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[QUOTE=30gut;1122215]But what if he does have a source? Someone in the organization is [B][I][U]still[/U][/I][/B] leaking information to the press that paints Griffin in a negative light.



If that is occurring at this juncture it sure seems personal.[/QUOTE]


If it is happening then scot must trade Griffin ASAP

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[quote=30gut;1122102]RE: Jason Cole's: RGIII-Cousins rift story

I have a problem with this story like with many of the stories surrounding the Redskins. It supposedly has sources "inside the organization".

Regardless or veracity of the source's story; IF Jason Cole really does have a source that's a problem that has been persistent through the current and previous regime.

If he doesn't have a source he should be held accountable.[/quote]

You still havent figured out Bleacher Report, huh?

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[quote=RedskinJake;1121950]Just out of curiosity, I compared Cousins and Peyton Manning at the same point in their careers. First 465 attempts for Cousins and 476 for Manning. The sample for Manning is slightly more throws because I can only split by game so it was either going to be slightly more or slightly less.

Cousins 284 for 465, 61% comp, 3429 yards, 20 TD and 21 Int, 3-8 W-L record.

Manning 269 for 476, 56% comp, 2969 yards, 21 TD and 25 Int, 2-11 W-L record.

You could do the same for many top QB's and get similar results. For the doubters, Cousins is doing just fine.[/quote]

That is a pretty impressive stat...... the only thing Cousins is lacking is the last name of Manning

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[quote=kingj;1122218]If it is happening then scot must trade Griffin ASAP[/quote]They must trade Griffin because someone in the organization is leaking negative nonsense about him?

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[quote=Chico23231;1122219]You still havent figured out Bleacher Report, huh?[/quote]Jason Cole is national recognized sports writer/journalist. It is exceptional rare that media flat out invents a [B][I][U]sourced[/U][/I][/B] story.
If he did there would be consequences or there would be if he was making it up.

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[quote=30gut;1122226]Jason Cole is national recognized sports writer/journalist. It is exceptional rare that media flat out invents a [B][I][U]sourced[/U][/I][/B] story.
If he did there would be consequences or there would be if he was making it up.[/quote]

Oh I know Cole, he's been wildly off base before. WILDLY.

THIS STORY IS BULLSHIT.

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He also accused the "washington media" of trying to "squelch" the story. So instead of being more specific, he accused everyone.

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[quote=Chico23231;1122229]Oh I know Cole, he's been wildly off base before. WILDLY.

THIS STORY IS BULLSHIT.[/quote]The story of the Griffin-Cousins drama may very well be BS; whether true or not Jason Cole is saying that he was TOLD this story by someone within the organization.

That is what is troubling to me.

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[quote=30gut;1122236]The story of the Griffin-Cousins drama may very well be BS; whether true or not Jason Cole is saying that he was TOLD this story by someone within the organization.

That is what is troubling to me.[/quote]

If your hypothesis is right then we need to start clearing out bad apples in the FO. Sounds like a disgruntled workplace. I'm sure RG3 hasn't been the happiest guy but I have no reason to believe that he would completely distance himself from Cousins or anyone else for that matter. The reality, and I never thought I'd be defending RG3 here, but the reality is that he's probably made a conscious effort to step back and let Kirk take the spotlight which is exactly what he should be doing. If we have people within the organization who are not on board then we need to be parting ways with them.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1122238]If your hypothesis is right then we need to start clearing out bad apples in the FO. Sounds like a disgruntled workplace. I'm sure RG3 hasn't been the happiest guy but I have no reason to believe that he would completely distance himself from Cousins or anyone else for that matter. The reality, and I never thought I'd be defending RG3 here, but the reality is that he's probably made a conscious effort to step back and let Kirk take the spotlight which is exactly what he should be doing. If we have people within the organization who are not on board then we need to be parting ways with them.[/quote]

John Keim reported yesterday that RGIII was practicing with the OL 45 after practice was over. That doesn't sound like a disgruntled player, but a team player.

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[quote=30gut;1122236]The story of the Griffin-Cousins drama may very well be BS; whether true or not Jason Cole is saying that he was TOLD this story by someone within the organization.

That is what is troubling to me.[/quote]

30, dont let this trouble you. Let Eli numbers vs the Skins at home numbers trouble you.

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[quote=30gut;1122226]Jason Cole is national recognized sports writer/journalist. It is exceptional rare that media flat out invents a [B][I][U]sourced[/U][/I][/B] story.
If he did there would be consequences or there would be if he was making it up.[/quote]

I always hear that, about integrity in journalism, but how are sources verified? How could anyone determine that it was a real source? I'm just curious how that works.


Regardless, let's assume he is being "ethical." Who is this person? What is their position in the organization? How much interaction do they really have with the players? I know that if you asked some individuals in my organization about a relationship between individuals they don't work with often, some of them would/have made wild speculations that I know are untrue. If you asked me, as an executive privy to all sorts of information within my organization, about whether or not 2 people get along, I would not be able to tell you accurately, and anything I did tell you would likely be hearsay. So, ethical or not, it's BS journalism.

And yeah, this inside source ought to be held accountable, but you can't control what every idiot does, so if you don't know who it is do you give a hard time to everyone? Nah, it won't do you any good, you just do your best to continue to project positivity and unity as best you can. That said, it wouldn't hurt if Cousins denied it, but why waste his time?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1122239]John Keim reported yesterday that RGIII was practicing with the OL 45 after practice was over. That doesn't sound like a disgruntled player, but a team player.[/quote]

Maybe he has changed his tune. What I saw on the sideline during the Ravens
pre-season game was someone who looked like they wanted to be somewhere else.

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[quote=WillH;1122243]...Regardless, let's assume he is being "ethical." Who is this person? What is their position in the organization? How much interaction do they really have with the players? I know that if you asked some individuals in my organization about a relationship between individuals they don't work with often, some of them would/have made wild speculations that I know are untrue. If you asked me, as an executive privy to all sorts of information within my organization, about whether or not 2 people get along, I would not be able to tell you accurately, and anything I did tell you would likely be hearsay. So, ethical or not, it's BS journalism.[/quote]I agree, 100%And what you descrube is pretty much the case for every off the record "sourced" article. The source could be completely talking out of their arse and the "journalist" has no vantage point to know the veracity or lack thereof of the information. That sources interpretation could be completely off base. But the journalist-source relationship isn't exactly a 2-way street. The "source" has all the power to guide the narrative. It takes a reporter that gives a damn to check that sources information against other sources. But, most likely other "sources" won't be as forthcoming because leaking inside informaiton is frowned upon in the NFL (except in Washington where its rampant).

Unless Jason Cole is flat out making this up, he has a source, it doesn't speak highly of that source to be badmouthing Griffin. But that has been par for the course here for over a year.

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Lots and lots of assumptions about how information is gathered, reported, and "sourced."

I will respond with my own assumption - that no one responding in this thread, other than SS, (1) works in sports media; (2) has specific knowledge of any statements actually made and attributable to a specific player or Redskins' employee; (3) no one has specific knowledge of how "porous" other teams are when it comes to "leaking" information.

Cole's reporting on this has yet to be substantiated by any attributable source. Further, to my knowledge, no other reporter, either locally or nationally, has indicated that their own "sources" support the claim of Cole's unidentified source. Based on my past observations, [I][B]if[/B][/I] there was any truth to the statement, one or two (at least) other reporters with different "unidentified sources" would be chiming in saying things to the effect "that's what my guy says too" or words to that effect. The fact that no such statements have been made and, in fact, most local media has shot down the statement or been implicitly supportive of RGIII's public denial speaks volumes to me about the credibility of the original report.

As to leaks, I just don't think the Skins have any more than any other team. Given the attention caused by a former rookie of the year and "face of the franchise" player falling out of favor with all sorts of side issues - conflicts with coaches real and imagined, vocal parents, and the player constantly (until recently) making controversial or unwise statements to the media, reliable individuals within the organization are likely to speak out of turn and reporters are likely to provide the information b/c it is generally of interest to the fan base.

I suspect that "leaks" have been going on for years (decades), but are just much more accessible in this era of instant information gratification.

I can only imagine the field day social media would have had with the 1990's Cowboys.

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the red flags for me...1)the headline is blantently false seeing that cousins and rg3 were on tv speaking with each other and with coaches just 48 hours before. 2)For folks who have been on the internet before, the headline is clearly a troll or clickbait in a TMZ like style. 3) Its the Bleacher Report website

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I know the response to leaks in Ashburn are different then in Chicago.

I remember when Aarom Kromer leaked information about Cutler. It wasn't pretty for him.
People were asking Trestman if Kromer was gonna be fired. Kromer actually made a tearful apology to the team which,lol, of course got leaked.

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good journalists verify accounts by getting a 2nd source and also check the credibility of their sources/how they got that information. ideally you want the 2 sources to both be attributed too, so there's transparency.

this looks like one guy using hearsay to as clickbait. the facts don't support his claims and the local journo's don't either. nothing to see here, let's move along.

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Good grief. Ignore this nonsense. Let's just focus on the impending beat-down of the G-nats.

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Seriously who cares. It's tabloid BS.

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Eagles game should close this thread I think.

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Been 11 or 12 days since anyone has posted in this thread (last post was 9/23). It was pretty much closed til you resurrected it.

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[quote=Skinzman;1124080]Been 11 or 12 days since anyone has posted in this thread (last post was 9/23). It was pretty much closed til you resurrected it.[/quote]

This game should close your avatar..

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[quote=RedskinJake;1124088]This game should close your avatar..[/quote]

Ahh... So you did join just to start arguments.

Tbh, this is the first avatar I chose after going a while without one when I joined, since I was never overly worried about avatars. I also got his jersey as a christmas present back then. Figured with it going south, I wasnt going to jinx another player. Almost chose the New Trent Williams avatar that was just put out, but then figured he would pop a knee if I did. Is that ok with you your highness?

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[quote=Skinzman;1124117]Ahh... So you did join just to start arguments.

Tbh, this is the first avatar I chose after going a while without one when I joined, since I was never overly worried about avatars. I also got his jersey as a christmas present back then. Figured with it going south, I wasnt going to jinx another player. Almost chose the New Trent Williams avatar that was just put out, but then figured he would pop a knee if I did. Is that ok with you your highness?[/quote]

I'll allow it ;)..