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[quote=jamf;1196143]Here current definition:
[url]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism[/url]

Fascism:
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and[B] that stands for a centralized autocratic government[/B] headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Synonyms: Nazism, Rightism, White-Nationalism


[/quote]

Skipping the inherent bias the pictures impart, the single bolded fact is far more definitive of the modern Democratic party then the Republican party which wants to divest power down to the states, and believes that the rights of all individuals come not from the State, but are inalienable to all humans.

It's false to link it solely to right wing radicals, as the antifada is the circular end of the extremist spectrum.

It's also false to put the mainstream of people who voted for Trump into the extremist camp, as it is to put the mainstream of people who voted for HRC.

I don't deny there are extremists on both ends that are looking for their power. I do deny that Trump is in that camp. (But I understand the feeling, I truly felt Pres Obama was going to find a way to invalidate the 22nd Amendment, and was this country's Julius Caesar)

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Just curious where your synonyms came from. The Webster's link didn't have them.
Here is the list from [url=http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/fascism]Fascism Synonyms, Fascism Antonyms | Thesaurus.com[/url]


Nazism
absolutism
authoritarianism
autocracy
bureaucracy
despotism
racism
regimentation
totalitarianism
one-party system
party government

no where does it focus on Right wing, and again, I argue the lockstep democratic party that wants all control entrusted to the federal government(except when republican party policies are implemented) is far more filled with bureaucracy and regimented politically correct thinking and doing.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196145]Just curious where your synonyms came from. The Webster's link didn't have them.
Here is the list from [url=http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/fascism]Fascism Synonyms, Fascism Antonyms | Thesaurus.com[/url]


Nazism
absolutism
authoritarianism
autocracy
bureaucracy
despotism
racism
regimentation
totalitarianism
one-party system
party government
.[/quote]

You just described the trump administration to a T

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[quote=jamf;1196143]Here current definition:
[url]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism[/url]

Fascism:
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Synonyms: Nazism, Rightism, White-Nationalism


[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uQMp3kbFpNc/maxresdefault.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZtDHMHLwIzc/maxresdefault.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

nailed it! This is the trump administration and it's minions to a T

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196146]You just described the trump administration to a T[/QUOTE]It really doesn't.

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[quote=Giantone;1196126].........like I said the cult is happy, fuck the country.[/quote]

This quote really stuck in my craw.

Here is a chart of Trump's approval rating from HuffPost:
[url]https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/trump-job-approval[/url]

My point isn't that the polls have him at a favorable rating - they don't, BUT the last combined polling showed him at around 43% and generally climbing. So in your mind 43% of the country is a cult?

And that 43% is with msm and social media constantly posting negative stories/russia russia russia crap. [URL="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/8/donald-trumps-polls-improve-despite-90-negative-co/"]Media get trumped.[/URL] If his personality were less negative he likely would have an even higher number. There is a lot of support for his policies, though liberal zombies will never admit it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196153]This quote really stuck in my craw.
.[/quote]

..........it's the truth.


.................the trump cult doesn't care about the country .

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I like this guy!!!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/dutch-prime-minister-mark-rutte-034930544.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196156]..........it's the truth.


.................the trump cult doesn't care about the country .[/QUOTE]Its demonstrably false and reduces your credibility when you proclaim it to be true.

Not only that but it reduces the possibility of reasonable discourse when you make blatantly dismissive statements like that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196159]Its demonstrably false and reduces your credibility when you proclaim it to be true.

Not only that but it reduces the possibility of reasonable discourse when you make blatantly dismissive statements like that.[/quote]




LOL, it's true .The fact you don't like it means very little .

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Interesting we aren't hearing about China's sudden problems with their economy.

Currency...Growth...Market Index.....there are some staggering numbers out there.

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[quote=Giantone;1196162]LOL, it's true .The fact you don't like it means very little .[/quote]

I support Trump, I care greatly about the future of the country.
Your claim is false.

If you want to say it's true, then put up some shred of proof. Your posts often come off as what you claim to hate, a mindless zombified cultist.

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I like this Lady. She was not rude,was not violent and was not threatening .She was right.



[url]https://www.thedailybeast.com/teacher-confronts-scott-pruitt-at-lunch-urges-him-to-resign[/url]



KRISTIN MINK / FACEBOOK
First, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was chased out of a Mexican restaurant. Then press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was refused service in an eatery, which was later attacked by Donald Trump. Now embattled Scott Pruitt, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, has been confronted by an angry teacher and mother who urged the under-fire official to resign before he's forced out. A video posted on Facebook shows Kristin Mink calling out a silent Pruitt at lunch Monday, telling him: “We deserve to have somebody at the EPA who actually does protect our environment, somebody who believes in climate change and takes it seriously for the benefit of all of us, including our children. I would urge you to resign before your scandals push you out.” Mink later told HuffPost: “He had no defense. He had no explanation. He had no apology. He had nothing to say. When you are a government official... you are supposed to be directly working for the citizens that you’re serving. He’s a public servant. When you’re in that position, you should want to hear from the people who you are supposed to be taking care of.”

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196164]I support Trump, I care greatly about the future of the country.
Your claim is false.[/quote]

No , my claim is true. You can not do both. You can not support trump and care about the future of America,not possible.

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[quote=Giantone;1196166]No , my claim is true. You can not do both. You can not support trump and care about the future of America,not possible.[/quote]

ok. I claim, with no proof, you can't be a Giants fan and care about the country. you are invalidated.

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[quote=Giantone;1196166]No , my claim is true. You can not do both. You can not support trump and care about the future of America,not possible.[/quote]

so in your world view, +/- 43% of US citizens do not care about the future of the country?

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[quote=Giantone;1196165]I like this Lady. She was not rude,was not violent and was not threatening .She was right.



[url]https://www.thedailybeast.com/teacher-confronts-scott-pruitt-at-lunch-urges-him-to-resign[/url]



KRISTIN MINK / FACEBOOK
First, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was chased out of a Mexican restaurant. Then press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was refused service in an eatery, which was later attacked by Donald Trump. Now embattled Scott Pruitt, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, has been confronted by an angry teacher and mother who urged the under-fire official to resign before he's forced out. A video posted on Facebook shows Kristin Mink calling out a silent Pruitt at lunch Monday, telling him: “We deserve to have somebody at the EPA who actually does protect our environment, somebody who believes in climate change and takes it seriously for the benefit of all of us, including our children. I would urge you to resign before your scandals push you out.” Mink later told HuffPost: “He had no defense. He had no explanation. He had no apology. He had nothing to say. When you are a government official... you are supposed to be directly working for the citizens that you’re serving. He’s a public servant. When you’re in that position, you should want to hear from the people who you are supposed to be taking care of.”[/quote]

Your a Republican but read the Daily Beast. lol...ok

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196168]so in your world view, +/- 43% of US citizens do not care about the future of the country?[/quote]



LOL, just not anyone that supports trump, 43% do not support trump .Just becuase people voted trump doesn't mean they support trump. Hell with the turnover in the WH staff not even his own employees support trump.

You can not support trump and care about the future of America,it's just not possible.

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[quote=Giantone;1196170]LOL, just not anyone that supports trump, 43% do not support trump .[B]Just becuase people voted trump doesn't mean they support trump[/B]. Hell with the turnover in the WH staff not even his own employees support trump.

You can not support trump and care about the future of America,it's just not possible.[/quote]

are you just trolling the board (or me cuz I can't get over the ignorance of your statement)?

I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT TRUMP, and I ABSOLUTELY CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED STATES. To claim those are mutually exclusive is to call me directly a liar, and I'm not. You need to back off of your statement.

Maybe, if you open your perspective, you may learn a thing or two. From our past discussions I doubt you wil , but in this case particularly, you are making a claim of my foundational beliefs that is completely false. It's not a question of opinion, or some false news somewhere. You are blatantly wrong, and refuse to acknowledge any level of comprehension of that fact.

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[url]http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395375-poll-majority-says-trump-has-emboldened-racists[/url]

Not winning with this

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196171]are you just trolling the board (or me cuz I can't get over the ignorance of your statement)?

I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT TRUMP, and I ABSOLUTELY CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED STATES. To claim those are mutually exclusive is to call me directly a liar, and I'm not. You need to back off of your statement.

Maybe, if you open your perspective, you may learn a thing or two. From our past discussions I doubt you wil , but in this case particularly, you are making a claim of my foundational beliefs that is completely false. It's not a question of opinion, or some false news somewhere. You are blatantly wrong, and refuse to acknowledge any level of comprehension of that fact.[/quote]

You are entitled to your opinion ,no matter how wrong it is. Cred I realize you are of "genius level individual" and that puts you miles above me academically I understand this but in no way does it equate to your personal feelings are right and mine are wrong .People that care about America and care about what happens to it's citizens and care about the great history of this country and what this country stands for just not here but around the World can not support trump,it's is not possible.Something you need to think about considering the holiday we are about to celebrate.

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[quote=Giantone;1196173]You are entitled to your opinion ,no matter how wrong it is. Cred I realize you are of "genius level individual" and that puts you miles above me academically I understand this but in no way does it equate to your personal feelings are right and mine are wrong .People that care about America and care about what happens to it's citizens and care about the great history of this country and what this country stands for just not here but around the World can not support trump,it's is not possible.Something you need to think about considering the holiday we are about to celebrate.[/quote]

The holiday we are celebrating is the f***ing 4th of July. Which is when the founding fathers threw off governmental oppression!!! All you want to do is add more governmental regulations and oversight to this country. I may not be a genius level individual but I don't say anyone doesn't care about this country, without actually knowing them. I fricking went in the military for this country the same week we started the air campaign in Iraq in the 90's. I F***ing would die to keep this country safe. DONT FUC**NG TELL ME I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY OR ITS HISTORY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN F***ING UNDERSTAND WHAT TYRANNY REALLY IS.

Something you need to think about considering the holiday we are about to celebrate

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196174]The holiday we are celebrating is the f***ing 4th of July. Which is when the founding fathers threw off governmental oppression!!! All you want to do is add more governmental regulations and oversight to this country. I may not be a genius level individual but I don't say anyone doesn't care about this country, without actually knowing them. I fricking went in the military for this country the same week we started the air campaign in Iraq in the 90's. I F***ing would die to keep this country safe. DONT FUC**NG TELL ME I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY OR ITS HISTORY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN F***ING UNDERSTAND WHAT TYRANNY REALLY IS.

Something you need to think about considering the holiday we are about to celebrate[/quote]

Thank you for your service,sincerely! Yet you are proving my point .If you are telling the truth and I have no reason to doubt you then you do not support trump .Intelligent people who understand the World and understand this country know that trump and his minions are bad for it. Again it's what is good for trump and his cult ,fuck the country.

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Well this is a surprise...................



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/rebuke-trump-key-senate-panel-endorses-finding-russia-attacked-2016-election-210143332.html[/url]



In rebuke to Trump, key Senate panel endorses finding that Russia attacked 2016 election

WASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee, rejecting doubts conveyed by President Trump as recently as last week, has become the latest body to officially conclude that the Russian government conducted a wide-ranging campaign — including cyberattacks — to influence the 2016 presidential election.

An unclassified seven-page report, released by the committee Tuesday with full bipartisan support, was based on an extensive, year-and-a-half-long investigation into the U.S. intelligence community’s January 2017 assessment that the Kremlin carried out its campaign in part for the purpose of promoting Trump’s candidacy and discrediting Hillary Clinton.



.............and on a side note to that,


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/70a9e70d-c814-31ba-8707-6a4f0aaf24ba/ss_3-trump-associates-have-now.html[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1196177]Thank you for your service,sincerely! Yet you are proving my point .If you are telling the truth and I have no reason to doubt you then you do not support trump .Intelligent people who understand the World and understand this country know that trump and his minions are bad for it. Again it's what is good for trump and his cult ,fuck the country.[/quote]

I do support Trump, Trump's agenda, Trump's direction for this country, Trump's reduction in regulations, Trump's economic plan, Trump's border wall, Trump as commander in chief, Trump against the media, Trump's upcoming SC pick.
If you think I don't then you are blind. AND Despite all that, I would never say F the country. You are just wrong, and I need to just let you be set in your zombified way. Run along puppet.

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And still it's a bunch of hot air about Russia. Vladimir Putin, head of KGB, has been working to influence US elections since Walter Mondale sucked up to the Russians.
I give a rat's ass if Trump talked or didn't talk to them. If Putin thought Trump was going to win, he would have focused more efforts to help HRC. That's just what enemy countries do.

The dems and libs are going to have a meltdown when the republicans win bigly this election, and Trump appoints a 3rd constitutional justice making the balance 6 to 3.

It would be funny if it weren't depressing to here them scream russia russia russia like little girls.

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Is it a good thing to have a SC stacked in either direction? To me that idea is a little scary.

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[quote=MTK;1196181]Is it a good thing to have a SC stacked in either direction? To me that idea is a little scary.[/quote]

This...

But also remember swing votes in the supreme court ..which recently departed Kennedy had been label...historically have been described as conservatives. O’Conner, Kennedy, Stewart, etc.
And I think many would agree since the 60s the court has removed a lot of barriers and made “progress”.

So the fear mongering and hyperbole is ridiculous...typical media sensationalism that some eat up.

We are gonna be fine and don’t expect major role back of legislation. Sure, you could see nuances with some state laws...but folks need to the pump the brakes on repeating some of this garbage being thrown around.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196179]I do support Trump, Trump's agenda, Trump's direction for this country, Trump's reduction in regulations, Trump's economic plan, Trump's border wall, Trump as commander in chief, Trump against the media, Trump's upcoming SC pick.
If you think I don't then you are blind. AND Despite all that, I would never say F the country. You are just wrong, and I need to just let you be set in your zombified way. Run along puppet.[/quote]

LOL, reread your post and seriously think about who the puppet is.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196180]And still it's a bunch of hot air about Russia. Vladimir Putin, head of KGB, has been working to influence US elections since Walter Mondale sucked up to the Russians.
I give a rat's ass if Trump talked or didn't talk to them. If Putin thought Trump was going to win, he would have focused more efforts to help HRC. That's just what enemy countries do.

The dems and libs are going to have a meltdown when the republicans win bigly this election, and Trump appoints a 3rd constitutional justice making the balance 6 to 3.

It would be funny if it weren't depressing to here them scream russia russia russia like little girls.[/quote]

LOL, the blind cult members still refuse to acknowledge that the putin puppet was elected.

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[quote=MTK;1196181]Is it a good thing to have a SC stacked in either direction? To me that idea is a little scary.[/quote]

It's beyond scary,it's dangerous.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1196182]This...



But also remember swing votes in the supreme court ..which recently departed Kennedy had been label...historically have been described as conservatives. O’Conner, Kennedy, Stewart, etc.

And I think many would agree since the 60s the court has removed a lot of barriers and made “progress”.



So the fear mongering and hyperbole is ridiculous...typical media sensationalism that some eat up.



We are gonna be fine and don’t expect major role back of legislation. Sure, you could see nuances with some state laws...but folks need to the pump the brakes on repeating some of this garbage being thrown around.[/QUOTE]



Trump himself did not back down from the idea of Roe v Wade being rolled back, what else are we supposed to think? Is he spreading his own fake news?

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[quote=MTK;1196186]Trump himself did not back down from the idea of Roe v Wade being rolled back, what else are we supposed to think? Is he spreading his own fake news?[/quote]

He is appeasing the religious right...they have to get a bone too. It’s talk to say “hey I tried”... But roe v wade is woven in...ain’t getting rolled back. I could definitely see some challengings with some state laws.

“Hey I tried” ...blame it on so and so...these are typical pages from the playbook..

We good

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[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/national-debt-at-highest-level-since-after-wwii/[/url]

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Its not a puppet when you can discuss with rational thought. This is a thing you dont even try to do. You simply dismiss non like minded people as cultists, which is a very offensive term.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196185]It's beyond scary,it's dangerous.[/QUOTE]Move to Canada or Mexico.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196188][url]https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/national-debt-at-highest-level-since-after-wwii/[/url][/QUOTE]This is going to be a huge problem. Maybe the republican congress should stop spending so much money.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196189]Its not a puppet when you can discuss with rational thought. This is a thing you dont even try to do. You simply dismiss non like minded people as cultists, which is a very offensive term.[/quote]

Here we go, I dismiss? No,no more than you do. That is what is so hard for you to understand you are exactly what it is you disdain and you just can't see it.To me when you follow blindly like the trump cult does thee is no other word for it but puppet,you know like trump is for putin. To you a rational thought is anyone that agrees with you yet your post's prove other wise.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196192]Here we go, I dismiss? No,no more than you do. That is what is so hard for you to understand you are exactly what it is you disdain and you just can't see it.To me when you follow blindly like the trump cult does thee is no other word for it but puppet,you know like trump is for putin. To you a rational thought is anyone that agrees with you yet your post's prove other wise.[/QUOTE]

I really prefer not to dismiss you, in fact i asked you to offer proof of your claim, but you dont even try. So we end up speaking past each other at this point, and at this point there is no need to really continue the divergence.

I have posted links about critical thinking skills because of conversations similar to this with you before. I found it to be one of the best college classes i ever took and recommend similar studies to everyone.

A good discussion doesnt mean we all agree in fact its better if we disagree and discuss points and counterpoints, looking at and actually debating the issues and their merits.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196180]And still it's a bunch of hot air about Russia. Vladimir Putin, head of KGB, has been working to influence US elections since Walter Mondale sucked up to the Russians.
I give a rat's ass if Trump talked or didn't talk to them. If Putin thought Trump was going to win, he would have focused more efforts to help HRC. That's just what enemy countries do.

The dems and libs are going to have a meltdown when the republicans win bigly this election, and Trump appoints a 3rd constitutional justice making the balance 6 to 3.

It would be funny if it weren't depressing to here them scream russia russia russia like little girls.[/quote]

I really can't believe you're still stuck on Putin's trying to influence the election. That's old news now. Everybody not named Trump or House Republicans agree he did.

Bear with me for a moment because I know this is nothing more than a mere concept to us non-Mueller investigators. But what if the real concern isn't Putin doing whatever he can to get Trump elected, but Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank coming from illegal money laundering out of Russia? What if Trump owed Russian oligarchs connected to Putin money? You don't think owing debt to any Putin-connected Russian would be a serious conflict of interest as POTUS?

Seriously, ignore my theory if you must as I have nothing to back it up, but it's just starting to sound like you're tired of hearing Russia mentioned so you couldn't care less what they do, or who they did it with, or if there's any actual legit crimes there. Have you started thinking up an excuse for if/when Mueller completes the investigation and makes his recommendation to Congress? If you've ever watched any of those reality crime shows, it's a classic technique. Start at the bottom and keep flipping guys until you reach the guy at the top. Cohen is next. And as Trump's fixer, there really aren't that many guys left to flip.