchise QBs in this league currently are: Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Roethlisberger........and maybe Stafford.

Others have the potential to be but simply aren't there quite yet.[/quote]

I know the QB position is important, but the public in general is a bit tend to overhype certain QBs. Russell Wilson and Kaep are a good example. Both are very good QBs, tons of potential, but both QBs for the most part were not asked to outright win games by themselves the way P. Manning, Brady, and Brees do. Hell, even Flacco carried his team during the playoffs the year they won the SB, even though he didn't play that great during the season.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073615]People use the word "franchise QB" too loosely. He's not a franchise QB at this point and time. Period. The 49ers were just as good with Alex Smith behind the helm which shows you it wasn't the QB responsible for their winning.

The only franchise QBs in this league currently are: Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Roethlisberger........and maybe Stafford.

Others have the potential to be but simply aren't there quite yet.[/quote]

You're right, but Kaepernick's close enough and young enough to get paid like a franchiser. Like I said before, he was overpaid, but at the same time, he had all the leverage and SF couldn't really take the chance on letting him walk.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073613]It doesn't matter. Cutler and Kaep both haven't earned their contracts, but still got huge ones. RGIII can be mediocre and will still get that kind of coin.[/quote]

I think it does matter. Kap has been the QB on a team that's made deep playoff runs the last three years. On top of that he's had some HUGE games during those playoff runs. He's still developing, he's had some bad games, but his ceiling is simply too high not to pay him. SF had no choice.

As far as Cultler is concerned, he's still had enough of a resume to get that type of money. Plus Chicago has a huge investment in him.

If Griffin has a strong year in 14, you have to pay him a similar deal that Kap got. If he plays like he did in 13, you don't extend him and let him play out his deal in 15.