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[quote=DynamiteRave;1081317]I still feel like its twofold; the o-line sucks which makes RG3 suck. Not just because he's running around in the pocket, but because he naturally has terrible decision making when he's under pressure.

It kills me that the guy still doesn't seem to know when the right moment to throw the ball away is. But hey, at least he learned how to slide.[/quote]

He didn't suck today. To me he just looks like the same guy as last year.

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[quote=Hijinx;1081324]RG3 only hit the 5 yard pass anything further than 5 yards down field was a incomplete pass. Twenty nine completions for 267 yards is 9.2 yard per and a lot of that was after the catch.

And don't blame that on the play calling. He constantly was looking for the check down. During the first 2 series of SF-Dal, Kaepernick under just as much pressure and he moved in the pocket and still hit people down the field. [B]Like a professional QB should. [/B] And he didn't cost three 1st round picks.[/quote]

So, with 2 minutes left in the half, SF sat on the ball and did not take a shot down field?

Sorry for being rude, but you are wrong.

Second, you say he did not complete one pass for over 5 yards?? Again, you are wrong. Thank you for playing. Next time, try watching the game.

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I'll take 9.2 per catch.

They were short passes because that's what Houston was giving us. One big positive is Gruden made good halftime adjustments and that's why we saw a more productive offense in that half.

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Starting 0-1 is not that big of a deal.

Patriots, Saints, and Green Bay are all 0-1, but we pretty much know those teams will be in the hunt for the Super Bowl.

Going 0-2 is when you should be really concerned if you have playoff aspirations, seeing as how every 0-2 team since the Giants won the super bowl have missed the playoffs.

I have confidence this team will show improvement and be respectable, which is all you can ask for. 1st year coaches typically don't compete for super bowls, unless you inherit an insanely talented team. Carroll, Belichick, even Bill Walsh struggled at first. Let us just see what these guys can do and be patient.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1081326]He didn't suck today. To me he just looks like the same guy as last year.[/quote]


He didn't suck, that much is for sure. He's not the biggest issue of why we lost. Turnovers and special teams play accounts for most of that.


I'm kind of facepalming the people on twitter right now for calling for Jay to get KC in the lineup.

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[quote=Chico23231;1081325]Rak was a ghost today, but He went up against one of the most underrated players in the game left tackle Duane brown. Brown is a beast[/quote]

I think that is the reason him and Kerrigan aren't on that next level of pass rushers in the NFL. When they go against the good tackles in the NFL they tend to disappear.

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The offense scored 6 points. That's flat out atrocious. I put it on everyone. Paul, Griffin, the line, the coaches, they all had their hand in that shit show.

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[quote=donofriose;1081332]I think that is the reason him and Kerrigan aren't on that next level of pass rushers in the NFL. When they go against the good tackles in the NFL they tend to disappear.[/quote]


...but...but...Haslett said he was going to unleash them!!!!

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1081327]So, with 2 minutes left in the half, SF sat on the ball and did not take a shot down field?

Sorry for being rude, but you wrong.

Second, you say he did not complete one pass for over 5 yards?? Again, you are wrong. Thank you for playing. Next time, try watching the game.[/quote]

No I am not wrong,[I]not to be rude,[/I] you have poor reading comprehension. What I said is that the FACT that RG3 hit nothing down the field was not due to play calling it was due to him always going to the check down.

I am sorry you didn't pay any attention to game, but the only long completion were when the WR made yardage after the catch. Nothing he threw down the field had any accuracy.

Sorry you think you know what you are talking about.

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[quote=donofriose;1081332]I think that is the reason him and Kerrigan aren't on that next level of pass rushers in the NFL. When they go against the good tackles in the NFL they tend to disappear.[/quote]

I'm curious how Watt would have looked if he had to go against T. Williams. As I said before, not to take anything from Watt, but he went against two of the worst offensive linemen in the league (Polumbus/Chester)

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[quote=Paintrain;1081320]I know. I know the whole 'ifs and buts' thing but 2 turnovers inside the 10 yard line, a blown coverage and a blocked punt for a TD are the story of this loss, not RG3 holding the ball too long. People latch to a narrative and refuse to let it go in the face of reality.

If the 2nd half RG3 is who shows up every Sunday, I think there will be more smiles than whining around here. We also don't play JJ freaking Watt every week. Dude is only the best defensive player in the league so if he dominates Tyler Polumbus then you just take that for what it is.

It's 0-1, not 0-16. Live to play another week.[/quote]

Very true, the frustration is same problems from last year showing up first game. We brought players and coaches to change that, we still see the same shit. I completely understand everyone frustrations.

If I could tell gruden one thing after that game, it would be run the damn ball

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People wasting breath complaining about the defense today. We blew 1 coverage, guess what so did every other team today. Rak didn't get a sack, a bunch of other pass rushers didn't either.

6 points against Houston, what 2-14 last year, is a major fucking problem. Their d ain't that great

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[quote=tshile;1081329]I'll take 9.2 per catch.

They were short passes because that's what Houston was giving us. One big positive is Gruden made good halftime adjustments and that's why we saw a more productive offense in that half.[/quote]

That 9.2 per doesn't count, incompletions, sacks, or other broken pass plays. It is not that good.

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Game was ugly, but other than the turnovers and the o line, the team didn't play all that poorly. It is very hard to overcome a negative 2-3 in turnover ration in any game, with a blocked punt for a TD to boot. If say by weeks 3-4 wee haven't scored at least 21 in a game then we might have to worry a bit. This is RG III's make or break year in my opinion. He is either going to prove he was worth it or he is going to go the way of Shuler by sometime in 2015. We gave up a lot for him. To be honest we really needed some first round pics to get a solid line going. I sure hope we use our #1 for any position on the o line. Having a bunch of retreads isn't going to help your QB much.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1081305]Today he did stupid shit that didn't show up in the stats. Like taking a stupid useless sack when there was a possible FG. The fumble was also on him and he lead Roberts out when he was wide open. His performance was about as average as average gets.[/QUOTE]


Couldnt agree more. Cannot believe people are pointing to his comp %. Who gives a crap if he hit on every 5 yard screen pass. If you cant complete those you should not be in the league let alone starting. His issues today are so beyond accuracy. It is timing and rhythm of which he had none. Of course our atrocious oline and putrid play-calling did not help. Nor did the turnovers, but if all that was fixed I am still worried that he doesnt get it. If and when we get him protection, I am afraid his incompetence with pocket presence and timing will just stick out more. Who knows maybe lightbulbs will go on before next Sunday. Maybe Gruden will look at the tape and go "holy crap that Morris kid can run lets just feed him the ball and throw in some play action?"

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[quote=Hijinx;1081335]No I am not wrong,[I]not to be rude,[/I] you have poor reading comprehension. What I said is that the FACT that RG3 hit nothing down the field was not due to play calling it was due to him always going to the check down.

I am sorry you didn't pay any attention to game, but the only long completion were when the WR made yardage after the catch. Nothing he threw down the field had any accuracy.

Sorry you think you know what you are talking about.[/quote]


What game did you see? The sideline pass to Paul, the pass to Paul that he fumbled, the crossing route to Garcon. Were all passes down field. Unless your not counting TE passing in your critique.

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[quote=Chico23231;1081338]People wasting breath complaining about the defense today. We blew 1 coverage, guess what so did every other team today. Rak didn't get a sack, a bunch of other pass rushers didn't either.

6 points against Houston, what 2-14 last year, is a major fucking problem. Their d ain't that great[/quote]

I've got very minor complaints about the D.

Always odd to see the things people get hung up on.

Blocked PAT and punt, and 2 fumbles inside the 10. That was the ball game. Oh and Roberts was in bounds.

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[QUOTE=whistler;1081343]What game did you see? The sideline pass to Paul, the pass to Paul that he fumbled, the crossing route to Garcon. Were all passes down field. Unless your not counting TE passing in your critique.[/QUOTE]


The sideline pass to Paul was thrown waaay late.

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[quote=Chico23231;1081338]People wasting breath complaining about the defense today. We blew 1 coverage, guess what so did every other team today. Rak didn't get a sack, a bunch of other pass rushers didn't either.

6 points against Houston, what 2-14 last year, is a major fucking problem. Their d ain't that great[/quote]

did Rak have a tackle, or a pulse ?

a bunch of other pass rushers got closer to the QB than Brian did, and they didn't get paid $700,000. to disappear

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[quote=Mattyk;1081344]I've got very minor complaints about the D.

Always odd to see the things people get hung up on.

Blocked PAT and punt, and 2 fumbles inside the 10. That was the ball game. Oh and Roberts was in bounds.[/quote]

Nothing burns me up more is special teams eff up. Yes a couple times a year u should make a big mistake, twice in a game? That's unacceptable

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1081346]did Rak have a tackle, or a pulse ?



a bunch of other pass rushers got closer to the QB than Brian did, and they didn't get paid $700,000. to disappear[/QUOTE]


Rak was invisible. However like Chico and Matty have said - our D was NOT the issue. Who cares who or how we stop them as long as we stop them. Robinson had a great game. Major upgrade from an old Fletch. Rambo had one horrible play on the long td, but our O - everything about it except the run - was the issue.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1081346]did Rak have a tackle, or a pulse ?

a bunch of other pass rushers got closer to the QB than Brian did, and they didn't get paid $700,000. to disappear[/quote]

Rak made several tackles. Houston's Oline is very decent. Kerrigan and hatcher had nice days. Coefield and Jenkins were good at times.

10 points allowd on the road is a good fucking day for defense

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Really like K. Robinson. Guy has some wheels.

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I cannot believe i am happy with the D - major league happy, and the O has got my hopes dashed. Wtf? Complete and opposite thoughts that I had in July

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[quote=Mattyk;1081351]Really like K. Robinson. Guy has some wheels.[/quote]

Hopefully we've found our two ILBs for years to come.

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[quote=whistler;1081343]What game did you see? The sideline pass to Paul, the pass to Paul that he fumbled, the crossing route to Garcon. Were all passes down field. Unless your not counting TE passing in your critique.[/quote]


The pass to Paul on the sideline was to the wrong shoulder. Considering that the nearest defender was at least 10 yards away, you think that one could be completed.

The pass to Paul, where he fumbled was not a long pass. It was a long run. The pass was about 10 yards weakly thrown, that Paul ran under. It was a looping, rainbow type to get over the 2 defenders. It was accurate, but in no way impressive or a deep pass.

The Garcon one I honestly can't remember, It might have happened when I got pulled out of the room in the late 4th quarter. [B]EDIT:[/B] But Garcons longest catch was 15 yards, it couldn't be that deep.

I do remember the late 2nd quarter pass RG3 threw that was a deep one, that looked like a hail mary. It came right after and -3 yard pass when he hit the check down to what looked like a WR screen that had no screen. I can't recall the WR, but I think it was Jackson and he was deep 1v1 and had to slow down to try to catch the underthrown pass and it went incomplete.

Nothing I saw today he did was all that good.

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I agree the defense wasn't the problem, special teams cost them 8 points ..... fumbles cost them ??? points. A slow thinking QB, and a bad O-line cost them points too. RGIII holds the ball forever, he rarely makes quick down field throws.

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[quote=Hijinx;1081335]No I am not wrong,[I]not to be rude,[/I] you have poor reading comprehension. What I said is that the FACT that RG3 hit nothing down the field was not due to play calling it was due to him always going to the check down.

I am sorry you didn't pay any attention to game, but the only long completion were when the WR made yardage after the catch. Nothing he threw down the field had any accuracy.

Sorry you think you know what you are talking about.[/quote]

As other people have pointed out, you are wrong in your statement. Next time you post something, try being accurate.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1081358]I agree the defense wasn't the problem, special teams cost them 8 points ..... fumbles cost them ??? points. A slow thinking QB, and a bad O-line cost them points too. RGIII holds the ball forever, he rarely makes quick down field throws.[/QUOTE]


That is irrefutable! [emoji41]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1081358]I agree the defense wasn't the problem, special teams cost them 8 points ..... fumbles cost them ??? points. A slow thinking QB, and a bad O-line cost them points too. RGIII holds the ball forever, he rarely makes quick down field throws.[/quote]

He needs to get the ball out a lot faster, that's the learn curve. It's mental like someone said today. Needs to read better before the snap, anticipate where we wants to go, and trust his eyes.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1081362]As other people have pointed out, you are wrong in your statement. Next time you post something, try being accurate.[/quote]

[B]Well you are so damn smart,[/B] tell me the number of and which passes were deeply and accurately thrown. Don't worry I will wait.

Let's see this list.

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[quote=Chico23231;1081338]People wasting breath complaining about the defense today. We blew 1 coverage, guess what so did every other team today. Rak didn't get a sack, a bunch of other pass rushers didn't either.

6 points against Houston, what 2-14 last year, is a major fucking problem. Their d ain't that great[/quote]


Just because something is pointed out, it doesn't make it "complaining". It's a valid question about Orakpo not even registering a single QB hit. That doesn't mean we blame the defense or think that's the sole reason for a loss. However, when you have a DC in the off-season talk about how he's going to unleash Orakpo and he doesn't even register a single QB hit, it's something to note.

I think the point of discussing the game is to talk about all elements, whether they be good or bad.

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[quote=punch it in;1081345]The sideline pass to Paul was thrown waaay late.[/quote]

That was a great catch by Roberts that the refs blew.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1081366]Just because something is pointed out, it doesn't make it "complaining". It's a valid question about Orakpo not even registering a single QB hit. That doesn't mean we blame the defense or think that's the sole reason for a loss. However, when you have a DC in the off-season talk about how he's going to unleash Orakpo and he doesn't even register a single QB hit, it's something to note.

I think the point of discussing the game is to talk about all elements, whether they be good or bad.[/quote]

I agree 100%. But I think Rak had a tough assignment today against Duane brown, I didn't expect much.

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[quote=Chico23231;1081368]I agree 100%. But I think Rak had a tough assignment today against Duane brown, I didn't expect much.[/quote]

Plus it's one game.

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Nothing like a 9 game losing streak!!!! We're going streaking follow me to the quad!!!!!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1081355]Hopefully we've found our two ILBs for years to come.[/quote]

I worry though that Robinson's durability is on par with the likes of Sam Bradford.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1081367]That was a great catch by Roberts that the refs blew.[/QUOTE]


Roberts not Paul. Correct. It was a great catch, but as i said during the game...it never should have come to a review. Should have hit him way before that.

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Let's give RGIII the benefit of the doubt, he barely played enough during the pre-season to jell with his new WR's. He is learning a new system and how to play in the pocket, he didn't play in a pro style offense in college like Luck. Last year he was rushed from major injury. just saying, let's give him a chance and a few games before turning against him.

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[quote=punch it in;1081373]Roberts not Paul. Correct. It was a great catch, but as i said during the game...it never should have come to a review. Should have hit him way before that.[/quote]

Or to the left shoulder, it is not like he was covered. The nearest defender was at least 7-8 yards away.