Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Hog1;1118408]WTF???? More reports that Darth Snyder DID NOT block the Rg3 moves?
Nooooooooo...............

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/08/31/daniel-snyder-isnt-blocking-a-trade-but-robert-griffin-iiis-value-has-greatly-diminished/[/url]

Two people with knowledge of the team’s planning each said Snyder is not blocking his front office and coaching staff from trading Griffin. One called an ESPN report that suggested that, “100 percent wrong.”[/quote]

Sounds like Snyder has seen the light and is now putting out spin control. Something like "He didn't block it, just wanted to make sure all aspects were considered blah blah blah".

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Not gonna lie I'm glad it's over and yes I was a huge fan of his but the drama and all that needs to go. I'd trade him for a 4 or 5 and say good luck.

PS also glad our QB won't be wearing some dumb sleeve and glove on just one arm either that got annoying.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Whatever happens I trust that it will make the team better, will have full fan support, and will be done without a lot of drama in the press. And at the end of the year there will be no turnover of FO or coaching staff. Also unicorns.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1118423]Not gonna lie I'm glad it's over and yes I was a huge fan of his but the drama and all that needs to go. I'd trade him for a 4 or 5 and say good luck.

PS also glad our QB won't be wearing some dumb sleeve and glove on just one arm either that got annoying.[/quote]

1) I doubt he'd garner a 4th or 5th rounder

2) You can't trade him due to that 16million option they picked up earlier this year.


I think our only resort will be to cut him.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Just watched First Take on ESPN...

Everyone on the show, except Skip Bayless, agreed that both the Redskins and RG3 need to move on.

Both Shannon Sharp and Jeff Saturday commented on the reasons that RG3 needs to "retool" his game, and needs to find a situation that fits him.

Skip Bayless instead, completely blamed the Redskins organization and Jay Gruden.

Skip Bayless is a complete idiot.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Typical Skip

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Trevor Matich on ESPN saying hallelujah about RGIII being removed as starter. He also talked about how RGIII mouth also contributed to his demise in DC and in the locker room. That his comments and throwing his teamates under the bus was cringe worthy. Yes it was.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

$6million cap hit if cut in 2015? Is that true. If so, he will not be cut and he will inactive all year. Cut next year

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Defensewins;1118433]$6million cap hit if cut in 2015? Is that true. If so, he will not be cut and he will inactive all year. Cut next year[/quote]

If the Skins have $8.5-9 million of Cap space this year why not use it now?

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

They can afford the cap hit if they choose.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Hijinx;1118434]If the Skins have $8.5-9 million of Cap space this year why not use it now?[/quote]

wouldn't it still be a 6mm cap hit if he is on the team? Best to rip the bandaid off and get rid of the circus and confirm to Kirk that he is the man for the year.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/cost-moving-rg3]The cost of moving on from RG3 | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1118423]Not gonna lie I'm glad it's over and yes I was a huge fan of his but the drama and all that needs to go. I'd trade him for a 4 or 5 and say good luck.

PS also glad our QB won't be wearing some dumb sleeve and glove on just one arm either that got annoying.[/quote]

Right there with ya. I remember I was at my friend's house (he was a huge Saints fan) for the first game of his rookie year when he lit up the Saints and we won. I was so ecstatic, from that moment on I truly thought we were gonna be set for years to come. Now I can't wait until he's gone so we can get on with rebuilding the roster.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1118367]I think I'm going to take a break from the Warpath for a while, this is too much[/QUOTE]


There has to be more to this decision. Is Matty forcing you to do this so that Rave can post more????

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=kct1975;1118429][B][U]Just watched First Take on ESPN..[/U][/B].

[/quote]



There is your problem right there. People still watch those idiots?

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

In Scot I trust, but . . .

I mean, if all the rumors are true, if he is a locker room cancer or bad for morale or whatever, if he won't ever be able to develop into a pocket passer, if he refuses to put in the mental work required, if his head has been ruined by the injuries and he's lost his self confidence as QB, then yeah I guess it's time to move on.

And yet, After all we put in to drafting him, to give up on him after 3 years, one of which he brought us to the playoffs, it just doesn't sit right with me. I mean, we gave Jason Campbell more time than that, and sure, he was a robot and didn't give the media much to play with, but I wouldn't characterize him as an inspirational leader either, right?

Campbell Stats
2009 Redskins 64.5 3,618 20 15 86.4
2008 Redskins 62.3 3,245 13 6 84.3
2007 Redskins 60.0 2,700 12 11 77.6
2006 Redskins 53.1 1,297 10 6 76.5

RG3 Stats
2014 Redskins 68.7 1,694 4 6 86.9
2013 Redskins 60.1 3,203 16 12 82.2
2012 Redskins 65.6 3,200 20 5 102.4

If Scot was not here I would be squarely against this move. But I will put my faith behind him over RG3 for sure

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

The cap hit on RG3 is the least understood thing out there. Here's a simple breakdown:

- If he stays on the roster, his cap hit this year is $6.7M
- If he's cut, his cap hit this year is $6.7M, no savings, no extra burden
- If he's traded, his cap hit this year is $3.3M, a savings of $3.4M

The cap is a non-issue in this decision.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

The reason a trade reduces the cap hit is that the team acquiring him would be responsible for picking up the $3.4M guaranteed salary. If nobody takes on that contract via a trade, the Redskins are on the hook for it. So that's why they want to deal him. Also, it would save Snyder $3.3M in actual $, so obviously he has a vested interest in seeing a trade happen.

But the cap is of no consequence here.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Kirk just named starter for 2015. Period.

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskins-talk/Watch-Live-Gruden-speaks-from-Redskins-Park]Watch Live: Gruden speaks from Redskins Park | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]



[url]https://twitter.com/recordsANDradio/status/638391237402316800[/url]

It's Kirk's team.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

I have one question that still baffles me. If all these things were issues, why pick up that option?

I mean it almost seems like Snyder said "we will pick up that option. Case closed"
just foolish to pick up that option with all the lack of performance on field and perceived locker room issues.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1118446]Kirk just named starter for 2015. Period.

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskins-talk/Watch-Live-Gruden-speaks-from-Redskins-Park]Watch Live: Gruden speaks from Redskins Park | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

Yup. Time to move on. Kirk is the man, lets support Cousins as the starting QB for the 2015 Skins.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=kct1975;1118429]Just watched First Take on ESPN...

Everyone on the show, except Skip Bayless, agreed that both the Redskins and RG3 need to move on.

Both Shannon Sharp and Jeff Saturday commented on the reasons that RG3 needs to "retool" his game, and needs to find a situation that fits him.

Skip Bayless instead, completely blamed the Redskins organization and Jay Gruden.

Skip Bayless is a complete idiot.[/QUOTE]


I swear that they keep him on tv just because his ignorance makes people tune in.

Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1118448]Yup. Time to move on. Kirk is the man, lets support Cousins as the starting QB for the 2015 Skins.[/QUOTE]


If he could just learn to throw the ball away or take a sack instead of throwing it when nobody is open he could be a solid qb in this league.
Edit: i think he gets it, but he just needs to learn to live to fight another day. Im suddenly more excited for the season. DJax needs to be 100%, and we just might have a punchers chance this year.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=WillH;1118443]In Scot I trust, but . . .

I mean, if all the rumors are true, if he is a locker room cancer or bad for morale or whatever, if he won't ever be able to develop into a pocket passer, if he refuses to put in the mental work required, if his head has been ruined by the injuries and he's lost his self confidence as QB, then yeah I guess it's time to move on.

And yet, After all we put in to drafting him, to give up on him after 3 years, one of which he brought us to the playoffs, it just doesn't sit right with me. I mean, we gave Jason Campbell more time than that, and sure, he was a robot and didn't give the media much to play with, but I wouldn't characterize him as an inspirational leader either, right?

Campbell Stats
2009 Redskins 64.5 3,618 20 15 86.4
2008 Redskins 62.3 3,245 13 6 84.3
2007 Redskins 60.0 2,700 12 11 77.6
2006 Redskins 53.1 1,297 10 6 76.5

RG3 Stats
2014 Redskins 68.7 1,694 4 6 86.9
2013 Redskins 60.1 3,203 16 12 82.2
2012 Redskins 65.6 3,200 20 5 102.4

If Scot was not here I would be squarely against this move. But I will put my faith behind him over RG3 for sure[/quote]

2 big differences are the injuries, and the locker room distraction. If Griffin came everyday, didn't create media storms with his mantras, and stayed healthy, we probably would not be at this point.

Of course maybe it's for the better that this didn't go another year.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=kingj;1118447]I have one question that still baffles me. If all these things were issues, why pick up that option?

I mean it almost seems like Snyder said "we will pick up that option. Case closed"
just foolish to pick up that option with all the lack of performance on field and perceived locker room issues.[/quote]

It might have come from Snyder.

Or I could see McLoughan and Gruden's logic being we need to give RG3 complete positive support, affirm him with a $16M option (even though it has no teeth and doesn't commit us), and pump him up as our starter because we flat out have no better option. They may have done this under the belief that Robert would benefit from a year in the offseason program.

If I were McLoughan and I were brand new I can definitely see me doing this.

But here in the preseason it's been same old crap from Robert, including disruptive handling of the media (I just work here). The option was probably viewed as a tool to send a positive message to him, but now that it's clear that he is not improving despite an offseason in the program and despite positivity, it's time to cut bait. And now the option hurts.

Whatever, just cut him. Nobody was ever going to give more than a 7th rounder anyway.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

ROFL....


[url]https://twitter.com/No_Cut_Card/status/638391509444886528[/url]




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