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[quote=Dan73;1189608]If a player hurts his team with his contract and demands more because someone else got paid it is greed.

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You can stop worrying then. A NFL GM isn't going to sign kirk to a contract they think will hurt their team.

Problem solved! Now we can all relax.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189608]If a player hurts his team with his contract and demands more because someone else got paid it is greed.

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Is Jimmy G greedy? Is he hurting the 49ers? Why is Kirk going to hurt his team but not these other guys?

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1189609]You can stop worrying then. A NFL GM isn't going to sign kirk to a contract they think will hurt their team.



Problem solved! Now we can all relax.[/QUOTE]


Exactly.

The beauty of free agency is the market will set his value. Someone will pay him because they want him to be their QB and are ok with paying his price, not because he’s holding a team hostage with a ridiculous demand.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189612]Is Jimmy G greedy? Is he hurting the 49ers? Why is Kirk going to hurt his team but not these other guys?[/QUOTE]Did his team mates wonder if he wanted to be there?

If Jiimy G does not elevate his team and plays less than top 5 while not working with team in the future yes.

But just reading how is contract is structured he can be cut with little dead money after 2020.

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[quote=Dan73;1189615]Did his team mates wonder if he wanted to be there?

If Jiimy G does not elevate his team and plays less than top 5 while not working with team in the future yes.

But just reading how is contract is structured he can be cut with little dead money after 2020.

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Are you trolling?

I feel like I got got.

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[quote=Dan73;1189599]No he is greedy because he doesn't care about the team just himself and the money.

Brown wanting top 3 money is a bit much. He may get it from Miami.

How one conducts themselves and their business shows if they are what they claim to be.

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BULL SHIT!!!! KC wanting more money is looking out for his family and like it or not it is the way business is done in the NFL.You have no point at all you hate KC .You know nothing, you might look up an article here or there but it's hearsay at best you post like you actually know and fact is you don't.
Here I am a Giant Fan defending a Redskin QB becuase he deserves what he has earned and becuase talking football is one thing but all out hatred for a man and that is what you post .....is wrong and for you to question anyone about being Christian becuase he is doing business in his profession the way everyone does is major BS! As I have stated before I believe the Skins have screwed KC over a few times,I like him ,why , becuase all the shit of sitting behind RGIII and being a team player and then proving himself to be an NFL QB only to have the Skins not resign his top receivers add in a all pro TE who is injury prone and all he does is play not bitch but play. How do the top brass repay him ..with a long term deal (which was what he wanted)for less money had they done it,NO,they tag him twice. And he hasn't complained day one and KC business ethics are and should be unquestioned he has earned that. Union men don't question a man's faith .


Sorry , rant over.

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I see the insidious Kirk Cousins drama has now spilled over into the ALEX SMITH THREAD. Is there no thread safe from it? It's like the old horror movie, [I]The Blob[/I], where this viscous monster from outer space was able to flow under doors and through cracks to envelop and devour its victims. There is no escape!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189619]I see the insidious Kirk Cousins drama has now spilled over into the ALEX SMITH THREAD. Is there no thread safe from it? It's like the old horror movie, [I]The Blob[/I], where this viscous monster from outer space was able to flow under doors and through cracks to envelop and devour its victims. There is no escape![/quote]





My apologies, anyone want a samich?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189617]BULL SHIT!!!! KC wanting more money is looking out for his family and like it or not it is the way business is done in the NFL.You have no point at all you hate KC .You know nothing, you might look up an article here or there but it's hearsay at best you post like you actually know and fact is you don't.
Here I am a Giant Fan defending a Redskin QB becuase he deserves what he has earned and becuase talking football is one thing but all out hatred for a man and that is what you post .....is wrong and for you to question anyone about being Christian becuase he is doing business in his profession the way everyone does is major BS! As I have stated before I believe the Skins have screwed KC over a few times,I like him ,why , becuase all the shit of sitting behind RGIII and being a team player and then proving himself to be an NFL QB only to have the Skins not resign his top receivers add in a all pro TE who is injury prone and all he does is play not bitch but play. How do the top brass repay him ..with a long term deal (which was what he wanted)for less money had they done it,NO,they tag him twice. And he hasn't complained day one and KC business ethics are and should be unquestioned he has earned that. Union men don't question a man's faith .


Sorry , rant over.[/QUOTE]He was offered good money.

If I was a fan of a team in the NFC East I would want the Skins to keep Cousins.

Union status has no bearing on the ability to judge a tree by its fruit.

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Check out @Cianaf’s Tweet: [url]https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/970120371818123264?s=09[/url]

Interesting stat.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189592]Being union does not mean being unrealistic.

I don't I just have no respect for him.

The same as I have no respect for guys in my union who want raises at the expense of other workers.

The other thing he and his agent can go on about being Christian but greed is not a Christian quality.

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Now we are questioning his faith? [emoji23]


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189619]I see the insidious Kirk Cousins drama has now spilled over into the ALEX SMITH THREAD. Is there no thread safe from it? It's like the old horror movie, [I]The Blob[/I], where this viscous monster from outer space was able to flow under doors and through cracks to envelop and devour its victims. There is no escape![/quote]

I have nightmares where I log in here and the logo no longer reads "The Warpath" but "Kirk Drama".
Then I wake up and my wife tells me "Did you sleep well? ... I still can't believe Kirk wants to be paid 30M/y !!!" ...
Then I scream and jump out the window, and when I get to St Pierre he's like "How could you take your own life for that? You had a great life... Gosh that's almost as stupid as the Skins' FO messing Kirk's contract situation! You're going to Hell" ...

You've guessed what's waiting for me there...

Glad I finally woke up for real and we can talk Redskins related things instead of our former QB... Oh wait ...

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[quote=punch it in;1189626]Now we are questioning his faith? [emoji23]


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yeah,that set me off , sorry.

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[quote=Giantone;1189629]yeah,that set me off , sorry.[/quote]

You did nothing wrong. Questioning Kirk's faith was a low blow.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1189626]Now we are questioning his faith? [emoji23]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro[/QUOTE]I am sure he is as Christian as another Liberty university speaker, Donald Trump.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1189630]You did nothing wrong. Questioning Kirk's faith was a low blow.[/QUOTE]No it is not considering he invoked God when talking about decisions on playing on franchise tags.

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[quote=Dan73;1189643]No it is not considering he invoked God when talking about decisions on playing on franchise tags.

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I don't think he's leaving the decision solely up to God, but I have seen no evidence he is using the religion card for personal gain.

You do realize he's not the one negotiating with teams right? He just tells his agent what he's looking for, and his agent does the work. You're kidding yourself if you don't think his agent is trying to maximize his value, that's how they get paid.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1189644]I don't think he's leaving the decision solely up to God, but I have seen no evidence he is using the religion card for personal gain.

You do realize he's not the one negotiating with teams right? He just tells his agent what he's looking for, and his agent does the work. You're kidding yourself if you don't think his agent is trying to maximize his value, that's how they get paid.[/QUOTE]You mean this guy.

Mike McCartney@MikeMcCartney7

Christ-follower who loves his wife, 4 children & football. Former #NFL Pro Scouting Director blessed to rep great people. All opinions strictly my own.

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[quote=Dan73;1189645]You mean this guy.

Mike McCartney@MikeMcCartney7

Christ-follower who loves his wife, 4 children & football. Former #NFL Pro Scouting Director blessed to rep great people. All opinions strictly my own.

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Yes. I also mean this guy:

[url=http://www.prioritysports.biz/staff/mike-mccartney]Mike McCartney | Priority Sports & Entertainment | www.prioritysports.biz | Chicago . Los Angeles . Sports Agency[/url]

Being a Christian doesn't mean being humble and pious in the sports agent world. He wouldn't have any clients if he advised them to take less to prove their faith. At this point you're just being ridiculous.

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Haters are truly going to hate

I can’t wait to see Dan73’s head explode when Kirk cashes in lol

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[QUOTE=mooby;1189648]Yes. I also mean this guy:

[url=http://www.prioritysports.biz/staff/mike-mccartney]Mike McCartney | Priority Sports & Entertainment | www.prioritysports.biz | Chicago . Los Angeles . Sports Agency[/url]

Being a Christian doesn't mean being humble and pious in the sports agent world. He wouldn't have any clients if he advised them to take less to prove their faith. At this point you're just being ridiculous.[/QUOTE]I understand for many it is a marketing ploy, to be used in business or politics. Doesn't mean it is biblical.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1189623]Check out @Cianaf’s Tweet: [url]https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/970120371818123264?s=09[/url]

Interesting stat.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Makes wonder how Pyror would fair with Smith.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189649]Haters are truly going to hate

I can’t wait to see Dan73’s head explode when Kirk cashes in lol[/QUOTE]Nope he will be some other teams Haynesworth.

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[quote=Dan73;1189652]Nope he will be some other teams Haynesworth.

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So you're comparing Kirk Cousins to Albert Haynesworth ?

Someone call 911 this fool has overdose on kool/aid !

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189652]Nope he will be some other teams Haynesworth.

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You’re ridiculous

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[quote=WillH;1189623]Check out @Cianaf’s Tweet: [url]https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/970120371818123264?s=09[/url]

Interesting stat.

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This is really interesting data! I'm curious to see what Garcon and DJax's stats with Cousins are.. Alex Smith trade is looking better as time goes by; I look forward to see what Jay and Alex will do this fall.

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[quote=GridIron26;1189656]This is really interesting data! I'm curious to see what Garcon and DJax's stats with Cousins are.. Alex Smith trade is looking better as time goes by; I look forward to see what Jay and Alex will do this fall.[/quote]

How is this stat worthwhile? IMO, it has nothing to do with Kirk's accuracy and everything to do with Doctson's incompetence and softness as a WR. Doctson didn't have a clue on how to run a pass route - any pass route. Also, he was so easily jammed at the LOS that the timing of plays was often immediately thrown off. We all saw Doctson play week after week so I don't know why we should let some stats geek turn this indicator of Doctson's poor play as a WR into a criticism of KC as a QB.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1189658]How is this stat worthwhile? IMO, it has nothing to do with Kirk's accuracy and everything to do with Doctson's incompetence and softness as a WR. Doctson didn't have a clue on how to run a pass route - any pass route. Also, he was so easily jammed at the LOS that the timing of plays was often immediately thrown off. We all saw Doctson play week after week so I don't know why we should let some stats geek turn this indicator of Doctson's poor play as a WR into a criticism of KC as a QB.[/QUOTE]Especially with how many perfectly thrown balls he dropped!

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1189658]How is this stat worthwhile? IMO, it has nothing to do with Kirk's accuracy and everything to do with Doctson's incompetence and softness as a WR. Doctson didn't have a clue on how to run a pass route - any pass route. Also, he was so easily jammed at the LOS that the timing of plays was often immediately thrown off. We all saw Doctson play week after week so I don't know why we should let some stats geek turn this indicator of Doctson's poor play as a WR into a criticism of KC as a QB.[/QUOTE]There was a well respected scouting guy a couple weeks ago saying something similar (I'll have to find it and repost it), that what he saw on tape was that Alex Smith is better at hitting his receivers in stride and throwing them open, which suggests that Cousins was pled effective at this skill. This stat would seem to reflect his breakdown of film. It's something worth considering.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1189661]There was a well respected scouting guy a couple weeks ago saying something similar (I'll have to find it and repost it), that what he saw on tape was that Alex Smith is better at hitting his receivers in stride and throwing them open, which suggests that Cousins was pled effective at this skill. This stat would seem to reflect his breakdown of film. It's something worth considering.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]This:

Check out @BR_DougFarrar’s Tweet: [url]https://twitter.com/BR_DougFarrar/status/964677419503312897?s=09[/url]

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I hope Smith is an upgrade.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189658]How is this stat worthwhile? IMO, it has nothing to do with Kirk's accuracy and everything to do with Doctson's incompetence and softness as a WR. Doctson didn't have a clue on how to run a pass route - any pass route. Also, he was so easily jammed at the LOS that the timing of plays was often immediately thrown off. We all saw Doctson play week after week so I don't know why we should let some stats geek turn this indicator of Doctson's poor play as a WR into a criticism of KC as a QB.[/quote]


Look at comments after the first statement; Kirk didn't do well with Ryan Grant and Crowder too. I noticed Kirk wasn't accurate at all times during games but I didn't realize how frequently it happened until just now. This is not to bash Kirk's game, I hoped we would find a way to sign Kirk to a long term contract but it didn't work out the way most of us hoped. Now with how this whole situation is unfolding, I'm starting to be happy with how Redskins FO are trying to make best out of this difficult situation. We all know Kirk will be highest paid QB and people will expect Kirk to do more than what people expect from game manager because of the contract he will get. I do not want Redskins to spend that kind of money on a QB who is game manager and cannot throw accurate balls all times.

And this is coming from a person who works as quality improvement - collect and analyze data.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1189666]Look at comments after the first statement; Kirk didn't do well with Ryan Grant and Crowder too. I noticed Kirk wasn't accurate at all times during games but I didn't realize how frequently it happened until just now. This is not to bash Kirk's game, I hoped we would find a way to sign Kirk to a long term contract but it didn't work out the way most of us hoped. Now with how this whole situation is unfolding, I'm starting to be happy with how Redskins FO are trying to make best out of this difficult situation. We all know Kirk will be highest paid QB and people will expect Kirk to do more than what people expect from game manager because of the contract he will get. I do not want Redskins to spend that kind of money on a QB who is game manager and cannot throw accurate balls all times.

And this is coming from a person who works as quality improvement - collect and analyze data.[/QUOTE]If he does get highest paid it will be for a short time only. Aaron Rodgers apparently is waiting to see what Cousins gets before doing his contract.

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Who is this Kirk Cousins guy everyone is talking about?

Alex Smith is our QB and we're winning 10+ games this year.

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I think Rodgers is waiting on Brees and Cousins, and rightly so -- with 2 years left on his deal and both sides agreeing on his importance, it is reasonable to see the market.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1189669]I think Rodgers is waiting on Brees and Cousins, and rightly so -- with 2 years left on his deal and both sides agreeing on his importance, it is reasonable to see the market.[/QUOTE]I like Rodgers and think is the best and takes his team to a higher level. But I still believe no one player should cripple a team with their contact.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189671]I like Rodgers and think is the best and takes his team to a higher level. But I still believe no one player should cripple a team with their contact.

Sent from my SM-G955W using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Unless the cap takes a serious dive in the next two years 30M won't cripple a team like Flaccos deal did and is right for an Elite QB.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1189673]Unless the cap takes a serious dive in the next two years 30M won't cripple a team like Flaccos deal did and is right for an Elite QB.[/QUOTE]2 things one there was a rumour he may get a 200 million dollar contract.

Which if 6 or 7 years would be around 30 million.

The other thing that we have to remember is the money they get comes from us.

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[quote=Dan73;1189675]2 things one there was a rumour he may get a 200 million dollar contract.

Which if 6 or 7 years would be around 30 million.

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I also heard that rumor, they also said he will only sign if they get him a jumbo 747 complete with 200 hoes and a bar where every shelf is top shelf.

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The other thing that we have to remember is the money they get comes from us.

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You need to expand on this a bit, don't think I'm following here.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1189675]2 things one there was a rumour he may get a 200 million dollar contract.

Which if 6 or 7 years would be around 30 million.

The other thing that we have to remember is the money they get comes from us.

Sent from my SM-G955W using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]The money comes from tv contracts, stadium naming deals, and finally ticket sales. The money is from us fans only in a tertiary way at best and if the players didnt get their slotted share it would go back in the owners pockets, not ours.

Rodgers, for what he brings to his team is certainly worth 14% of a team's cap, in today's market.

Cousins is not, though some team may risk it with him, I am glad it won't be the Skins.