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If nothing happens by next friday , a trade will most likely not happen IMO. You rarely see deals being made this late

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John McClain of the Houston Chronicle was on SiriusXM NFL Radio, saying the Texans won’t give up a 1 or 2 for Trent.

So that most likely rules them out, unless they are wanting a Clowney swap.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1226999]He's very good. I'm not debating that. However, trading for him implies you plan to sign him to a long term contract. Doubt we could do that AND have enough $ leftover to resign guys like Scherff, Kerrigan... You also get no draft capital to shore up the O line next year.



Yeah, no thanks.



I don't know if it's "better" to have a stand off, as you call it, but you can't just give in either. TW either comes back to play, or you wait for the deal you can't refuse.[/QUOTE]



I have no idea if we can afford Clowney Scherrff and RK - seems other teams afford much more talent than that but BA probably put us in some jerkoff position where we cannot. If we can than id be happy with that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1227007]Exactly. The Redskins hold the cards. To stay away, Trent would have to be willing to give up $617K per week, or $11M per season. And teams will be most willing to make a deal between the week 3 preseason games and Week 1.

Gotta just sit tight.[/quote]

Agreed.

If the FO plays it right they're in a position of strength:

"Hey TW, you're not that young, sure you wanna sit out 2 years ? Lose all that money and do what it takes to stay in good shape for free hoping to get a huge contract somewhere when you come back ? ... Oh? You want to be traded ? Well, you better pray an injury puts a team in a desperate position and tell your agent to get on his phone and try to find a good offer for us because we're not trading you for an F you sandwich pal..."

...

Team(s) call(s) to trade for TW:

"Skins FO on the line... Oh, TW? Yeah that'll be a 1st, a 3rd and a 5th. What's that? Too expensive? Well have a nice day Sir, him sitting out doesn't cost us a dime so we can wait for you to come with a better offer".

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You gotta remember that Trent would need to show up at some point to get credit for the year, this was week 10 for Leveon bell last year so I assume the same.

Also, Trent is losing a lot of money but the Redskins don't get to use the money allocated to him on the Salary Cap. Is it worth taking a 23M cap loss for a player that isn't going to participate?

Ultimately I don't think they will move him before week 1.
Our new head coach next year with smooth things over and he will be back.

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[quote=jamf;1227021]You gotta remember that Trent would need to show up at some point to get credit for the year, this was week 10 for Leveon bell last year so I assume the same.

Also, Trent is losing a lot of money but the Redskins don't get to use the money allocated to him on the Salary Cap. Is it worth taking a 23M cap loss for a player that isn't going to participate?

Ultimately I don't think they will move him before week 1.
Our new head coach next year with smooth things over and he will be back.[/quote]

You lose $23M of useful cap space, but you save $23M in cash. That's not a football consideration but it's a big business consideration.

I think Trent caves by week 1. It's too much money to leave on the table.

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[quote=Schneed10;1227022]You lose $23M of useful cap space, but you save $23M in cash. That's not a football consideration but it's a big business consideration.

I think Trent caves by week 1. It's too much money to leave on the table.[/quote]

If Trent sits out, wouldn't the salary cap be released and pushed forward to next year?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1227023]If Trent sits out, wouldn't the salary cap be released and pushed forward to next year?[/quote]

I don't know the details of it, but I remember Andrew Brandt saying how last year, in terms of finances, L. Bell did not hurt the Steelers at all and all that money they didn't pay him went back to the team.

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It shouldn't hurt the team , The league should have it set up as if the team just didn't spend that $ for the season. You would think anyway

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If the money does go back onto the salary cap, TW sitting out would nearly solve the AS cap issue next year. Dang 2 birds with one stone!!!

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I don't think Trent is on the team by week 1. Following the 3rd pre-season game, I think teams are going to start making us offers we can't refuse.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1227031]I don't think Trent is on the team by week 1. Following the 3rd pre-season game, I think teams are going to start making us offers we can't refuse.[/quote]

you are probably right, although we could wait a little longer if there is a bidding war.

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Speculation that as Clowney and the Texans aren't talking about signing, that he's likely up for trade. Clowney for Williams, much as I hate to see him go, could be a good deal. Texans need an LT, and Clowney could only enhance our front 7. Don't want to see Williams go but I think its a good trade if its on the table.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1227035]Speculation that as Clowney and the Texans aren't talking about signing, that he's likely up for trade. Clowney for Williams, much as I hate to see him go, could be a good deal. Texans need an LT, and Clowney could only enhance our front 7. Don't want to see Williams go but I think its a good trade if its on the table.[/quote]

Id rather have a first round draft pick. Not knocking Clowney at all, but he plays at one of the few positions on the team that is already a position of strength, will want a huge contract, and i'd rather use the money to extend Scherff and Kerrigan. With a first round pick, we could draft Trents successor or some other area of greater need.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1227036]Id rather have a first round draft pick. Not knocking Clowney at all, but he plays at one of the few positions on the team that is already a position of strength, will want a huge contract, and i'd rather use the money to extend Scherff and Kerrigan. With a first round pick, we could draft Trents successor or some other area of greater need.[/quote]Totally agree. Clowney is also in a contract year. 1st rounder minimum or no deal.

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As I understand it, Clowney didn't reach a contract by the July deadline so even if they they swapped him for TW they would not be able to sign him long term until next off season, which would mean another franchise tag in all likelihood. Would basically be a 1 year rental with a 3rd compensatory pick at the end of it as the likely outcome

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1227118]As I understand it, Clowney didn't reach a contract by the July deadline so even if they they swapped him for TW they would not be able to sign him long term until next off season, which would mean another franchise tag in all likelihood. Would basically be a 1 year rental with a 3rd compensatory pick at the end of it as the likely outcome[/quote]Exactly. Would be a 1 year rental with a chance to sign at a long term deal. With talent already at the position no way.

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I still think Trent comes back.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1227121]I still think Trent comes back.[/quote]Why? It's been stated multiple times it's not about the money. I think he's serious about the medical staff and he doesn't trust the team. Too much smoke with the staff and TW, McCoy, Cravens etc.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1227121]I still think Trent comes back.[/QUOTE]On the preshows JPFindlay all but said he is gone. Said he should have a story with multiple sources that will give more details about the whole situation.

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If so then lets hope we can get a good player or pick for him. Still would love Clowney or Diggs

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1227136]If so then lets hope we can get a good player or pick for him. Still would love Clowney or Diggs[/quote]

Diggs would be a welcome addition to the team, would have to re sign him too though.

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This Colt McCoy story makes me support Trent a bit more on all this. This fucking franchise just doesn't get it. How the fuck do you rush back a broken leg? You can't will a bone to heal! You wait the required time and don't play until its 100% healed. Sending him out there is fucking terrible.

This franchise needs a complete reset from the owner on down.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1227143]This Colt McCoy story makes me support Trent a bit more on all this. This fucking franchise just doesn't get it. How the fuck do you rush back a broken leg? You can't will a bone to heal! You wait the required time and don't play until its 100% healed. Sending him out there is fucking terrible.

This franchise needs a complete reset from the owner on down.[/quote]

Yes it does, its a damn shame

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1227144]Yes it does, its a damn shame[/quote]

This franchise just oozes unprofessionalism.

They need to be like George Constanza and try doing the exact opposite of what they've been doing.

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I guess i don't blame Trent for wanting out, sucks to have your best player for a decade just hate u

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So we are not putting any responsibility on Colt on wanting to come back too soon? We know how players lie in concussion exams to get back on the field. I just see Colt and Trent's situation completely different.

Also, if the medical team was so terrible, shouldn't Alex Smith or other injured players be disgruntled with the team? Also, as I've said before, wouldn't the NFLPA be already involved?

I just feel that a lot of people seem misinformed about the medical issues. Everyone keeps bringing up Guice and him having an infection, yet he talked with JP Findlay and said that they did a preventive treatment to avoid an infection.

To me the more frustrating part from the team about the medical stuff is the lack of communication (which JP Findlay said in his podcast today).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1227152][B]So we are not putting any responsibility on Colt on wanting to come back too soon? [/B] We know how players lie in concussion exams to get back on the field. I just see Colt and Trent's situation completely different.

Also, if the medical team was so terrible, shouldn't Alex Smith or other injured players be disgruntled with the team? Also, as I've said before, wouldn't the NFLPA be already involved?

I just feel that a lot of people seem misinformed about the medical issues. Everyone keeps bringing up Guice and him having an infection, yet he talked with JP Findlay and said that they did a preventive treatment to avoid an infection.

To me the more frustrating part from the team about the medical stuff is the lack of communication (which JP Findlay said in his podcast today).[/quote]

Players aren't doctors. The onus is on the teams medical and coaching staffs to take care of their players health 1st and foremost. To me rushing a broken leg is brutal and completely unacceptable.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1227154]Players aren't doctors. The onus is on the teams medical and coaching staffs to take care of their players health 1st and foremost. To me rushing a broken leg is brutal and completely unacceptable.[/quote]

This stuff isn't an exact science. Everyone heals at different rates. How the player says theyre feeling plays a huge role.

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I don't see Colt out there bitchin about the training staff or the doctor's or anything else. Hes a competitor. He wanted to come back. Perhaps it was too soon but that's what competitors do. It happens all the time in the NFL with players coming back just a little bit too early from injuries. It's unfortunate, but I don't see his situation and Trent's situation even remotely similar. Hell, unless I missed something we don't even really know what the heck happened in Trent situation. He hasn't said a damn word. Perhaps it's a blessing in disguise anyway. This has given more opportunity for Haskins, which is exactly what he needs.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1227166]This stuff isn't an exact science. Everyone heals at different rates. How the player says theyre feeling plays a huge role.[/quote]

Great point. Counterpoint: I've never heard of a single player who came back from a broken leg in a month. I put the blame for Colt's current issues half on him and half on the team, because both were eager to see if he could come back in the event of a deep playoff run (it was 2 months from his leg to the Super Bowl, even that timeframe seems hella unrealistic).

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[url]https://twitter.com/hogshaven/status/1162459761398493184?s=21[/url]

Cooley is almost positive T.Will is not coming back. I agree skinsfaninok, it sucks to see a guy who at his current rate will be a HOFer totally turn on the team in the span of an offseason (reportedly because he thinks they didn't take a lump seriously when he also didn't take it seriously) but I'm focused on the positives here. If we trade him, due to his position and his status in the NFL we are likely to get a good return on him. He's also entering his 30's and has had a hard time staying healthy these last few years.

As compared to Doctson, another first rounder who seems likely to get dumped in roster cuts and who we won't see any compensation for after the fact. Thank you for your service T.Will, and if somehow Bruce manages to turn this pot of shit into a pot of gold that's a feather in his cap, which would bring his ratio of feathers-to-dog turds to about 5-50.

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Looking at the rumour mill and team needs, I see 3 scenarios:

1) They up the ante on contract talks and he re-signs. Unlikely given his stance on the FO and medical staff, but money does talk.
I'd also consider firing the heads of the medical and training staff; a) they don't seem that effective anyway and b) because they are far easier to replace than a HOF LT!
2) Talks are going on with teams under the radar and we're waiting out an improved offer. Pats offer a #1, but that's too little, so we wait on them upping the ante (unlikely given Belichik's history, but...), Texans offered Cloweny but he's not enough of a need and contract an issue (so maybe they throw in a pick?), Phins offer a #1 which is tempting but not quite enough. Someone makes a better offer within the next 2 weeks and we take it.
3) Team cuts off its nose to spite its face and TW holds out all season then they are forced to trade him with only 1y on his deal remaining.

Regardless of what they have said to date, they have to consider a trade if they can't get him back around the table on contract talks.

If they don't sort this out soon it's going to be a mess of a season and likely Gruden is gone by end by December (may not be a bad thing). To me, regardless of how it makes the FO look, they now have to trade TW to avoid a repeat of the Bell situation and a blown season. Getting a #1 pick or better now is far better than the Bell scenario in my view.

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I think if any team had offered a 1 TW would have been traded by now. Best we are getting is a 2 and late rounder

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1227191]I think if any team had offered a 1 TW would have been traded by now. Best we are getting is a 2 and late rounder

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I think someone will offer a 1 if we wait. A LT of Trent’s caliber is VERY hard to find. Almost as hard as a franchise QB.


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[quote=Ruhskins;1227152]So we are not putting any responsibility on Colt on wanting to come back too soon? We know how players lie in concussion exams to get back on the field. I just see Colt and Trent's situation completely different.

Also, if the medical team was so terrible, shouldn't Alex Smith or other injured players be disgruntled with the team? Also, as I've said before, wouldn't the NFLPA be already involved?

I just feel that a lot of people seem misinformed about the medical issues. Everyone keeps bringing up Guice and him having an infection, yet he talked with JP Findlay and said that they did a preventive treatment to avoid an infection.

To me the more frustrating part from the team about the medical stuff is the lack of communication (which JP Findlay said in his podcast today).[/quote]

Every situation is different. But in Colt's case it seems from the outside the Redskins are idiots. Colt's going to try and play. Period. If you remember when he broke his leg I believe he actually stayed in the game for a play or two. It is dumb as dumb gets to try and rush a player back on the field for some bogus playoff run when the QB's fibula is broken. Inexcusable. There wasn't an adult in the room to shut down the nonsense.

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1227192]I think someone will offer a 1 if we wait. A LT of Trent’s caliber is VERY hard to find. Almost as hard as a franchise QB.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Maybe but his injury history would be concerning to most teams even if our staff are the screwups of the league.

I would not be surprised if BA is so convinced he should get a 1 for TW that he is going to let other real good offers walk.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1227166]This stuff isn't an exact science. Everyone heals at different rates. How the player says theyre feeling plays a huge role.[/quote]

What?? It's very simple. Take X ray. Fibula is broken. Go to operating table. Done for the year. Am I missing something here?

Think about this. Those clowns wanted to rush back a career back up, injury prone, noodle armed QB who turns the ball over cause they thought he was going to put on a cape and take a 500 team to the playoffs?? Major sigh, smh.....

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Please stop blaming the medical and training staffs. All of this starts at the top of the organization where the tone is set. The problem is that Mr. Burns and Smithers don't care about other people.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1227166]This stuff isn't an exact science. Everyone heals at different rates. How the player says theyre feeling plays a huge role.[/quote]

Exactly, X-rays and MRIs don't tell the whole story, patient feedback is very important. If someone has a high tolerance to pain they can fool a doctor into believing they are doing better than they are.